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  1. 1. What round would you take Jaylon Smith?

    • Round 1 - players come back from bad knee injuries all the time
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    • Round 2 - maybe not worth a 1st but good value in Rd 2
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    • Round 3 - steal in round 3 for best player in draft
      45
    • Round 4 - you have 2 picks in the 4th so why not
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    • Round 4 - compensatory pick
      15
    • Round 5 - can't believe he's still on the board
      5
    • Round 6 - too good to be true
      7
    • Round 6 - compensatory pick
      5
    • Waste of a pick - not worth the risk
      4
    • UDFA
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But he has a loss of feeling. Your medical staff is taking a big leap. Nerves are very fickle. Round 2 seems insane to me.

You see a lot of guys with high ceilings and big question marks in round 2.

 

His downside is lower but anyone you pick comes with "never going to be a regular contributor" risk, especially after day 1 - and is it really that much better if you bust on a guy and he's a special teamer for a few years instead of in the medical room?

 

It's all about the med e v a l and you and I have no idea how rocky or clean it is really. Arguing he should be pick 41 are 76 based on medical is about as close to throwing darts blindfolded as it gets here.

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You see a lot of guys with high ceilings and big question marks in round 2.

 

His downside is lower but anyone you pick comes with "never going to be a regular contributor" risk, especially after day 1 - and is it really that much better if you bust on a guy and he's a special teamer for a few years instead of in the medical room?

 

It's all about the med e v a l and you and I have no idea how rocky or clean it is really. Arguing he should be pick 41 are 76 based on medical is about as close to throwing darts blindfolded as it gets here.

That's why I agree with the posters who said a more established front office will take the risk earlier than a team like us. They aren't going to get any blow back from it and they can prospect for gold with a late 2nd rounder. The rich get richer.

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Ask the 49ers how that Lattimore pick worked out.

I don't know them personally of course but something tells me Lattimore didn't have the heart and desire that Jaylon has. He was the leader of that defense and I think he has what it takes to overcome his injury. RB's are a dime a dozen in the NFL and you have to have the desire to make it even if you aren't injured and I don't think Lattimore had what it takes. He said himself that he didn't know why the 49ers picked a RB with 2 bad knee injuries. I'd take a chance on a high character guy like Jaylon Smith knowing that if he can't do it then nobody can

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That's why I agree with the posters who said a more established front office will take the risk earlier than a team like us. They aren't going to get any blow back from it and they can prospect for gold with a late 2nd rounder. The rich get richer.

Or they miss and get no richer

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I don't know them personally of course but something tells me Lattimore didn't have the heart and desire that Jaylon has. He was the leader of that defense and I think he has what it takes to overcome his injury. RB's are a dime a dozen in the NFL and you have to have the desire to make it even if you aren't injured and I don't think Lattimore had what it takes. He said himself that he didn't know why the 49ers picked a RB with 2 bad knee injuries. I'd take a chance on a high character guy like Jaylon Smith knowing that if he can't do it then nobody can

 

Just FYI--Marcus Lattimore was an all-world kid with great attitude who worked his rear end off...his knee didn't hold up, and that is the ONLY reason he never made it back.

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Or they miss and get no richer

Which happens with plenty of other 2nd round picks, being established affords them the opportunity to take an obvious swing and miss with the slim chance of Jaylon coming back to 100%. A perfect example is Kujo we are still hearing about his knees and the obvious red flags that were ignored, if/when Whaley falls flat that will be of mention for no reason other than its a low hanging fruit.

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I view him as a 2017 player. So, when you draft him this year you are trading that round's pick for a extra first round pick in 2017. I like round 3. If Smith regains his health, you basically have a top 10 2017 pick and our 32nd pick

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I honestly feel terror for him. A meaningless game has severely changed his life. He seems like a great kid and was a great football. I know it's not a charity but I would have zero problems with the Bills picking him in the 2nd or later if they believe he can recover.

 

And this is why no fan should ever have a problem with football players getting every cent they can. Their earning potential can end on one play.

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I honestly feel terror for him. A meaningless game has severely changed his life. He seems like a great kid and was a great football. I know it's not a charity but I would have zero problems with the Bills picking him in the 2nd or later if they believe he can recover.

 

And this is why no fan should ever have a problem with football players getting every cent they can. Their earning potential can end on one play.

He was smart and took out an insurance policy, I forget which pick he needs to drop to maximize it but I'm certain Jaylon will be hoping he falls to the third round.

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He was smart and took out an insurance policy, I forget which pick he needs to drop to maximize it but I'm certain Jaylon will be hoping he falls to the third round.

That's great to hear and I hope it works out for him. He seems like a kid who would rather be playing than getting money for nothing. I'd love to see him in a Bills uni. He seems like he would grateful and not a complete turd like McGahee.
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I honestly feel terror for him. A meaningless game has severely changed his life. He seems like a great kid and was a great football. I know it's not a charity but I would have zero problems with the Bills picking him in the 2nd or later if they believe he can recover.

 

And this is why no fan should ever have a problem with football players getting every cent they can. Their earning potential can end on one play.

 

Wait.

 

You're on record saying that the Bills shouldn't trade up for a linebacker like Jack, but you'd be ok with them using a 2nd round pick on a severely injured linebacker?

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That's great to hear and I hope it works out for him. He seems like a kid who would rather be playing than getting money for nothing. I'd love to see him in a Bills uni. He seems like he would grateful and not a complete turd like McGahee.

I want to say it was like the 74th pick or so? Don't quote me on that I've heard it multiple times but don't remember exactly. I'm sure I have seen it here too, hopefully someone with accurate info can chime in on it.

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The difference between McGahee and Smith's injuries is that the latter has resulted in nerve damage from which he can never recover. If he has "drop foot", as some have suggested, he'll never set foot on a football field as a player ever again. With McGahee, it was reconstructive knee surgery and damage to multiple ligaments, but without the nerve issue.

So you're saying it's not a good idea to take Smith high because of the risk. That take makes a lot of sense to me.

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Wait.

 

You're on record saying that the Bills shouldn't trade up for a linebacker like Jack, but you'd be ok with them using a 2nd round pick on a severely injured linebacker?

I'd obviously want to draft him in the 3rd or later. All of this is depended on the team doctors. They will have information no fan will have (unless Schefter tweets it). There is a good possibly the Bills might have declared him undraftable.

 

And I won't trade up for him either. :)

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As a huge ND fan I badly wanted the Bills to somehow get him in round 1 before he got hurt. He is as good as it gets.

 

I'd totally take him in the 3rd because even if he comes back at 80% he's easily worth a 3rd.

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Jay Skurski has Green Bay taking him with the 27th pick.

Well if Jay Skurski says it, book it!

 

And honestly, GB is trying to win now. They won't draft a player who can't help him this year IMO.

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