Rocky Landing Posted November 24, 2016 Posted November 24, 2016 (edited) Like...what? There already exist the UNLV stadium and it's few non football events bookings are a handful of Monster Truck shows and a motocross event. This line of thinking is always put forward but never bears out.... The slot machines alone would pay for it. (edit: I'm being snarky, not literal.) Edited November 24, 2016 by Rocky Landing
Mr. WEO Posted November 24, 2016 Posted November 24, 2016 I'm not saying that the stadium could be built JUST for those events. I was saying that it would fit along well with the football. That wouldn't be the case in Oakland for example. Those other events will certainly materialize though. There are stadium fights pretty much every year (think Canelo just fought in Dallas). That would be once or twice a year. Bigger music fesitvals like EDC and country superfest which are 3-4 day events could go there. I wouldn't be surprised if Ultra Music Fest moved there or at least EDC grow to that. They can also host longer runs of major artists because people will go there. As an example The Rolling Stones may play 1 night in Buffalo but 5 in Vegas. The HS football playoffs and Bishop Gorman will be there. The new stadium in Vegas will easily be 50 plus nights now that I think about it. The reason that Vegas doesn't have that stuff now is the venue doesntbexist. Sam Boyd Stadim seats 40K max and is pretty much a dump. The new stadium will be significantly larger and a palace. Another poster said that the stadium could be built just for those events. I think too much stock is being put in this being Vegas so all these events and concerts that are NOT currently filling other stadiums would automatically move to Vegas. For example, Ultra would not leave Miami after all these years to play in a football stadium in Vegas. Also, most of these giant music fests don't play in stadiums as they have multistage venues. ATT stadium is probably the most solidly booked such venue in the country and over the next 3 months, there are Cowboys games, a Texas Tech/Baylor game, Cottton Bowl, high school football games and a monster truck show and some bullriding stuff. No concerts. And Texas can fill seats in the ATT for high school football. No chance Vegas could. The experience of most new football stadiums is that they host few, if any, events that fill them other than football games.
Kirby Jackson Posted November 24, 2016 Posted November 24, 2016 (edited) Another poster said that the stadium could be built just for those events. I think too much stock is being put in this being Vegas so all these events and concerts that are NOT currently filling other stadiums would automatically move to Vegas. For example, Ultra would not leave Miami after all these years to play in a football stadium in Vegas. Also, most of these giant music fests don't play in stadiums as they have multistage venues. ATT stadium is probably the most solidly booked such venue in the country and over the next 3 months, there are Cowboys games, a Texas Tech/Baylor game, Cottton Bowl, high school football games and a monster truck show and some bullriding stuff. No concerts. And Texas can fill seats in the ATT for high school football. No chance Vegas could. The experience of most new football stadiums is that they host few, if any, events that fill them other than football games. Essence Fest does in the Superdome (multiday event) and Bayou Country Superfest (don't know what they call it elsewhere does (Tiger Stadium). Those 2 alone are 8 nights. I tend to agree on Ultra but EDC Vegas could easily grow to become a multiday event (maybe 2 stages). Just some thoughts but between those 3, UNLV and the Raiders you are already at 30 nights. I don't disagree at all that the stadium makes no sense without football. The point I was making it that, being in Vegas, it will have significantly more bookings than Buffalo, Oakland, Pittsburgh, etc... Those bookings aren't enough to stand on their own but there is a lot of revenue there. The Vegas appeal is what will accomplish this. We have it in New Orleans but that won't be on the same scale as Vegas. Edited November 24, 2016 by Kirby Jackson
Mr. WEO Posted November 24, 2016 Posted November 24, 2016 Essence Fest does in the Superdome (multiday event) and Bayou Country Superfest (don't know what they call it elsewhere does (Tiger Stadium). Those 2 alone are 8 nights. I tend to agree on Ultra but EDC Vegas could easily grow to become a multiday event (maybe 2 stages). Just some thoughts but between those 3, UNLV and the Raiders you are already at 30 nights. I don't disagree at all that the stadium makes no sense without football. The point I was making it that, being in Vegas, it will have significantly more bookings than Buffalo, Oakland, Pittsburgh, etc... Those bookings aren't enough to stand on their own but their is a lot of revenue there. The Vegas appeal is what will accomplish this. We have it in New Orleans but that won't be on the same scale as Vegas. I agree. More than in Buffalo, etc. But the fact that that state/city felt that $750 million of "found" (tax) money should only be used to have man-infant Davis's team come by for 8 games a year (that's the only reason the stadium is being built) reinforces the stupidity of local voters and the cravenness of local politicians. There are billionaires in that town that are involved with funding this stadium and of all the places in the world, Vegas was the place to call, Davis's (and Adelson's) bluff and say NO, you pay for it. Vegas will be the only NFL city with no actual hometown fans. It will be another attraction like Circ du Soleil or Celine Dionne or fake Beatles shows---something to bundle into a package or to have the hotel concierge hook you up with.
Kirby Jackson Posted November 24, 2016 Posted November 24, 2016 I agree. More than in Buffalo, etc. But the fact that that state/city felt that $750 million of "found" (tax) money should only be used to have man-infant Davis's team come by for 8 games a year (that's the only reason the stadium is being built) reinforces the stupidity of local voters and the cravenness of local politicians. There are billionaires in that town that are involved with funding this stadium and of all the places in the world, Vegas was the place to call, Davis's (and Adelson's) bluff and say NO, you pay for it. Vegas will be the only NFL city with no actual hometown fans. It will be another attraction like Circ du Soleil or Celine Dionne or fake Beatles shows---something to bundle into a package or to have the hotel concierge hook you up with. 100% agree with all of this
26CornerBlitz Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 @SNFonNBC Ronnie Lott is reportedly fighting to keep the @RAIDERS in Oakland with an ambitious $1.3 billion stadium proposal. http://tw.nbcsports.com/Zq5J
Gordio Posted November 30, 2016 Posted November 30, 2016 Like...what? There already exist the UNLV stadium and it's few non football events bookings are a handful of Monster Truck shows and a motocross event. This line of thinking is always put forward but never bears out.... Yeah I don't know how realistic it is to compare Sam Boyd Stadium to the Billion dollar + Stadium that a NFL team will play in. Sam Boyd is a glorified high school stadium. If Vegas builds a retractable dome stadium you better believe the big events will start knocking on their door.
Mr. WEO Posted December 17, 2016 Posted December 17, 2016 Even for those who haven't followed the Faraday story--here's more proof (along with the stadium project) that the people running Nevada are craven idiots.
Gregsbills 74 Posted December 17, 2016 Posted December 17, 2016 100% agree with all of this It wasn't put to the voters. I could be wrong. I thought the legislators held a special session?
26CornerBlitz Posted January 14, 2017 Posted January 14, 2017 NFL.com: Raiders to file relocation papers to move from Oakland to Vegas
Beef Jerky Posted January 14, 2017 Posted January 14, 2017 NFL.com: Raiders to file relocation papers to move from Oakland to Vegas Nice
Czaper Posted January 14, 2017 Posted January 14, 2017 NFL.com: Raiders to file relocation papers to move from Oakland to Vegas From a Northern Californian, Raiders fan terrible news. As Bills fans over the last few decades hearing about our team possibly moving was tough. On the other hand from the league side of it, it couldn't make more sense. The stadium will have elaborate luxury suites for every casino. Every game will be a guaranteed sell out. You'll have diehard Raiders fans making the trip a few times a season, you'll have the Raiders opposition of any given week, purchase 1,000's. "let's go to an away game and make a long weekend of it... They play the Raiders this year.... Vegas baby!" Then you'll have packages with casinos and travel agents filling the remainder. They'll be quick to get on the list to host the Super Bowl. From the league stand point, they can't loose.
KellyToTasker Posted January 14, 2017 Posted January 14, 2017 Ugh....The NFL. Soon to be unrecognizable and not for the better. Had the Bills moved to Vegas, it wouldn't entice me to take a 3 day weekend to watch them. I feel bad for the Chargers and Raiders fans.
Acantha Posted January 14, 2017 Posted January 14, 2017 Not sure why so many seem to be discounting the local population as a fan source. There's A LOT of people in the area outside of the strip, and frankly there's not a lot for them to do since they only visit the strip/tourist areas when they're hosting friends. I have a few friends that have settled in the area and they're pumped about a local team.
Kirby Jackson Posted January 14, 2017 Posted January 14, 2017 This has been a done deal for quite some time. The weird thing is that they are going to play in Oakland as a lame duck. Other teams have done it but it's weird.
JohnC Posted January 14, 2017 Posted January 14, 2017 Whenever I read about the spate of stories associated with relocation I become very grateful that the Peuglas' bought the local pro teams and are clearly committed to the region. I have been a harsh critic of Ralph Wilson as an owner but to his credit and a reflection of his honor he made the arrangements that kept the team in the region. Business is business but these franchise re-locations get me very upset.
PatsFanNH Posted January 14, 2017 Posted January 14, 2017 Honest question, how many times have the Raiders moved in like the last 20 years? Seems they are always on the move.
machine gun kelly Posted January 14, 2017 Posted January 14, 2017 The Raiders bailed on Oakland once before and the city has been promising the Davis family for years ver 20 years a partially funded stadium. At least Buffalo and NYS knew what they had in the Bills and compromised with $130 million dollars for an overhaul. It is sad for the fans, but like it or not the NFL is a bully to metropolitan areas, and if places like don't like playing ball, they move. The sad part for San Diego is corporations and outsiders would have been paying the taxes on the hotels, not the residents of San Diego. Same as Vegas. Makes you appreciate the Wilson family for keeping the team in Bufffalo and the Pegulas for buying both teams.
PromoTheRobot Posted January 14, 2017 Posted January 14, 2017 Honest question, how many times have the Raiders moved in like the last 20 years? Seems they are always on the move.They've only moved twice, to L.A. and back, but they yap about moving constantly.
Augie Posted January 14, 2017 Posted January 14, 2017 This has been a done deal for quite some time. The weird thing is that they are going to play in Oakland as a lame duck. Other teams have done it but it's weird. What I think is even more weird is a team sort of moving TO a lame duck situation (kinda, sorta), like the Chargers moving TO a 30,000 seat stadium. THAT is weird. I tried to figure out how many events the Georgia Dome hosted last year, but it turned out to be strangely elusive. I'll just say the place stays pretty busy, and Vegas may find a lot of similar types of events to keep the place pretty active.
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