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You not understanding the value of an excellent CB in today's NFL? What a shocker! Tyrod will get his due in a big pay day if his game continues to progress in 2016. Anything new from you? Nope! The beat goes on.

If the team HAD to lose either Gilmore or Tyrod, which loss would be more devastating? Would you like to go back to EJ? Ya think that would work? :)

 

Seriously, you are quite the good poster. I mean this but I suggest that you open your eyes, if even to a squint.

A few things:

 

- Gilmore is the priority based on his longer track-record of success; he's been a very good player (at least in their eyes if not yours) for 4 years. Tyrod had one decent season; it's not prudent to pay him $20M/year at this point.

- Gilmore will be the easier (and cheaper) player to sign right now; you can buy yourself another year with Tyrod if you aren't 100% convinced with the franchise tag.

- Though the right side of the line was the weaker side, they weren't horrible. You can't be the league's #1 rushing offense and allow the 10th-fewest QB hits (with a QB that holds the ball longer than any other in the league mind you) if they're horrible. In need of improvement for sure, but not horrible. I'd call them below-average, though I still feel good about Miller taking a step.

Take away Tyrod's rushing yardage and where would they rank?

 

Mills needs to take a major leap forward. Kujo was flat out awful and Urbik was clearly superior to Miller. Hey, they brought in Slaussen for a reason.

 

Improvement IS possible because these guys are young but I am not feeling all that great about it.

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If the team HAD to lose either Gilmore or Tyrod, which loss would be more devastating? Would you like to go back to EJ? Ya think that would work? :)Seriously, you are quite the good poster. I mean this but I suggest that you open your eyes, if even to a squint.

Wow. You really had to work hard there. Sorry, but pretending that our choices are:

- Keep Gilbert and go back to EJ or

- Lose Gilbert and keep Tyrod

is pretty ridiculous. Reality is that Gilbert has earned his next, big contract over the last four years. Tyrod hasn't earned his yet, not with one good season. Gilbert will likely get paid very soon. Taylor will get paid next season if he earns it. The Bills can keep both if Tyrod earns his place.

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Wow. You really had to work hard there. Sorry, but pretending that our choices are:

- Keep Gilbert and go back to EJ or

- Lose Gilbert and keep Tyrod

is pretty ridiculous. Reality is that Gilbert has earned his next, big contract over the last four years. Tyrod hasn't earned his yet, not with one good season. Gilbert will likely get paid very soon. Taylor will get paid next season if he earns it. The Bills can keep both if Tyrod earns his place.

Most people here realize Gilbert Gottfried is only good in a zone. I wouldn't over pay. :)

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Take away Tyrod's rushing yardage and where would they rank?

 

 

 

Just answering your question...Not taking sides here...

 

If you assume the Bills replacement QB would have more than 4 yards rushing for the season they would have finished 10th...More than 26 yards rushing from the QB position they finish 9th...

 

Part of the problem with the question is that top 10 rushing teams like Carolina, Seattle, and KC also benefited greatly by running QB's...Take out Newton, Wilson and Alex Smith's yards and the Bills are pretty close to a Top 5 rushing team, even without Tyrod... B-)

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If the team HAD to lose either Gilmore or Tyrod, which loss would be more devastating? Would you like to go back to EJ? Ya think that would work? :)

 

Seriously, you are quite the good poster. I mean this but I suggest that you open your eyes, if even to a squint.

Take away Tyrod's rushing yardage and where would they rank?

 

Mills needs to take a major leap forward. Kujo was flat out awful and Urbik was clearly superior to Miller. Hey, they brought in Slaussen for a reason.

 

Improvement IS possible because these guys are young but I am not feeling all that great about it.

It is absurd to not count the QB rushing yards. He is part of the team.

This argument reminds me of the hockey cop out " we would have won if it wasn't for your goalie". The goalie is part of your team, just like QB is part of your rushing attack.

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I think that we need to make Gilmore the priority for a contract extension right now.

 

If Taylor has a strong season, then I believe the Bills will take care of him. And I hope Taylor succeeds.

 

What I wonder about Gilmore is this: Is he going to give the Bills every chance to re-sign him to a reasonable deal, or is he going to play hardball and try to get Josh Norman money?

 

I like Gilmore a lot, and I want him on this team, but giving him that much money makes me a bit hesitant. Especially when we have to think about the future of Sammy.

 

For all I know, the Bills will have the money to sign all of these players and it will all work out. I just wonder if Gilmore wants to make a deal now, or does he want to wait it out?

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If the team HAD to lose either Gilmore or Tyrod, which loss would be more devastating? Would you like to go back to EJ? Ya think that would work? :)

 

Seriously, you are quite the good poster. I mean this but I suggest that you open your eyes, if even to a squint.

Take away Tyrod's rushing yardage and where would they rank?

 

Mills needs to take a major leap forward. Kujo was flat out awful and Urbik was clearly superior to Miller. Hey, they brought in Slaussen for a reason.

 

Improvement IS possible because these guys are young but I am not feeling all that great about it.

 

Sorry, but it's a false choice. They simply don't have to choose as things stand. In order for this team to be successful, they will need both players to be successful if both players continue to progress in what should be the prime years of their respective careers. Good try though.

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Sorry, but it's a false choice. They simply don't have to choose as things stand. In order for this team to be successful, they will need both players to be successful if both players continue to progress in what should be the prime years of their respective careers. Good try though.

Do you or do you not realize that my response in this thread was to a link of a sportswriter (of whom I never heard) saying that Gilmore should be a priority over Tyrod. I disagree, so now you attack me? You sound like you don't agree with him too much either.

 

I make the case that a solid qb (Tyrod) is more important than a pretty good defensive back (Gilmore). The Bills, since Kelly, have devoted far more resources to the secondary that the qb position, or perhaps any other position other than possibly running back. How did that work?

 

Most important of all, it is great that posters here have different opinions. There are fan haters, Jauron lovers, and people who think EJ Manuel can play football. Some even think that Rex was OK last season. I don't agree with these folks but it is good to have them here. The day that posters here just agree on everything, this great site will suck.

 

Jmo.

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Do you or do you not realize that my response in this thread was to a link of a sportswriter (of whom I never heard) saying that Gilmore should be a priority over Tyrod. I disagree, so now you attack me? You sound like you don't agree with him too much either.

 

I make the case that a solid qb (Tyrod) is more important than a pretty good defensive back (Gilmore). The Bills, since Kelly, have devoted far more resources to the secondary that the qb position, or perhaps any other position other than possibly running back. How did that work?

 

Most important of all, it is great that posters here have different opinions. There are fan haters, Jauron lovers, and people who think EJ Manuel can play football. Some even think that Rex was OK last season. I don't agree with these folks but it is good to have them here. The day that posters here just agree on everything, this great site will suck.

 

Jmo.

 

I clearly get where you are coming from, but disagreeing with your POV is not an attack.

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I clearly get where you are coming from, but disagreeing with your POV is not an attack.

Good point.

 

At least both of our opinions are well thought.

 

You know, old ways of thinking are sometimes hard to change. I KNOW this applies to me. Just something to think about. ;)

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Good point.

 

At least both of our opinions are well thought.

 

You know, old ways of thinking are sometimes hard to change. I KNOW this applies to me. Just something to think about. ;)

 

:beer:

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Take away Tyrod's rushing yardage and where would they rank?

 

Mills needs to take a major leap forward. Kujo was flat out awful and Urbik was clearly superior to Miller. Hey, they brought in Slaussen for a reason.

 

Improvement IS possible because these guys are young but I am not feeling all that great about it.

 

If you remove QB rushing yards from every team (which I think gets us close to the point, but is still a bit flawed via designed-QB runs--of which I know we're both fans), then Buffalo finishes 6th in YPC and 5th in rushing yards.

 

I definitely feel that RT is the biggest weakness. Before the 2015 draft, I had Miller pegged as a year 1 starter that would need a full NFL offseason before he was ready to be anything other than a mediocre player, which is why I gave him a R3-R4 grade. If he can strengthen/thicken his lower body and improve his hand placement, he'll take a big step. I don't have a lot of hope for MIlls improving, and you and I are both on record as having hated the Kouandjio pick, so the only real hope would be a return to health and marked improvement from Henderson.

 

In the absence of that, they may choose to try to swing a trade for Anthony Davis, which I think could reasonably happen if they can get Gilmore signed.

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If you remove QB rushing yards from every team (which I think gets us close to the point, but is still a bit flawed via designed-QB runs--of which I know we're both fans), then Buffalo finishes 6th in YPC and 5th in rushing yards.

 

I definitely feel that RT is the biggest weakness. Before the 2015 draft, I had Miller pegged as a year 1 starter that would need a full NFL offseason before he was ready to be anything other than a mediocre player, which is why I gave him a R3-R4 grade. If he can strengthen/thicken his lower body and improve his hand placement, he'll take a big step. I don't have a lot of hope for MIlls improving, and you and I are both on record as having hated the Kouandjio pick, so the only real hope would be a return to health and marked improvement from Henderson.

 

In the absence of that, they may choose to try to swing a trade for Anthony Davis, which I think could reasonably happen if they can get Gilmore signed.

Davis is very good when healthy. I hope Miller gets better but bandit, he looks small to me. I was never one to trust the height/weight numbers teams release. Maybe I'm wrong, but I sat in row 2 once behind the Bills and it looked to me that Sam Adams weighed 375 and Pat William 400. Tell me, do you believe Marcel is 325? But I digress......

 

There is a thread about Ross Tucker speaking about the Bills. He is VERY high on Tyrod as a qb. So am I. In fact, imo he is the best running qb in the league. He is a good passer too considering he had all of 1 season to start! I really want to see him re-signed, and NOT for a 22 million or so dollar franchise tag.

 

This matters more to me than Gilmore, and is of course just my opinion.

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Many good points raised here. Please keep them in mind when rating QBs in a vacuum. It's a TEAM GAME. You could have a great QB and still lose games because your CB stinks, or visa versa.

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Gilmore is an above average Corner. Tyrod so far has proven to be average on his better days.

 

Plus we have Tyrod under contract, and we can franchise him while he proves to everyone if he's worth the big money, and big commitment

 

 

I just do not see why any Bills fan would be in a rush to sign a QB to long expensive contract given the fact that every single QB we've given a big contract to post Kelly has sucked balls the moment they get sed contract.

 

Thanks but I will wait and see if Tyrod gets better or regresses. Gilmore has proven what we can do consistently, Tyrod owes it to all to prove he is not a 1 year wonder

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Davis is very good when healthy. I hope Miller gets better but bandit, he looks small to me. I was never one to trust the height/weight numbers teams release. Maybe I'm wrong, but I sat in row 2 once behind the Bills and it looked to me that Sam Adams weighed 375 and Pat William 400. Tell me, do you believe Marcel is 325? But I digress......

 

There is a thread about Ross Tucker speaking about the Bills. He is VERY high on Tyrod as a qb. So am I. In fact, imo he is the best running qb in the league. He is a good passer too considering he had all of 1 season to start! I really want to see him re-signed, and NOT for a 22 million or so dollar franchise tag.

 

This matters more to me than Gilmore, and is of course just my opinion.

 

Not sure how much his body has changed since the combine, but he weighed in at 303. He's definitely on the smaller side for an interior player--like I said I'd really like to see him strengthen his lower body a bit more, but that may not be the team's plan, since they rely so much on lateral movement in the run game.

 

And no, there ain't no way Marcell is 325 (or 331, at which they list him)...you're definitely right about that.

 

I like Tyrod; I was so pleasantly surprised with his play last year, and in a perfect world, I'd want to see him extended. That said, with QB salaries getting so outrageous that Brock Osweiler gets $18M/year, I think they have to get this decision right. They can't afford to make a Fitz-like mistake with Tyrod. We've seen so many young QBs look legit in their first game action, only to fold after opposing DCs have a chance to break them down.

 

You are 100% right, however, that the QB is the most important piece.

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If you remove QB rushing yards from every team (which I think gets us close to the point, but is still a bit flawed via designed-QB runs--of which I know we're both fans), then Buffalo finishes 6th in YPC and 5th in rushing yards.

 

I definitely feel that RT is the biggest weakness. Before the 2015 draft, I had Miller pegged as a year 1 starter that would need a full NFL offseason before he was ready to be anything other than a mediocre player, which is why I gave him a R3-R4 grade. If he can strengthen/thicken his lower body and improve his hand placement, he'll take a big step. I don't have a lot of hope for MIlls improving, and you and I are both on record as having hated the Kouandjio pick, so the only real hope would be a return to health and marked improvement from Henderson.

 

In the absence of that, they may choose to try to swing a trade for Anthony Davis, which I think could reasonably happen if they can get Gilmore signed.

Yeah, this peaked my curiosity, so here's what happened in 2015 including all QB rushing yards.

Rk Overall	Tm	Att	Yds	Y/G	QB Rushing Yds
1	Buffalo Bills	509	2432	152	632
2	Carolina Panthers	526	2282	142.6	636
3	Seattle Seahawks	500	2268	141.8	553
4	Minnesota Vikings	474	2211	138.2	192
5	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	454	2159	134.9	210
6	Kansas City Chiefs	436	2044	127.8	498
7	St. Louis Rams	429	1956	122.3	25
8	Arizona Cardinals	452	1917	119.8	24
9	Dallas Cowboys	408	1888	118	12
10	New York Jets	448	1868	116.8	270
11	Chicago Bears	468	1854	115.9	201
12	Green Bay Packers	436	1850	115.6	344
13	Cincinnati Bengals	467	1805	112.8	173
14	Philadelphia Eagles	443	1743	108.9	61
15	Houston Texans	472	1731	108.2	44
16	Pittsburgh Steelers	388	1724	107.8	123
17	Denver Broncos	411	1718	107.4	55
18	New York Giants	403	1609	100.6	61
19	Atlanta Falcons	421	1606	100.4	63
20	Washington Redskins	429	1566	97.9	48
21	San Francisco 49ers	390	1544	96.5	441
22	Cleveland Browns	380	1529	95.6	361
23	Miami Dolphins	344	1496	93.5	141
24	New Orleans Saints	397	1491	93.2	14
25	Tennessee Titans	371	1485	92.8	260
26	Baltimore Ravens	383	1478	92.4	33
27	Jacksonville Jaguars	354	1473	92.1	310
28	Oakland Raiders	370	1457	91.1	138
29	Indianapolis Colts	396	1438	89.9	235
30	New England Patriots	383	1404	87.8	53
31	San Diego Chargers	393	1358	84.9	28
32	Detroit Lions	354	1335	83.4	159

And here's the ranking after removing ALL QB rushing:

Rank w/o QB	Tm	Att	Yds	Y/G	QB Rushing Yds	Net of QB Rushing Yards
1	Minnesota Vikings	474	2211	138.2	192	2019
2	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	454	2159	134.9	210	1949
3	St. Louis Rams	429	1956	122.3	25	1931
4	Arizona Cardinals	452	1917	119.8	24	1893
5	Dallas Cowboys	408	1888	118	12	1876
6	Buffalo Bills	509	2432	152	632	1800
7	Seattle Seahawks	500	2268	141.8	553	1715
8	Houston Texans	472	1731	108.2	44	1687
9	Philadelphia Eagles	443	1743	108.9	61	1682
10	Denver Broncos	411	1718	107.4	55	1663
11	Chicago Bears	468	1854	115.9	201	1653
12	Carolina Panthers	526	2282	142.6	636	1646
13	Cincinnati Bengals	467	1805	112.8	173	1632
14	Pittsburgh Steelers	388	1724	107.8	123	1601
15	New York Jets	448	1868	116.8	270	1598
16	New York Giants	403	1609	100.6	61	1548
17	Kansas City Chiefs	436	2044	127.8	498	1546
18	Atlanta Falcons	421	1606	100.4	63	1543
19	Washington Redskins	429	1566	97.9	48	1518
20	Green Bay Packers	436	1850	115.6	344	1506
21	New Orleans Saints	397	1491	93.2	14	1477
22	Baltimore Ravens	383	1478	92.4	33	1445
23	Miami Dolphins	344	1496	93.5	141	1355
24	New England Patriots	383	1404	87.8	53	1351
25	San Diego Chargers	393	1358	84.9	28	1330
26	Oakland Raiders	370	1457	91.1	138	1319
27	Tennessee Titans	371	1485	92.8	260	1225
28	Indianapolis Colts	396	1438	89.9	235	1203
29	Detroit Lions	354	1335	83.4	159	1176
30	Cleveland Browns	380	1529	95.6	361	1168
31	Jacksonville Jaguars	354	1473	92.1	310	1163
32	San Francisco 49ers	390	1544	96.5	441	1103
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Yeah, this peaked my curiosity, so here's what happened in 2015 including all QB rushing yards.

Rk Overall	Tm	Att	Yds	Y/G	QB Rushing Yds
1	Buffalo Bills	509	2432	152	632
2	Carolina Panthers	526	2282	142.6	636
3	Seattle Seahawks	500	2268	141.8	553
4	Minnesota Vikings	474	2211	138.2	192
5	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	454	2159	134.9	210
6	Kansas City Chiefs	436	2044	127.8	498
7	St. Louis Rams	429	1956	122.3	25
8	Arizona Cardinals	452	1917	119.8	24
9	Dallas Cowboys	408	1888	118	12
10	New York Jets	448	1868	116.8	270
11	Chicago Bears	468	1854	115.9	201
12	Green Bay Packers	436	1850	115.6	344
13	Cincinnati Bengals	467	1805	112.8	173
14	Philadelphia Eagles	443	1743	108.9	61
15	Houston Texans	472	1731	108.2	44
16	Pittsburgh Steelers	388	1724	107.8	123
17	Denver Broncos	411	1718	107.4	55
18	New York Giants	403	1609	100.6	61
19	Atlanta Falcons	421	1606	100.4	63
20	Washington Redskins	429	1566	97.9	48
21	San Francisco 49ers	390	1544	96.5	441
22	Cleveland Browns	380	1529	95.6	361
23	Miami Dolphins	344	1496	93.5	141
24	New Orleans Saints	397	1491	93.2	14
25	Tennessee Titans	371	1485	92.8	260
26	Baltimore Ravens	383	1478	92.4	33
27	Jacksonville Jaguars	354	1473	92.1	310
28	Oakland Raiders	370	1457	91.1	138
29	Indianapolis Colts	396	1438	89.9	235
30	New England Patriots	383	1404	87.8	53
31	San Diego Chargers	393	1358	84.9	28
32	Detroit Lions	354	1335	83.4	159

And here's the ranking after removing ALL QB rushing:

Rank w/o QB	Tm	Att	Yds	Y/G	QB Rushing Yds	Net of QB Rushing Yards
1	Minnesota Vikings	474	2211	138.2	192	2019
2	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	454	2159	134.9	210	1949
3	St. Louis Rams	429	1956	122.3	25	1931
4	Arizona Cardinals	452	1917	119.8	24	1893
5	Dallas Cowboys	408	1888	118	12	1876
6	Buffalo Bills	509	2432	152	632	1800
7	Seattle Seahawks	500	2268	141.8	553	1715
8	Houston Texans	472	1731	108.2	44	1687
9	Philadelphia Eagles	443	1743	108.9	61	1682
10	Denver Broncos	411	1718	107.4	55	1663
11	Chicago Bears	468	1854	115.9	201	1653
12	Carolina Panthers	526	2282	142.6	636	1646
13	Cincinnati Bengals	467	1805	112.8	173	1632
14	Pittsburgh Steelers	388	1724	107.8	123	1601
15	New York Jets	448	1868	116.8	270	1598
16	New York Giants	403	1609	100.6	61	1548
17	Kansas City Chiefs	436	2044	127.8	498	1546
18	Atlanta Falcons	421	1606	100.4	63	1543
19	Washington Redskins	429	1566	97.9	48	1518
20	Green Bay Packers	436	1850	115.6	344	1506
21	New Orleans Saints	397	1491	93.2	14	1477
22	Baltimore Ravens	383	1478	92.4	33	1445
23	Miami Dolphins	344	1496	93.5	141	1355
24	New England Patriots	383	1404	87.8	53	1351
25	San Diego Chargers	393	1358	84.9	28	1330
26	Oakland Raiders	370	1457	91.1	138	1319
27	Tennessee Titans	371	1485	92.8	260	1225
28	Indianapolis Colts	396	1438	89.9	235	1203
29	Detroit Lions	354	1335	83.4	159	1176
30	Cleveland Browns	380	1529	95.6	361	1168
31	Jacksonville Jaguars	354	1473	92.1	310	1163
32	San Francisco 49ers	390	1544	96.5	441	1103

 

Thanks for that!

Posted

I think that we need to make Gilmore the priority for a contract extension right now.

 

If Taylor has a strong season, then I believe the Bills will take care of him. And I hope Taylor succeeds.

 

What I wonder about Gilmore is this: Is he going to give the Bills every chance to re-sign him to a reasonable deal, or is he going to play hardball and try to get Josh Norman money?

 

I like Gilmore a lot, and I want him on this team, but giving him that much money makes me a bit hesitant. Especially when we have to think about the future of Sammy.

 

For all I know, the Bills will have the money to sign all of these players and it will all work out. I just wonder if Gilmore wants to make a deal now, or does he want to wait it out?

I feel the same way. There have been reports here that suggest all is well. But i get skittish on this deal

Good point.

 

At least both of our opinions are well thought.

 

You know, old ways of thinking are sometimes hard to change. I KNOW this applies to me. Just something to think about. ;)

:thumbsup:

 

Yeah, this peaked my curiosity, so here's what happened in 2015 including all QB rushing yards.

Rk Overall	Tm	Att	Yds	Y/G	QB Rushing Yds
1	Buffalo Bills	509	2432	152	632
2	Carolina Panthers	526	2282	142.6	636
3	Seattle Seahawks	500	2268	141.8	553
4	Minnesota Vikings	474	2211	138.2	192
5	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	454	2159	134.9	210
6	Kansas City Chiefs	436	2044	127.8	498
7	St. Louis Rams	429	1956	122.3	25
8	Arizona Cardinals	452	1917	119.8	24
9	Dallas Cowboys	408	1888	118	12
10	New York Jets	448	1868	116.8	270
11	Chicago Bears	468	1854	115.9	201
12	Green Bay Packers	436	1850	115.6	344
13	Cincinnati Bengals	467	1805	112.8	173
14	Philadelphia Eagles	443	1743	108.9	61
15	Houston Texans	472	1731	108.2	44
16	Pittsburgh Steelers	388	1724	107.8	123
17	Denver Broncos	411	1718	107.4	55
18	New York Giants	403	1609	100.6	61
19	Atlanta Falcons	421	1606	100.4	63
20	Washington Redskins	429	1566	97.9	48
21	San Francisco 49ers	390	1544	96.5	441
22	Cleveland Browns	380	1529	95.6	361
23	Miami Dolphins	344	1496	93.5	141
24	New Orleans Saints	397	1491	93.2	14
25	Tennessee Titans	371	1485	92.8	260
26	Baltimore Ravens	383	1478	92.4	33
27	Jacksonville Jaguars	354	1473	92.1	310
28	Oakland Raiders	370	1457	91.1	138
29	Indianapolis Colts	396	1438	89.9	235
30	New England Patriots	383	1404	87.8	53
31	San Diego Chargers	393	1358	84.9	28
32	Detroit Lions	354	1335	83.4	159

And here's the ranking after removing ALL QB rushing:

Rank w/o QB	Tm	Att	Yds	Y/G	QB Rushing Yds	Net of QB Rushing Yards
1	Minnesota Vikings	474	2211	138.2	192	2019
2	Tampa Bay Buccaneers	454	2159	134.9	210	1949
3	St. Louis Rams	429	1956	122.3	25	1931
4	Arizona Cardinals	452	1917	119.8	24	1893
5	Dallas Cowboys	408	1888	118	12	1876
6	Buffalo Bills	509	2432	152	632	1800
7	Seattle Seahawks	500	2268	141.8	553	1715
8	Houston Texans	472	1731	108.2	44	1687
9	Philadelphia Eagles	443	1743	108.9	61	1682
10	Denver Broncos	411	1718	107.4	55	1663
11	Chicago Bears	468	1854	115.9	201	1653
12	Carolina Panthers	526	2282	142.6	636	1646
13	Cincinnati Bengals	467	1805	112.8	173	1632
14	Pittsburgh Steelers	388	1724	107.8	123	1601
15	New York Jets	448	1868	116.8	270	1598
16	New York Giants	403	1609	100.6	61	1548
17	Kansas City Chiefs	436	2044	127.8	498	1546
18	Atlanta Falcons	421	1606	100.4	63	1543
19	Washington Redskins	429	1566	97.9	48	1518
20	Green Bay Packers	436	1850	115.6	344	1506
21	New Orleans Saints	397	1491	93.2	14	1477
22	Baltimore Ravens	383	1478	92.4	33	1445
23	Miami Dolphins	344	1496	93.5	141	1355
24	New England Patriots	383	1404	87.8	53	1351
25	San Diego Chargers	393	1358	84.9	28	1330
26	Oakland Raiders	370	1457	91.1	138	1319
27	Tennessee Titans	371	1485	92.8	260	1225
28	Indianapolis Colts	396	1438	89.9	235	1203
29	Detroit Lions	354	1335	83.4	159	1176
30	Cleveland Browns	380	1529	95.6	361	1168
31	Jacksonville Jaguars	354	1473	92.1	310	1163
32	San Francisco 49ers	390	1544	96.5	441	1103

you make it seem so simple :lol:

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