YoloinOhio Posted April 21, 2016 Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) This is really interesting http://buildingtheherd.com/commentary/2016-nfl-draft-analytics/ While we all know the difference between a speed and power rusher, we (NFL teams included) still havent been able to identify specific traits that hint at a prospects potential success or failure. As teams are slowly accepting the use of analytics into their team-building processes, weve begun to see some patterns rise among the select few teams that have strict baselines or thresholds for various measurables that a player at a specific position must possess to be considered. The Green Bay Packers wont take a cornerback shorter than 510 and the Seattle Seahawks wont select a corner that has arms shorter than 32. The Seahawks have even began utilizing NIKEs SPARQ metric, which measures an athletes overall athletic ability and quantifies it with a number generated from several athletic tests. SPARQ stands for Speed, Power, Agility, Reaction & Quickness and the team has found some hidden gems in the late rounds of recent drafts using this metric. Edited April 21, 2016 by YoloinOhio
ALF Posted April 21, 2016 Posted April 21, 2016 " With Ryan’s hiring, he looked to install his hybrid defensive scheme routed from 3-4 concepts that was designed to confuse and pressure opposing passers. However, the only players it confused were wearing Bills’ jerseys. " sad but true
YoloinOhio Posted April 21, 2016 Author Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) " With Ryans hiring, he looked to install his hybrid defensive scheme routed from 3-4 concepts that was designed to confuse and pressure opposing passers. However, the only players it confused were wearing Bills jerseys. " sad but true as an aside, I was listening to an interview with Preston Brown on Tuesday night. He seems to believe the defense itself wasn't confusing - it was all the checks before the play. He said that just based on the first two days of meetings, those have been significantly reduced this year. Edited April 21, 2016 by YoloinOhio
ALF Posted April 21, 2016 Posted April 21, 2016 The Bills could really use good data like that , I'am impressed
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 21, 2016 Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) This is really interesting http://buildingtheherd.com/commentary/2016-nfl-draft-analytics/ As a big SABR guy, I can appreciate the effort to identify players objectively through the use of metrics. The tendency for people unfamiliar with these types of metrics is to "cherry pick", and doing this misses the point. The point is to improve the analysis, which it clearly does, not that it is 100% correct. People developing the metrics also need to be aware that in small sample size (not sure what that is here), a good scout is probably better. Just another tool to use. Thanks for posting. Edited April 21, 2016 by The Thurmanator
zonabb Posted April 21, 2016 Posted April 21, 2016 As a big SABR guy, I can appreciate the effort to identify players objectively through the use of metrics. The tendency for people unfamiliar with these types of metrics is to "cherry pick", and doing this misses the point. The point is to improve the analysis, which it clearly does, not that it is 100% correct. People developing the metrics also need to be aware that in small sample size (not sure what that is here), a good scout is probably better. Just another tool to use. Thanks for posting. The reason the draft is a crap shoot and it's hard to quantify (predict) a good player is because these measures and models don't take into count the human condition. They don't account for personality, motivation, personal lives, what millions of dollars will do to someone, how hard they work, intelligence (the most underrated measure in the NFL IMO). This is where the quantitative revolution in the NFL isn't really much of a revolution. Other issues that impact player success is how well they fit the new scheme they get drafted into (lots of players get drafted in skill and the idea they can be fit into a system only to fail) and how much opportunity they get, which is interesting because teams treat late round picks as expendable and cut them quickly, rather than allowing them to develop due to the need to win now. Good read earlier this week, can't remember where, on how the draft is just a roulette machine basically and no GM is good at it.
YoloinOhio Posted April 21, 2016 Author Posted April 21, 2016 The reason the draft is a crap shoot and it's hard to quantify (predict) a good player is because these measures and models don't take into count the human condition. They don't account for personality, motivation, personal lives, what millions of dollars will do to someone, how hard they work, intelligence (the most underrated measure in the NFL IMO). This is where the quantitative revolution in the NFL isn't really much of a revolution. Other issues that impact player success is how well they fit the new scheme they get drafted into (lots of players get drafted in skill and the idea they can be fit into a system only to fail) and how much opportunity they get, which is interesting because teams treat late round picks as expendable and cut them quickly, rather than allowing them to develop due to the need to win now. Good read earlier this week, can't remember where, on how the draft is just a roulette machine basically and no GM is good at it.agree with all that - the metrics are helpful in the whole decision making process but just one part of it. I know that determining the player's "heart" and "love for football" is actually a huge factor for the NFL FO people I know.
3rdand12 Posted April 21, 2016 Posted April 21, 2016 as an aside, I was listening to an interview with Preston Brown on Tuesday night. He seems to believe the defense itself wasn't confusing - it was all the checks before the play. He said that just based on the first two days of meetings, those have been significantly reduced this year. I read that too. Nice to hear honestly. Also appreciate the article linked about analytics
Coach Tuesday Posted April 21, 2016 Posted April 21, 2016 http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/sackseer-2016
3rdand12 Posted April 21, 2016 Posted April 21, 2016 agree with all that - the metrics are helpful in the whole decision making process but just one part of it. I know that determining the player's "heart" and "love for football" is actually a huge factor for the NFL FO people I know. Metrics and analyzing players already proven. such as Bills for example, who have been successful in the scheme make a decent model to look for in the draft. Historical analysis is a tool also that come into play. Hysteresis is the word i believe
BarleyNY Posted April 21, 2016 Posted April 21, 2016 Couple of nice reads here. Thanks, Yolo and Coach.
KOKBILLS Posted April 21, 2016 Posted April 21, 2016 Good stuff...I heard this guy on Ross Tuckers Podcast...Very interesting...
Nihilarian Posted April 23, 2016 Posted April 23, 2016 The reason the draft is a crap shoot and it's hard to quantify (predict) a good player is because these measures and models don't take into count the human condition. They don't account for personality, motivation, personal lives, what millions of dollars will do to someone, how hard they work, intelligence (the most underrated measure in the NFL IMO). This is where the quantitative revolution in the NFL isn't really much of a revolution. Other issues that impact player success is how well they fit the new scheme they get drafted into (lots of players get drafted in skill and the idea they can be fit into a system only to fail) and how much opportunity they get, which is interesting because teams treat late round picks as expendable and cut them quickly, rather than allowing them to develop due to the need to win now. Good read earlier this week, can't remember where, on how the draft is just a roulette machine basically and no GM is good at it. There are currently some people in the NFL that are very good at evaluating college talent and some are actually excellent at it. First, you need a man at the top of the org chart who can recognize the people who are great at doing their job of scouting players. The Bills have had a few people like that over the years and one was HC Chuck Knox who hired Norm Pollom away from the Rams to join him in Buffalo as director of scouting for Buffalo. From there Pollom advised the hiring of a young man by the name of Bill Polian. Mind you the Bills still found and brought in some great talent under Chuck Know despite the standing GM being a complete moron in Stew Barber.
Beef Jerky Posted April 23, 2016 Posted April 23, 2016 as an aside, I was listening to an interview with Preston Brown on Tuesday night. He seems to believe the defense itself wasn't confusing - it was all the checks before the play. He said that just based on the first two days of meetings, those have been significantly reduced this year. Sucks when your players aren't smart enough to handle football. Mario dirtbag Williams was one of them.
NoSaint Posted April 23, 2016 Posted April 23, 2016 Sucks when your players aren't smart enough to handle football. Mario dirtbag Williams was one of them. You only get so many perfect players and we got athletes over iq a few times recently. No shame in that... they cant all be high motor all world athletes with genius iq It's also an issue when packages and playcalls are late coming in and you don't have time to make reads and communicate effectively
4merper4mer Posted April 23, 2016 Posted April 23, 2016 With the 19th pick of the 2016 draft the Buffalo Bills select linebacker Stephen Hawking, Oxford University. Mike Mayock says that advanced analytics determined Hawking is one of the very few people capable of processing Rex's defensive scheme. Still, he has physical limitations which make him a major reach. No other team required this intelligence level at LB so Hawking may have even been available as a UDFA.
Saxum Posted April 23, 2016 Posted April 23, 2016 It is important for team to understand the intelligence of the players - which are capable of making checks and be effective and which are not and adjust plan accordingly. This is something they could do with heads up display training so not to interfere with NFLPA rules on amount of snaps in practice.
3rdand12 Posted April 23, 2016 Posted April 23, 2016 With the 19th pick of the 2016 draft the Buffalo Bills select linebacker Stephen Hawking, Oxford University. Mike Mayock says that advanced analytics determined Hawking is one of the very few people capable of processing Rex's defensive scheme. Still, he has physical limitations which make him a major reach. No other team required this intelligence level at LB so Hawking may have even been available as a UDFA. great post !!
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 This is really interesting http://buildingtheherd.com/commentary/2016-nfl-draft-analytics/ analytics; taking the fun out of scouting and missing players because they don't meet metrics. The reason the draft is a crap shoot and it's hard to quantify (predict) a good player is because these measures and models don't take into count the human condition. They don't account for personality, motivation, personal lives, what millions of dollars will do to someone, how hard they work, intelligence (the most underrated measure in the NFL IMO). This is where the quantitative revolution in the NFL isn't really much of a revolution. Other issues that impact player success is how well they fit the new scheme they get drafted into (lots of players get drafted in skill and the idea they can be fit into a system only to fail) and how much opportunity they get, which is interesting because teams treat late round picks as expendable and cut them quickly, rather than allowing them to develop due to the need to win now. Good read earlier this week, can't remember where, on how the draft is just a roulette machine basically and no GM is good at it. Bravo! Sucks when your players aren't smart enough to handle football. Mario dirtbag Williams was one of them. I actually think Mario is an intelligent player, he's just a selfish entitled person who only wants to do what he wants to do.
Augie Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 With the 19th pick of the 2016 draft the Buffalo Bills select linebacker Stephen Hawking, Oxford University. Mike Mayock says that advanced analytics determined Hawking is one of the very few people capable of processing Rex's defensive scheme. Still, he has physical limitations which make him a major reach. No other team required this intelligence level at LB so Hawking may have even been available as a UDFA. As long as he can get everyone else into the proper spots, we should be OK - with him in a turbo charged wheel chair. He'll lack a little in lateral mobility, but have great deep speed.
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