eball Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Believe it or not, fans, it's completely acceptable to be disappointed in the job Rex did last year and still call Mario Williams out for the P.O.S. he showed himself to be.
4merper4mer Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Believe it or not, fans, it's completely acceptable to be disappointed in the job Rex did last year and still call Mario Williams out for the P.O.S. he showed himself to be. Disappointed in Rex...for the job he did last year.... P.O.S. Mario. Is it required that our feelings for Rex be mild and the we have total anger for Mario? Aren't we allowed to see it slightly differently? Can't we be disappointed in Mario for giving up on the POS defensive scheme? Or is that just taking it too far? Are we allowed to try to forget about Mario because he is gone and still be critical of the defense that is still here and still leading us in the wrong direction?
eball Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) Disappointed in Rex...for the job he did last year.... P.O.S. Mario. Is it required that our feelings for Rex be mild and the we have total anger for Mario? Aren't we allowed to see it slightly differently? Can't we be disappointed in Mario for giving up on the POS defensive scheme? Or is that just taking it too far? Are we allowed to try to forget about Mario because he is gone and still be critical of the defense that is still here and still leading us in the wrong direction? You can feel however you want to feel. I'll continue to take a "wait-and-see" position with Rex's defense and I'm not willing to completely throw him under the bus for one mediocre season when he has admitted he made mistakes and will adjust. Edit: I will, though, completely run Mario over with the bus and then back over him again for how he quit on everyone. If that makes me a "pollyanna," "homer," or "blind loyalist" I guess we have different definitions of those terms. Edited April 20, 2016 by eball
Beef Jerky Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) AW dissing Mario... "We will be a lot better than we were last year. As long as we're all in and do our jobs, it'll be hard to stop us." https://t.co/4e019TsdZS Edited April 20, 2016 by Beef Jerky
FireChan Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 AW dissing Mario... "We will be a lot better than we were last year. As long as we're all in and do our jobs, it'll be hard to stop us." https://t.co/4e019TsdZS Holy smokes, dissing?
Nanker Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Love, Mario #obviously Mario Williams promises "the best attitude" he's ever had http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/04/17/mario-williams-promises-the-best-attitude-hes-ever-had/ Aaaaaaand that reminds me of a song...
Nihilarian Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) He fell short b.c the guy next to him gave up which hurts the whole line, then Kyle going down made it worse. I hope you understand you need all 4 guys playing not 3. You typed all that up yet I destroyed your little conclusion in two simple sentences. Yes, you're a legend in your own mind. Try and comprehend that Rex Ryan running that bad scheme from week two and on is what killed the 2015 defense and not the play or attitude of one single player. There is a huge difference between a one-gap pass rushing scheme and a two-gap run-stopping scheme and the 2015 Bills ran the latter most of the time. If Mario was really was not attempting to do his job each week I have no doubt that the coaches would have benched him. Not to mention that the coaches themselves stated in the media that they were content with Mario's play and didn't think he was dogging it. "Ryan. Defensive coordinator Dennis Thurman. Defensive line coach Karl Dunbar. Coaches have supported Williams all season long – possibly to a fault. Their message has never wavered. Dunbar, all smiles, praised the veteran on Thursday. Asked how one of this generation’s best pass rushers can last 54 snaps without one tackle, one hit, one sack, Dunbar reiterated they’re pleased with Williams’ play. “He’s doing a good job of coming off the edge and the quarterback’s getting rid of the ball,” Dunbar said. “It’s kind of hard because the defense we play is predicated on what they give us and who’s going to be the hot guy. Yeah, you wish you had more tackles, you wish you had more sacks. But I think he’s helping our defense based upon the things he’s doing.” Dunbar cited linebacker Manny Lawson’s hit on Dallas’ Kellen Moore – the team’s only registered QB hit in the game – as one such play. Williams covered tight end James Hanna out of the backfield, eliminating the hot read and Moore was walloped. The coach asserts Williams “has been around the quarterback” and didn’t hesitate on if Williams has been giving his all. “Yeah, I think so,” Dunbar said. “He’s out there doing the things we’ve asked him to do. … It’s a little bit different than what he’s done in the past, but I think it’s working for us.” http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/12/31/marios-swan-song-with-bills-is-near/ There it is in black and white and blue* that the Bills coaches themselves were content with Williams play last season and even stated that they were asking him to do something a little bit different from what he has done in the past. Meaning the difference in schemes. EDIT: The difference in those schemes is in the one-gap Mario would go all out to rush the passer on every pass play and in Schwartz's scheme he would take a wider stance outside the OT to get a faster route to the QB. In the two-gap scheme, Mario wasn't asked to rush the passer and instead he was to be strict and patient to hold his position to stop the run on either side of the tackle. This makes it look like he is just standing there doing nothing and yet he isn't. He needs to read the play to determine which way it is going and take it from there. The extra seconds needed to wait and read the offensive play slows down the pass rush making it easier for the opposing offensive line in pass protection. Which is a very far cry from pinning his ears back and rushing the QB in the one-gap! I get that Bills fans love to crap on players that leave the team and like I said Mario does deserve some criticism for his attitude. Just not the blame for the entire decline of last season's defense. That goes on Rex and his craptastic two-gap scheme... along with him forgetting to call a blitz now and then. This article was written after the week 4 NY Giants game and it goes into what was different between the defensive schemes from 2014 under Schwartz to the 2015 scheme under Ryan. http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/10/07/bills-d-line-experiencing-disconnect-with-scheme/ Edited April 20, 2016 by Nihilarian
KD in CA Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Believe it or not, fans, it's completely acceptable to be disappointed in the job Rex did last year and still call Mario Williams out for the P.O.S. he showed himself to be. Woah.....what?? I need to sit down. This opens up a whole new world of possibilities.
Wayne Cubed Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Yes, you're a legend in your own mind. Try and comprehend that Rex Ryan running that bad scheme from week two and on is what killed the 2015 defense and not the play or attitude of one single player. There is a huge difference between a one-gap pass rushing scheme and a two-gap run-stopping scheme and the 2015 Bills ran the latter most of the time. If Mario was really was not attempting to do his job each week I have no doubt that the coaches would have benched him. Not to mention that the coaches themselves stated in the media that they were content with Mario's play and didn't think he was dogging it. "Ryan. Defensive coordinator Dennis Thurman. Defensive line coach Karl Dunbar. Coaches have supported Williams all season long – possibly to a fault. Their message has never wavered. Dunbar, all smiles, praised the veteran on Thursday. Asked how one of this generation’s best pass rushers can last 54 snaps without one tackle, one hit, one sack, Dunbar reiterated they’re pleased with Williams’ play. “He’s doing a good job of coming off the edge and the quarterback’s getting rid of the ball,” Dunbar said. “It’s kind of hard because the defense we play is predicated on what they give us and who’s going to be the hot guy. Yeah, you wish you had more tackles, you wish you had more sacks. But I think he’s helping our defense based upon the things he’s doing.” Dunbar cited linebacker Manny Lawson’s hit on Dallas’ Kellen Moore – the team’s only registered QB hit in the game – as one such play. Williams covered tight end James Hanna out of the backfield, eliminating the hot read and Moore was walloped. The coach asserts Williams “has been around the quarterback” and didn’t hesitate on if Williams has been giving his all. “Yeah, I think so,” Dunbar said. “He’s out there doing the things we’ve asked him to do. … It’s a little bit different than what he’s done in the past, but I think it’s working for us.” http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/12/31/marios-swan-song-with-bills-is-near/ There it is in black and white and blue* that the Bills coaches themselves were content with Williams play last season and even stated that they were asking him to do something a little bit different from what he has done in the past. Meaning the difference in schemes. I get that Bills fans love to crap on players that leave the team and like I said Mario does deserve some criticism for his attitude. Just not the blame for the entire decline of last season's defense. That goes on Rex and his craptastic two-gap scheme... along with him forgetting to call a blitz now and then. This article was written after the week 4 NY Giants game and it goes into what was different between the defensive schemes from 2014 under Schwartz to the 2015 scheme under Ryan. http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/10/07/bills-d-line-experiencing-disconnect-with-scheme/ So NFL coaches tell the truth to the media, all the time? They couldn't possibly be just giving lip service? Is that really where you hang your hat?
iinii Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Not even Brady? Please don't ask the tough questions! I am trying to be morally and ethically responsible.
Mr. WEO Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 AW dissing Mario... "We will be a lot better than we were last year. As long as we're all in and do our jobs, it'll be hard to stop us." https://t.co/4e019TsdZS Not sure he was dissing Mario there. I mean a guy who missed the season for injury can't really be ragging on anyone else for not doing their jobs or being :"all in". Especially since he was considering retiring just 5 months ago.
Nihilarian Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) So NFL coaches tell the truth to the media, all the time? They couldn't possibly be just giving lip service? Is that really where you hang your hat? Me, I tend to believe what the coaches say in the media most of the time. Except when it pertains to player injuries or the draft. Why would they all be lying? *Foolish me, I believed Rex Ryan last January 2015 when he said the bills would have the number one defense in the league and make the playoffs. Edited April 20, 2016 by Nihilarian
Mr. WEO Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Me, I tend to believe what the coaches say in the media most of the time. Except when it pertains to player injuries or the draft. Why would they all be lying? Maybe because they would rather not say "Mario has clearly quit on our ineffective defensive scheme"?
boyst Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Except the rest of the D line (even backups) out performed him by a wide margin. Mario's effect may have been hindered by the way he was being used, but he neutralized himself to being mostly invisible, and a blank stat line the 2nd half of the season through his effort or lack thereof. Great way of putting it. Schwartz almost never blitzed. He used his front 4 to get the pocket or nuetralixe the line. He used his lbs to clean up and scrape. Oettine was not much different. Rex wanted his DL to hold the lime and play the lbs more aggressive to step up and stop the plays. It didn't work because our DL is not that type and we had shot for lb It won't work next yr without a NT/DT that fills space on the run but can get the passer. Kyle Williams may have been the closest to doing that for us... 3 yrs ago ekrh wannstadt. And we need agile and smart lbs to get to the play. We would need Brandon spikes inside with poz, Kelsey and Lawson. For example. Sounds easier to do that than it is
Nihilarian Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) Maybe because they would rather not say "Mario has clearly quit on our ineffective defensive scheme"? Kinda funny huh? If that were true though then why not bench him or even outright cut him for lack of effort. Me, I believe Mario was doing his best in a very ineffective scheme as the man is a pro bowl pass-rushing defensive end and a lousy 3-4 DE in a two-gap scheme. What most Bills fans don't get is that because of the limited cap space for top free agents that fit a 3-4 two-gap scheme. It's going to take a few years of drafting players to make Ryan's scheme work properly. What's even more problematic is that neither Kyle Williams nor Marcell Dareus are a fit in that 3-4 two-gap and should Ryan continue to run that same scheme again this year Marcell might be the unhappiest player in the league. If the FO is intent on keeping Ryan as HC it might be smart to shop Dareus for some picks to better build that 3-4 for Rex. Edited April 20, 2016 by Nihilarian
Mr. WEO Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Kinda funny huh? If that were true though then why not bench him or even outright cut him for lack of effort. Me, I believe Mario was doing his best in a very ineffective scheme as the man is a pro bowl pass-rushing defensive end and a lousy 3-4 DE in a two-gap scheme. What most Bills fans don't get is that because of the limited cap space for top free agents that fit a 3-4 two-gap scheme. It's going to take a few years of drafting players to make Ryan's scheme work properly. What's even more problematic is that neither Kyle Williams nor Marcell Dareus are a fit in that 3-4 two-gap and should Ryan continue to run that same scheme again this year Marcell might be the unhappiest player in the league. If the FO is intent on keeping Ryan as HC it might be smart to shop Dareus for some picks to better build that 3-4 for Rex. Why not bench him? Because Rex is famously soft on star players--especially ones eating up so much in annual cap. You really think he's going to bench Mario in any scenario ever? And you really watched Mario this year and were convinced he was doing his best? You must be joking. Did he need to hold up a sign for you to read? As for the second bolded sentence....maybe the rest of us fans don't "get" it because Rex was crystal clear in every press conference from his hiring through preseason that this team had all the players he needed to succeed on D. But you seem to think he needs a few years or roster turnover before his system will work? You should give him a call...
CountDorkula Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 I think Mario is going to tear it up against us this year. He will have a chip on his shoulder. But hey, he has to be wrong because he is not on our team anymore. Therefor, he must suck now.
K-9 Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Rex sucked because he couldn't help it. Ego, ineptitude, whatever. He didn't suck intentionally. Mario sucked on purpose. On purpose. With intent. There is no doubt which is more egregious. I doubt he could look anyone in the eye during the week. Especially after the film sessions were over. Mario Joe Hobert. GO BILLS!!!
fridge Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Rex sucked because he couldn't help it. Ego, ineptitude, whatever. He didn't suck intentionally. Mario sucked on purpose. On purpose. With intent. There is no doubt which is more egregious. I doubt he could look anyone in the eye during the week. Especially after the film sessions were over. Mario Joe Hobert. GO BILLS!!! Yeah, there is actually. I doubt the narrative that is being sold as the gospel truth here. Mario had no issues trying all the other years he was with the team. Maybe a coach should be able to get the best out of his players.
K-9 Posted April 20, 2016 Posted April 20, 2016 Yeah, there is actually. I doubt the narrative that is being sold as the gospel truth here. Mario had no issues trying all the other years he was with the team. Maybe a coach should be able to get the best out of his players. The narrative that is being sold here? Mario was the best player on our team. The decision to give effort is a personal one, regardless how inept the coach is. Mario and Mario ALONE is responsible for his decision to mail it in and phuck his teammates and compromise them in the process. GO BILLS!!!
Recommended Posts