Bill from NYC Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 You not understanding the value of an excellent CB in today's NFL? What a shocker! Tyrod will get his due in a big pay day if his game continues to progress in 2016. Anything new from you? Nope! The beat goes on. If the team HAD to lose either Gilmore or Tyrod, which loss would be more devastating? Would you like to go back to EJ? Ya think that would work? Seriously, you are quite the good poster. I mean this but I suggest that you open your eyes, if even to a squint. A few things: - Gilmore is the priority based on his longer track-record of success; he's been a very good player (at least in their eyes if not yours) for 4 years. Tyrod had one decent season; it's not prudent to pay him $20M/year at this point. - Gilmore will be the easier (and cheaper) player to sign right now; you can buy yourself another year with Tyrod if you aren't 100% convinced with the franchise tag. - Though the right side of the line was the weaker side, they weren't horrible. You can't be the league's #1 rushing offense and allow the 10th-fewest QB hits (with a QB that holds the ball longer than any other in the league mind you) if they're horrible. In need of improvement for sure, but not horrible. I'd call them below-average, though I still feel good about Miller taking a step. Take away Tyrod's rushing yardage and where would they rank? Mills needs to take a major leap forward. Kujo was flat out awful and Urbik was clearly superior to Miller. Hey, they brought in Slaussen for a reason. Improvement IS possible because these guys are young but I am not feeling all that great about it.
BarleyNY Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 If the team HAD to lose either Gilmore or Tyrod, which loss would be more devastating? Would you like to go back to EJ? Ya think that would work? :)Seriously, you are quite the good poster. I mean this but I suggest that you open your eyes, if even to a squint. Wow. You really had to work hard there. Sorry, but pretending that our choices are: - Keep Gilbert and go back to EJ or - Lose Gilbert and keep Tyrod is pretty ridiculous. Reality is that Gilbert has earned his next, big contract over the last four years. Tyrod hasn't earned his yet, not with one good season. Gilbert will likely get paid very soon. Taylor will get paid next season if he earns it. The Bills can keep both if Tyrod earns his place.
Augie Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 Wow. You really had to work hard there. Sorry, but pretending that our choices are: - Keep Gilbert and go back to EJ or - Lose Gilbert and keep Tyrod is pretty ridiculous. Reality is that Gilbert has earned his next, big contract over the last four years. Tyrod hasn't earned his yet, not with one good season. Gilbert will likely get paid very soon. Taylor will get paid next season if he earns it. The Bills can keep both if Tyrod earns his place. Most people here realize Gilbert Gottfried is only good in a zone. I wouldn't over pay.
KOKBILLS Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 Take away Tyrod's rushing yardage and where would they rank? Just answering your question...Not taking sides here... If you assume the Bills replacement QB would have more than 4 yards rushing for the season they would have finished 10th...More than 26 yards rushing from the QB position they finish 9th... Part of the problem with the question is that top 10 rushing teams like Carolina, Seattle, and KC also benefited greatly by running QB's...Take out Newton, Wilson and Alex Smith's yards and the Bills are pretty close to a Top 5 rushing team, even without Tyrod...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 (edited) If the team HAD to lose either Gilmore or Tyrod, which loss would be more devastating? Would you like to go back to EJ? Ya think that would work? Seriously, you are quite the good poster. I mean this but I suggest that you open your eyes, if even to a squint. Take away Tyrod's rushing yardage and where would they rank? Mills needs to take a major leap forward. Kujo was flat out awful and Urbik was clearly superior to Miller. Hey, they brought in Slaussen for a reason. Improvement IS possible because these guys are young but I am not feeling all that great about it. It is absurd to not count the QB rushing yards. He is part of the team. This argument reminds me of the hockey cop out " we would have won if it wasn't for your goalie". The goalie is part of your team, just like QB is part of your rushing attack. Edited May 11, 2016 by The Thurmanator
Mark Vader Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 I think that we need to make Gilmore the priority for a contract extension right now. If Taylor has a strong season, then I believe the Bills will take care of him. And I hope Taylor succeeds. What I wonder about Gilmore is this: Is he going to give the Bills every chance to re-sign him to a reasonable deal, or is he going to play hardball and try to get Josh Norman money? I like Gilmore a lot, and I want him on this team, but giving him that much money makes me a bit hesitant. Especially when we have to think about the future of Sammy. For all I know, the Bills will have the money to sign all of these players and it will all work out. I just wonder if Gilmore wants to make a deal now, or does he want to wait it out?
26CornerBlitz Posted May 11, 2016 Author Posted May 11, 2016 If the team HAD to lose either Gilmore or Tyrod, which loss would be more devastating? Would you like to go back to EJ? Ya think that would work? Seriously, you are quite the good poster. I mean this but I suggest that you open your eyes, if even to a squint. Take away Tyrod's rushing yardage and where would they rank? Mills needs to take a major leap forward. Kujo was flat out awful and Urbik was clearly superior to Miller. Hey, they brought in Slaussen for a reason. Improvement IS possible because these guys are young but I am not feeling all that great about it. Sorry, but it's a false choice. They simply don't have to choose as things stand. In order for this team to be successful, they will need both players to be successful if both players continue to progress in what should be the prime years of their respective careers. Good try though.
Bill from NYC Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 Sorry, but it's a false choice. They simply don't have to choose as things stand. In order for this team to be successful, they will need both players to be successful if both players continue to progress in what should be the prime years of their respective careers. Good try though.Do you or do you not realize that my response in this thread was to a link of a sportswriter (of whom I never heard) saying that Gilmore should be a priority over Tyrod. I disagree, so now you attack me? You sound like you don't agree with him too much either. I make the case that a solid qb (Tyrod) is more important than a pretty good defensive back (Gilmore). The Bills, since Kelly, have devoted far more resources to the secondary that the qb position, or perhaps any other position other than possibly running back. How did that work? Most important of all, it is great that posters here have different opinions. There are fan haters, Jauron lovers, and people who think EJ Manuel can play football. Some even think that Rex was OK last season. I don't agree with these folks but it is good to have them here. The day that posters here just agree on everything, this great site will suck. Jmo.
26CornerBlitz Posted May 11, 2016 Author Posted May 11, 2016 Do you or do you not realize that my response in this thread was to a link of a sportswriter (of whom I never heard) saying that Gilmore should be a priority over Tyrod. I disagree, so now you attack me? You sound like you don't agree with him too much either. I make the case that a solid qb (Tyrod) is more important than a pretty good defensive back (Gilmore). The Bills, since Kelly, have devoted far more resources to the secondary that the qb position, or perhaps any other position other than possibly running back. How did that work? Most important of all, it is great that posters here have different opinions. There are fan haters, Jauron lovers, and people who think EJ Manuel can play football. Some even think that Rex was OK last season. I don't agree with these folks but it is good to have them here. The day that posters here just agree on everything, this great site will suck. Jmo. I clearly get where you are coming from, but disagreeing with your POV is not an attack.
Bill from NYC Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 I clearly get where you are coming from, but disagreeing with your POV is not an attack.Good point. At least both of our opinions are well thought. You know, old ways of thinking are sometimes hard to change. I KNOW this applies to me. Just something to think about.
26CornerBlitz Posted May 11, 2016 Author Posted May 11, 2016 Good point. At least both of our opinions are well thought. You know, old ways of thinking are sometimes hard to change. I KNOW this applies to me. Just something to think about.
thebandit27 Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 Take away Tyrod's rushing yardage and where would they rank? Mills needs to take a major leap forward. Kujo was flat out awful and Urbik was clearly superior to Miller. Hey, they brought in Slaussen for a reason. Improvement IS possible because these guys are young but I am not feeling all that great about it. If you remove QB rushing yards from every team (which I think gets us close to the point, but is still a bit flawed via designed-QB runs--of which I know we're both fans), then Buffalo finishes 6th in YPC and 5th in rushing yards. I definitely feel that RT is the biggest weakness. Before the 2015 draft, I had Miller pegged as a year 1 starter that would need a full NFL offseason before he was ready to be anything other than a mediocre player, which is why I gave him a R3-R4 grade. If he can strengthen/thicken his lower body and improve his hand placement, he'll take a big step. I don't have a lot of hope for MIlls improving, and you and I are both on record as having hated the Kouandjio pick, so the only real hope would be a return to health and marked improvement from Henderson. In the absence of that, they may choose to try to swing a trade for Anthony Davis, which I think could reasonably happen if they can get Gilmore signed.
Bill from NYC Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 If you remove QB rushing yards from every team (which I think gets us close to the point, but is still a bit flawed via designed-QB runs--of which I know we're both fans), then Buffalo finishes 6th in YPC and 5th in rushing yards. I definitely feel that RT is the biggest weakness. Before the 2015 draft, I had Miller pegged as a year 1 starter that would need a full NFL offseason before he was ready to be anything other than a mediocre player, which is why I gave him a R3-R4 grade. If he can strengthen/thicken his lower body and improve his hand placement, he'll take a big step. I don't have a lot of hope for MIlls improving, and you and I are both on record as having hated the Kouandjio pick, so the only real hope would be a return to health and marked improvement from Henderson. In the absence of that, they may choose to try to swing a trade for Anthony Davis, which I think could reasonably happen if they can get Gilmore signed. Davis is very good when healthy. I hope Miller gets better but bandit, he looks small to me. I was never one to trust the height/weight numbers teams release. Maybe I'm wrong, but I sat in row 2 once behind the Bills and it looked to me that Sam Adams weighed 375 and Pat William 400. Tell me, do you believe Marcel is 325? But I digress...... There is a thread about Ross Tucker speaking about the Bills. He is VERY high on Tyrod as a qb. So am I. In fact, imo he is the best running qb in the league. He is a good passer too considering he had all of 1 season to start! I really want to see him re-signed, and NOT for a 22 million or so dollar franchise tag. This matters more to me than Gilmore, and is of course just my opinion.
PromoTheRobot Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 (edited) Many good points raised here. Please keep them in mind when rating QBs in a vacuum. It's a TEAM GAME. You could have a great QB and still lose games because your CB stinks, or visa versa. Edited May 11, 2016 by PromoTheRobot
ddaryl Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 Gilmore is an above average Corner. Tyrod so far has proven to be average on his better days. Plus we have Tyrod under contract, and we can franchise him while he proves to everyone if he's worth the big money, and big commitment I just do not see why any Bills fan would be in a rush to sign a QB to long expensive contract given the fact that every single QB we've given a big contract to post Kelly has sucked balls the moment they get sed contract. Thanks but I will wait and see if Tyrod gets better or regresses. Gilmore has proven what we can do consistently, Tyrod owes it to all to prove he is not a 1 year wonder
thebandit27 Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 Davis is very good when healthy. I hope Miller gets better but bandit, he looks small to me. I was never one to trust the height/weight numbers teams release. Maybe I'm wrong, but I sat in row 2 once behind the Bills and it looked to me that Sam Adams weighed 375 and Pat William 400. Tell me, do you believe Marcel is 325? But I digress...... There is a thread about Ross Tucker speaking about the Bills. He is VERY high on Tyrod as a qb. So am I. In fact, imo he is the best running qb in the league. He is a good passer too considering he had all of 1 season to start! I really want to see him re-signed, and NOT for a 22 million or so dollar franchise tag. This matters more to me than Gilmore, and is of course just my opinion. Not sure how much his body has changed since the combine, but he weighed in at 303. He's definitely on the smaller side for an interior player--like I said I'd really like to see him strengthen his lower body a bit more, but that may not be the team's plan, since they rely so much on lateral movement in the run game. And no, there ain't no way Marcell is 325 (or 331, at which they list him)...you're definitely right about that. I like Tyrod; I was so pleasantly surprised with his play last year, and in a perfect world, I'd want to see him extended. That said, with QB salaries getting so outrageous that Brock Osweiler gets $18M/year, I think they have to get this decision right. They can't afford to make a Fitz-like mistake with Tyrod. We've seen so many young QBs look legit in their first game action, only to fold after opposing DCs have a chance to break them down. You are 100% right, however, that the QB is the most important piece.
Nanker Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 If you remove QB rushing yards from every team (which I think gets us close to the point, but is still a bit flawed via designed-QB runs--of which I know we're both fans), then Buffalo finishes 6th in YPC and 5th in rushing yards. I definitely feel that RT is the biggest weakness. Before the 2015 draft, I had Miller pegged as a year 1 starter that would need a full NFL offseason before he was ready to be anything other than a mediocre player, which is why I gave him a R3-R4 grade. If he can strengthen/thicken his lower body and improve his hand placement, he'll take a big step. I don't have a lot of hope for MIlls improving, and you and I are both on record as having hated the Kouandjio pick, so the only real hope would be a return to health and marked improvement from Henderson. In the absence of that, they may choose to try to swing a trade for Anthony Davis, which I think could reasonably happen if they can get Gilmore signed. Yeah, this peaked my curiosity, so here's what happened in 2015 including all QB rushing yards. Rk Overall Tm Att Yds Y/G QB Rushing Yds 1 Buffalo Bills 509 2432 152 632 2 Carolina Panthers 526 2282 142.6 636 3 Seattle Seahawks 500 2268 141.8 553 4 Minnesota Vikings 474 2211 138.2 192 5 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 454 2159 134.9 210 6 Kansas City Chiefs 436 2044 127.8 498 7 St. Louis Rams 429 1956 122.3 25 8 Arizona Cardinals 452 1917 119.8 24 9 Dallas Cowboys 408 1888 118 12 10 New York Jets 448 1868 116.8 270 11 Chicago Bears 468 1854 115.9 201 12 Green Bay Packers 436 1850 115.6 344 13 Cincinnati Bengals 467 1805 112.8 173 14 Philadelphia Eagles 443 1743 108.9 61 15 Houston Texans 472 1731 108.2 44 16 Pittsburgh Steelers 388 1724 107.8 123 17 Denver Broncos 411 1718 107.4 55 18 New York Giants 403 1609 100.6 61 19 Atlanta Falcons 421 1606 100.4 63 20 Washington Redskins 429 1566 97.9 48 21 San Francisco 49ers 390 1544 96.5 441 22 Cleveland Browns 380 1529 95.6 361 23 Miami Dolphins 344 1496 93.5 141 24 New Orleans Saints 397 1491 93.2 14 25 Tennessee Titans 371 1485 92.8 260 26 Baltimore Ravens 383 1478 92.4 33 27 Jacksonville Jaguars 354 1473 92.1 310 28 Oakland Raiders 370 1457 91.1 138 29 Indianapolis Colts 396 1438 89.9 235 30 New England Patriots 383 1404 87.8 53 31 San Diego Chargers 393 1358 84.9 28 32 Detroit Lions 354 1335 83.4 159 And here's the ranking after removing ALL QB rushing: Rank w/o QB Tm Att Yds Y/G QB Rushing Yds Net of QB Rushing Yards 1 Minnesota Vikings 474 2211 138.2 192 2019 2 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 454 2159 134.9 210 1949 3 St. Louis Rams 429 1956 122.3 25 1931 4 Arizona Cardinals 452 1917 119.8 24 1893 5 Dallas Cowboys 408 1888 118 12 1876 6 Buffalo Bills 509 2432 152 632 1800 7 Seattle Seahawks 500 2268 141.8 553 1715 8 Houston Texans 472 1731 108.2 44 1687 9 Philadelphia Eagles 443 1743 108.9 61 1682 10 Denver Broncos 411 1718 107.4 55 1663 11 Chicago Bears 468 1854 115.9 201 1653 12 Carolina Panthers 526 2282 142.6 636 1646 13 Cincinnati Bengals 467 1805 112.8 173 1632 14 Pittsburgh Steelers 388 1724 107.8 123 1601 15 New York Jets 448 1868 116.8 270 1598 16 New York Giants 403 1609 100.6 61 1548 17 Kansas City Chiefs 436 2044 127.8 498 1546 18 Atlanta Falcons 421 1606 100.4 63 1543 19 Washington Redskins 429 1566 97.9 48 1518 20 Green Bay Packers 436 1850 115.6 344 1506 21 New Orleans Saints 397 1491 93.2 14 1477 22 Baltimore Ravens 383 1478 92.4 33 1445 23 Miami Dolphins 344 1496 93.5 141 1355 24 New England Patriots 383 1404 87.8 53 1351 25 San Diego Chargers 393 1358 84.9 28 1330 26 Oakland Raiders 370 1457 91.1 138 1319 27 Tennessee Titans 371 1485 92.8 260 1225 28 Indianapolis Colts 396 1438 89.9 235 1203 29 Detroit Lions 354 1335 83.4 159 1176 30 Cleveland Browns 380 1529 95.6 361 1168 31 Jacksonville Jaguars 354 1473 92.1 310 1163 32 San Francisco 49ers 390 1544 96.5 441 1103
thebandit27 Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 Yeah, this peaked my curiosity, so here's what happened in 2015 including all QB rushing yards. Rk Overall Tm Att Yds Y/G QB Rushing Yds 1 Buffalo Bills 509 2432 152 632 2 Carolina Panthers 526 2282 142.6 636 3 Seattle Seahawks 500 2268 141.8 553 4 Minnesota Vikings 474 2211 138.2 192 5 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 454 2159 134.9 210 6 Kansas City Chiefs 436 2044 127.8 498 7 St. Louis Rams 429 1956 122.3 25 8 Arizona Cardinals 452 1917 119.8 24 9 Dallas Cowboys 408 1888 118 12 10 New York Jets 448 1868 116.8 270 11 Chicago Bears 468 1854 115.9 201 12 Green Bay Packers 436 1850 115.6 344 13 Cincinnati Bengals 467 1805 112.8 173 14 Philadelphia Eagles 443 1743 108.9 61 15 Houston Texans 472 1731 108.2 44 16 Pittsburgh Steelers 388 1724 107.8 123 17 Denver Broncos 411 1718 107.4 55 18 New York Giants 403 1609 100.6 61 19 Atlanta Falcons 421 1606 100.4 63 20 Washington Redskins 429 1566 97.9 48 21 San Francisco 49ers 390 1544 96.5 441 22 Cleveland Browns 380 1529 95.6 361 23 Miami Dolphins 344 1496 93.5 141 24 New Orleans Saints 397 1491 93.2 14 25 Tennessee Titans 371 1485 92.8 260 26 Baltimore Ravens 383 1478 92.4 33 27 Jacksonville Jaguars 354 1473 92.1 310 28 Oakland Raiders 370 1457 91.1 138 29 Indianapolis Colts 396 1438 89.9 235 30 New England Patriots 383 1404 87.8 53 31 San Diego Chargers 393 1358 84.9 28 32 Detroit Lions 354 1335 83.4 159 And here's the ranking after removing ALL QB rushing: Rank w/o QB Tm Att Yds Y/G QB Rushing Yds Net of QB Rushing Yards 1 Minnesota Vikings 474 2211 138.2 192 2019 2 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 454 2159 134.9 210 1949 3 St. Louis Rams 429 1956 122.3 25 1931 4 Arizona Cardinals 452 1917 119.8 24 1893 5 Dallas Cowboys 408 1888 118 12 1876 6 Buffalo Bills 509 2432 152 632 1800 7 Seattle Seahawks 500 2268 141.8 553 1715 8 Houston Texans 472 1731 108.2 44 1687 9 Philadelphia Eagles 443 1743 108.9 61 1682 10 Denver Broncos 411 1718 107.4 55 1663 11 Chicago Bears 468 1854 115.9 201 1653 12 Carolina Panthers 526 2282 142.6 636 1646 13 Cincinnati Bengals 467 1805 112.8 173 1632 14 Pittsburgh Steelers 388 1724 107.8 123 1601 15 New York Jets 448 1868 116.8 270 1598 16 New York Giants 403 1609 100.6 61 1548 17 Kansas City Chiefs 436 2044 127.8 498 1546 18 Atlanta Falcons 421 1606 100.4 63 1543 19 Washington Redskins 429 1566 97.9 48 1518 20 Green Bay Packers 436 1850 115.6 344 1506 21 New Orleans Saints 397 1491 93.2 14 1477 22 Baltimore Ravens 383 1478 92.4 33 1445 23 Miami Dolphins 344 1496 93.5 141 1355 24 New England Patriots 383 1404 87.8 53 1351 25 San Diego Chargers 393 1358 84.9 28 1330 26 Oakland Raiders 370 1457 91.1 138 1319 27 Tennessee Titans 371 1485 92.8 260 1225 28 Indianapolis Colts 396 1438 89.9 235 1203 29 Detroit Lions 354 1335 83.4 159 1176 30 Cleveland Browns 380 1529 95.6 361 1168 31 Jacksonville Jaguars 354 1473 92.1 310 1163 32 San Francisco 49ers 390 1544 96.5 441 1103 Thanks for that!
3rdand12 Posted May 11, 2016 Posted May 11, 2016 I think that we need to make Gilmore the priority for a contract extension right now. If Taylor has a strong season, then I believe the Bills will take care of him. And I hope Taylor succeeds. What I wonder about Gilmore is this: Is he going to give the Bills every chance to re-sign him to a reasonable deal, or is he going to play hardball and try to get Josh Norman money? I like Gilmore a lot, and I want him on this team, but giving him that much money makes me a bit hesitant. Especially when we have to think about the future of Sammy. For all I know, the Bills will have the money to sign all of these players and it will all work out. I just wonder if Gilmore wants to make a deal now, or does he want to wait it out? I feel the same way. There have been reports here that suggest all is well. But i get skittish on this deal Good point. At least both of our opinions are well thought. You know, old ways of thinking are sometimes hard to change. I KNOW this applies to me. Just something to think about. Yeah, this peaked my curiosity, so here's what happened in 2015 including all QB rushing yards. Rk Overall Tm Att Yds Y/G QB Rushing Yds 1 Buffalo Bills 509 2432 152 632 2 Carolina Panthers 526 2282 142.6 636 3 Seattle Seahawks 500 2268 141.8 553 4 Minnesota Vikings 474 2211 138.2 192 5 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 454 2159 134.9 210 6 Kansas City Chiefs 436 2044 127.8 498 7 St. Louis Rams 429 1956 122.3 25 8 Arizona Cardinals 452 1917 119.8 24 9 Dallas Cowboys 408 1888 118 12 10 New York Jets 448 1868 116.8 270 11 Chicago Bears 468 1854 115.9 201 12 Green Bay Packers 436 1850 115.6 344 13 Cincinnati Bengals 467 1805 112.8 173 14 Philadelphia Eagles 443 1743 108.9 61 15 Houston Texans 472 1731 108.2 44 16 Pittsburgh Steelers 388 1724 107.8 123 17 Denver Broncos 411 1718 107.4 55 18 New York Giants 403 1609 100.6 61 19 Atlanta Falcons 421 1606 100.4 63 20 Washington Redskins 429 1566 97.9 48 21 San Francisco 49ers 390 1544 96.5 441 22 Cleveland Browns 380 1529 95.6 361 23 Miami Dolphins 344 1496 93.5 141 24 New Orleans Saints 397 1491 93.2 14 25 Tennessee Titans 371 1485 92.8 260 26 Baltimore Ravens 383 1478 92.4 33 27 Jacksonville Jaguars 354 1473 92.1 310 28 Oakland Raiders 370 1457 91.1 138 29 Indianapolis Colts 396 1438 89.9 235 30 New England Patriots 383 1404 87.8 53 31 San Diego Chargers 393 1358 84.9 28 32 Detroit Lions 354 1335 83.4 159 And here's the ranking after removing ALL QB rushing: Rank w/o QB Tm Att Yds Y/G QB Rushing Yds Net of QB Rushing Yards 1 Minnesota Vikings 474 2211 138.2 192 2019 2 Tampa Bay Buccaneers 454 2159 134.9 210 1949 3 St. Louis Rams 429 1956 122.3 25 1931 4 Arizona Cardinals 452 1917 119.8 24 1893 5 Dallas Cowboys 408 1888 118 12 1876 6 Buffalo Bills 509 2432 152 632 1800 7 Seattle Seahawks 500 2268 141.8 553 1715 8 Houston Texans 472 1731 108.2 44 1687 9 Philadelphia Eagles 443 1743 108.9 61 1682 10 Denver Broncos 411 1718 107.4 55 1663 11 Chicago Bears 468 1854 115.9 201 1653 12 Carolina Panthers 526 2282 142.6 636 1646 13 Cincinnati Bengals 467 1805 112.8 173 1632 14 Pittsburgh Steelers 388 1724 107.8 123 1601 15 New York Jets 448 1868 116.8 270 1598 16 New York Giants 403 1609 100.6 61 1548 17 Kansas City Chiefs 436 2044 127.8 498 1546 18 Atlanta Falcons 421 1606 100.4 63 1543 19 Washington Redskins 429 1566 97.9 48 1518 20 Green Bay Packers 436 1850 115.6 344 1506 21 New Orleans Saints 397 1491 93.2 14 1477 22 Baltimore Ravens 383 1478 92.4 33 1445 23 Miami Dolphins 344 1496 93.5 141 1355 24 New England Patriots 383 1404 87.8 53 1351 25 San Diego Chargers 393 1358 84.9 28 1330 26 Oakland Raiders 370 1457 91.1 138 1319 27 Tennessee Titans 371 1485 92.8 260 1225 28 Indianapolis Colts 396 1438 89.9 235 1203 29 Detroit Lions 354 1335 83.4 159 1176 30 Cleveland Browns 380 1529 95.6 361 1168 31 Jacksonville Jaguars 354 1473 92.1 310 1163 32 San Francisco 49ers 390 1544 96.5 441 1103 you make it seem so simple
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