Canadian Bills Fan Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 I knew my comment was going to come back to bite me. I'm not taking anything away from Gilmore. He is a great CB and I am well aware of his pass breakups but let me ask you this then... What kind of stats should a CB making $15M a year have? CBF
Blokestradamus Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 I'm not sure if I would agree with you that Gilmore is better than Haden CBF Haden has been pretty average since he signed that deal. Last year, albeit struggling with health, he gave up a 158.2 passer rating (158.3 is the max). Gilmore hasn't had a slump quite like that. I knew my comment was going to come back to bite me. I'm not taking anything away from Gilmore. He is a great CB and I am well aware of his pass breakups but let me ask you this then... What kind of stats should a CB making $15M a year have? CBF Here's the tough thing. I don't think basic stats are going to help figure out worth. A lot of the time, a dominant corner doesn't get thrown at enough to have fantastic stats. I'll pose these questions: 1) Does the opposition match up their best WR on him or do they sacrifice someone and let their #1 WR work on the other side? 2) When matched up on the #1 WR, how do his targets compare to being matched up on other #1 corners? If a corner is taking away half of the field and/or the opposition's biggest WR threat consistently, he's a stud. I think Gilmore qualifies as a top 8 player at a position with a lot of talent.
NoSaint Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 I knew my comment was going to come back to bite me. I'm not taking anything away from Gilmore. He is a great CB and I am well aware of his pass breakups but let me ask you this then... What kind of stats should a CB making $15M a year have? CBF I'd look at yards allowed, catches allowed, tds allowed as a jumping off point And then some things like breakups per target maybe those don't tell the whole story but waaaaay better than ints
Canadian Bills Fan Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 I'd look at yards allowed, catches allowed, tds allowed as a jumping off point And then some things like breakups per target maybe those don't tell the whole story but waaaaay better than ints I agree. Those are good stats to look at CBF
BarleyNY Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) @viccarucci Stephon Gilmore might want Josh Norman CB money, but the #Bills have no intention of giving it to him. BN Blitz: https://t.co/WJcOPEsYtW If Stephon Gilmore wants Josh Norman cornerback money, he'll have to get it from another team. I'm told the Bills have no intention of giving Gilmore a contract that will come close to the five-year, $75-million deal Norman received to join the Washington Redskins as a free agent. So that's where the sides are, $2M/year apart. Just playing with big, round numbers here, but if we're to be tagged each of the next two seasons his salaries would be about $11M, $14M & $17M. That's $42M for 3 years, or $14M per season. Obviously the Bills don't want to have to tie up their tag for those two seasons - especially since the possibility of needing it for Taylor next offseason is a real consideration - but those numbers are something to work with. Haden has been pretty average since he signed that deal. Last year, albeit struggling with health, he gave up a 158.2 passer rating (158.3 is the max). Gilmore hasn't had a slump quite like that. No, but Haden was compensated for his stellar play prior to his signing his last contract. He actually played great overall up until last season when he was absolutely abysmal.Still, that season is a caution to both sides. Playing under a tag is a huge risk for Gilmore. A bad season or injury and he could lose tens of millions of dollars. Of course, hitting free agency could net him that much more. Still, Norman was a pfree agent when he signed his deal. Gilmore isn't. There's a discount on overall contract for mitigation of risk and cash in hand. I expect to see him top 7 in average salary, but not at Norman's level. Probably in that $14M per season range. Here is a link to CB contracts: http://overthecap.com/position/cornerback/ Edited June 17, 2016 by BarleyNY
nucci Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 You probably didn't or would not have appreciated Robert James. One of my favorite players...was at the preseason game where he injured his knee that ended his career
26CornerBlitz Posted June 17, 2016 Author Posted June 17, 2016 One of my favorite players...was at the preseason game where he injured his knee that ended his career I was also there. It was terrible.
K-9 Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 I knew my comment was going to come back to bite me. I'm not taking anything away from Gilmore. He is a great CB and I am well aware of his pass breakups but let me ask you this then... What kind of stats should a CB making $15M a year have? CBF Stats that suggest he is among the stingiest when targeted, if at all. GO BILLS!!!
26CornerBlitz Posted June 17, 2016 Author Posted June 17, 2016 @JoeBuscaglia The #Bills Top 20 Talents countdown ends today. And coming in at No. 3, the biggest question mark heading into camp: https://t.co/vPdbb2Pboj
thebandit27 Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 Gah. I hate this--I really want Gilmore back next year, and while I understand why he wants $15M AAV, that's a ton of money. I'd feel a lot better if a Robey were playing good football the last two years, as that would leave a worst case scenario of needing one starting corner next year. If Gilmore leaves, we really need one of Seymour/White/Moore/Arenas/Butler to step up
ALF Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 He's under contract now for a reasonable price . If he won't sign long term and is going to mope, see what the trade market is.
K-9 Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 He's under contract now for a reasonable price . If he won't sign long term and is going to mope, see what the trade market is. I imagine it can't be high for a player approaching FAgency unless he agrees to a deal with our trading partner before hand. GO BILLS!!!
4merper4mer Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 Gilmore is a real talent. The cap dictates you can't have real talent everywhere all the time. With guys like Sam Bradford making $83 trillion a year or whatever he makes and Andrew Luck about to doom Indianapolis into an eventual move to San Antonio, I'd prefer to keep Gilmore. I also understand the Bills being cautious because they may need to save money for TT. I don't think there is really anyone to blame here. The Bills are being cautious, Gilmore is doing what he needs to do. I hope he stays.
dwight in philly Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 Gilmore is a real talent. The cap dictates you can't have real talent everywhere all the time. With guys like Sam Bradford making $83 trillion a year or whatever he makes and Andrew Luck about to doom Indianapolis into an eventual move to San Antonio, I'd prefer to keep Gilmore. I also understand the Bills being cautious because they may need to save money for TT. I don't think there is really anyone to blame here. The Bills are being cautious, Gilmore is doing what he needs to do. I hope he stays. i dont.. injury prone , always felt he was overrated.. but that is.. JMHO.
4merper4mer Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 i dont.. injury prone , always felt he was overrated.. but that is.. JMHO. I guess we'll disagree on that. A broken wrist could happen to anyone. That is where he lost the most time. I think he is very smooth and I rarely worry about him getting exploited. He is also anything but a loud mouth punk like many corners have been lately. Just goes out there and does his thing. 22 players like him and you hold up a trophy at year's end.
dwight in philly Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 I guess we'll disagree on that. A broken wrist could happen to anyone. That is where he lost the most time. I think he is very smooth and I rarely worry about him getting exploited. He is also anything but a loud mouth punk like many corners have been lately. Just goes out there and does his thing. 22 players like him and you hold up a trophy at year's end. respect your opinion.. and very valid. but i think due to the norman contract, he is being unrealistic. take your chances with robey , seymour.. why hamstring the organization. they draft corners number i every year , or so it seems.. this guy , IMHO, is not revis.
Beef Jerky Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 @viccarucci Stephon Gilmore might want Josh Norman CB money, but the #Bills have no intention of giving it to him. BN Blitz: https://t.co/WJcOPEsYtW If Stephon Gilmore wants Josh Norman cornerback money, he'll have to get it from another team. I'm told the Bills have no intention of giving Gilmore a contract that will come close to the five-year, $75-million deal Norman received to join the Washington Redskins as a free agent. They will continue to draft CB's every year.
thebandit27 Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 They will continue to draft CB's every year. Sort of like they prioritized it heavily in this year's draft, waiting until the 6th round to take one? Also, CB is by far the most commonly drafted position, so that's hardly a bold prediction
Nanker Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 So when they finally re-sign Gilmore they'll get around to extending Tyrod, right? Can they extend him to the 6'5" range? Signed, unsure and befuddled about extensions.
YoloinOhio Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 They will continue to draft CB's every year.would be wise for every team to do this
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