Early 1st Round Mock With Trades

[4merper4mer]

 

this is exactly what I want to happen but draft Connor Cook instead. Also prefer not to trade that far down but will take it if need be.

 

 

 

Why not just give Denver our pick and just take a pass in the first round? It'll be the same thing as drafting Cook except we'll save salary cap and locker room headaches.

 

As far as getting Lee at 31? Every mock I have seen has him going in the top 20 except 1 which had him at 27. I saw him as high as 12. Nobody, Bills or otherwise, is getting him at 31.

[H2o]

You're saying: #20, #83, next year's second and Mo Wilkerson for #1 overall? That's a complete joke. And Wilkerson, who has recently been in legal trouble, suspended by the league and is playing on a franchise tag, is big value in this trade? Also a joke. Fine player, but terrible baggage and contract situation If you added first round picks in 2017 and 2018 you'd be in the right ballpark. That's about what it would take and there's no way the Jets throw that at them.

Uhhhh, I am pretty sure it was Sheldon Richardson who was suspended and has the "baggage". Wilkerson had a broken leg a couple years ago, but came back and played excellent again.

[Codyny13]

Very nice write up, but Treadwell in the top 10 is crazy to me. I don't think the guy is even a first round pick. I think he's top 2nd round pick but who knows. He does kinda remind me of Anquan Boldin, and look how his career has worked out.

[BarleyNY]

Uhhhh, I am pretty sure it was Sheldon Richardson who was suspended and has the "baggage". Wilkerson had a broken leg a couple years ago, but came back and played excellent again.

I stand corrected on that. I did mix them up on the off field issues. But Wilkerson is still on a one year franchise tag contract and total compensation to move from 20 to 1 would still be in the range I mentioned, not the one you proposed.

Edited April 11, 2016 by BarleyNY

[H2o]

Very nice write up, but Treadwell in the top 10 is crazy to me. I don't think the guy is even a first round pick. I think he's top 2nd round pick but who knows. He does kinda remind me of Anquan Boldin, and look how his career has worked out.

Yeah, me too..... Kinda. But Trent Baalke and Chip Kelly aren't the greatest of football personnel minds. Nothing would surprise me with them, especially with Wentz and Goff off the board.

I stand corrected on that. I did mix them up on the off field issues. But Wilkerson is still on a one year franchise tag contract and total compensation to move from 20 to 1 would still be in the range I mentioned, not the one you proposed.

They may have to give up one more pick,possibly in this year's draft or a 2nd instead of the 3rd, but being they are giving up a PROVEN all pro commodity there is no way in hades it takes 3 first round picks PLUS Mo. No way. You can fumble with the chart all you want. We will just have to agree to disagree on this one my friend.

[KGun12TD]

I love love love this scenario for the Bills!!!

[YoloinOhio]

I love love love this scenario for the Bills!!!

pass the fireball - Hic!

[machine gun kelly]

H2O - that was a fun write up, and very thoughtful. You know these things are like a rubics cube. Make one turn it affects three more afterwards. My point is simply these are all conjecture, but took some time to really think through your decisions, and it was interesting.

 

It's hard to believe Lee would be there at 31. He'd be a sharp pick if we could get him at the right value. Thanks bud for taking this amount of time on it though.

 

I'll take an extra 2nd all day long if we still get a solid 1st like your projection.

[H2o]

H2O - that was a fun write up, and very thoughtful. You know these things are like a rubics cube. Make one turn it affects three more afterwards. My point is simply these are all conjecture, but took some time to really think through your decisions, and it was interesting.

 

It's hard to believe Lee would be there at 31. He'd be a sharp pick if we could get him at the right value. Thanks bud for taking this amount of time on it though.

 

I'll take an extra 2nd all day long if we still get a solid 1st like your projection.

Thanks my friend. Indeed these are all subjective. One team can set off a chain reaction that wouldn't have happened otherwise. I too have seen Lee mocked in the top half of the first, but I have also read where more than a few NFL scouting dept's view him as a 2nd Round talent who is benefiting from a great combine. I myself like him and Joshua Perry from Ohio St. Perry is less heralded because he didn't run a sub 4.5 40, but both will make for solid LB's at least in the NFL imo. Ohio St is pumping out some defensive prospects this year. I count 6 on defense alone that could go in the first two or three rounds.

[YoloinOhio]

Thanks my friend. Indeed these are all subjective. One team can set off a chain reaction that wouldn't have happened otherwise. I too have seen Lee mocked in the top half of the first, but I have also read where more than a few NFL scouting dept's view him as a 2nd Round talent who is benefiting from a great combine. I myself like him and Joshua Perry from Ohio St. Perry is less heralded because he didn't run a sub 4.5 40, but both will make for solid LB's at least in the NFL imo. Ohio St is pumping out some defensive prospects this year. I count 6 on defense alone that could go in the first two or three rounds.

Perry would be a very intriguing fit for Rex as he's very smart and very versatile. My guess is he goes to the Pats. His college roommate just joined them as a scout. And he just looks like a Pats LB to me. I'd be thrilled to have him on the Bills.

 

Unfortunately they've shown zero interest in him to this point.

Edited April 11, 2016 by YoloinOhio

[Webster Guy]

interesting.

 

i've never seen a single mock that had anything right past the first handful of picks though.

 

i just hope we pass on the qb's this year and get at least 2 defensive starters with a few more to add depth

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Actually no...not in my scenario......

 

In my scenario I take a big fat ugly defensive linemen who us unaturally quick for his size but also incredibally strong

 

THe rock that offenses will break against.....and since he is strong enough to consistantly tie up 2 OL......lesser linebackers will be free to scrape and make plays

 

our DTs are fine

 

 

Why not just give Denver our pick and just take a pass in the first round? It'll be the same thing as drafting Cook except we'll save salary cap and locker room headaches.

 

 

Yeah because Cook was such a locker room headache, good luck supporting that thesis

“It’s a little bit of an overkill, at this point,” Conklin said Wednesday about the leadership questions dogging Cook during the NFL scouting combine. “Connor is a leader on our team, no doubt. I think, if you talk to anybody on our team, you’ll get the same answer.”

 

http://www.usatoday....mbine/80876130/

[billsfan89]

Jets could maybe make a package of pick #20, Mo Wilkerson, pick #51, An additional mid round pick this year, The Jets 1st next year, and The Jets 2nd next year for pick #1. The Titans get Wilkerson a very good defensive talent a couple of extra picks this year and a good haul for next years draft. while still getting to pick at 20.

 

I don't think that the Jets need to go full RGIII trade but they need to put in a pretty good haul of picks on top of Wilkerson. Definitely include this years 2nd and next years 1st is the starting point. I think next years 2nd plus a 4th or 3rd this year would be a good topper to that deal at the minimum.

 

I do think that the Skins !@#$ed everyone over as teams will be expecting 2 future 1st rounders along with a 2nd in any deal for trading up into a top pick that is a QB. They set the standard. Although Cleveland got significantly less in the trade for Sammy but that maybe was a team in a less desperate situation.

Edited April 11, 2016 by billsfan89

[NastyNateSoldiers]

1. New York Jets (via Tennessee) - Carson Wentz / QB / ND State - The Jets move Mo Wilkerson to a team that has the $ to pay him and swap 1st's (as well as other pick compensation) to get their QB of the future.

2. Cleveland Browns - Jared Goff / QB / Cal - Hue Jackson worked wonders with Andy Dalton in Cincy. I think this year we will see just how much his offense had to do with Dalton's success. He takes a guy here who can at least be Cleveland's version, if not better.

3. San Diego Chargers - Laremy Tunsil / OT / Ole Miss - The run on the top two QB's benefits them the most as they are able to get a potential All Pro LT to protect Phillip Rivers' blindside for the remainder of his career.

4. Dallas Cowboys - Jalen Ramsey / CB / FSU - The Cowboys are doing cartwheels in the war room as Ramsey falls into their lap @ #4. Ramsey could very well be the best player in the draft and it just so happens that this is one of the greatest positions of need for the Cowboys.

5. Jacksonville Jaguars - Myles Jack / LB / UCLA - Jack is a do everything sideline to sideline LB. He can play the run and cover. He has excellent instincts. The guy is just a great athlete and football player. It will essentially be like the Jags had two early 1st's this year as they will get Fowler back and add Jack. They also signed Malik Jackson. This team is a team on the rise.

6. Baltimore Ravens - Joey Bosa / DE / Ohio St. - Suggs is coming off an achilles tear and along with Dumervill they aren't getting any younger. Ozzie Newsome gets some new blood for the pass rush in Baltimore.

7. San Francisco 49ers - Laquon Treadwell / WR / Ole Miss - What have the 49ers done over the last two years that has made any sense? Nothing. Both of the QB's they would have taken are off the board after picks #1 and #2. They have shown quite a bit of interest in Treadwell having had multiple private meetings with him and being present at his Pro Day. They take him here. They have holes all over the place so it doesn't really matter.

8. Philadelphia Eagles - Ezekiel Elliott / RB / Ohio St. - Elliott is a do everything RB who can be on the field for all three downs in the NFL. He's big, fast, strong, can catch the ball, and can block. He has the potential to make a big impact for this offense as a rookie.

9. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Emmanuel Ogbah / DE / Oklahoma St. - There has been quite a bit of interaction between the team and player between workouts and meetings. Ogbah definitely fills a need on the DL and has all of the athletic ability in the world. He also was a force on the field for Ok. St. last year notching 17.5 tfl's to go along with 13 sacks and 3 FF's.

10. New York Giants - Shaq Lawson / DE / Clemson - They just spent a ton of money in FA, but they still don't know what they will get from Pierre-Paul. Shaq Lawson is excellent at what he does, disrupting offenses. Whether he is getting to the QB or stuffing a RB behind the line the guy makes plays. He had 25.5 tfl's and 12.5 sacks, That's a football player.

11. Chicago Bears - Ronnie Stanley / OT / Notre Dame - The Bears OL has been looking for something that works for a long time. You know what would work? Draft Ronnie Stanley, plug him in at LT, and don't worry about your QB's blindside again. At his floor he will be better than what they have. At his ceiling he will be an All Pro.

12. New Orleans Saints - Vernon Hargreaves / CB / Florida - The Saints secondary is turrible, juss turrible. *Charles Barkley voice* Hargreaves will help to change that. He should be a Day 1 starter for one of last year's poorest units in the league.

13. Miami Dolphins - DeForest Buckner / DE / Oregon - They try another Oregon product, only without trading up this time. Buckner has the size and skillset to either play outside or on the interior of the DL. The team still doesn't know what Wake will be able to give them coming off an achilles injury either. They also might want to rid themselves of Wake's contract altogether. They signed Mario Williams also, but will they get Jekyll or Hyde? Buckner would be considered a draft day slide if he fell here by many, but the slide is now over.

14. Oakland Raiders - Sheldon Rankins / DT / Louisville - The Raiders haven't missed out on much this offseason, but they did miss out on Malik Jackson. They now draft a player to fill the interior defensive line. This is a team on the rise and Rankins is just another piece to the puzzle for Jack Del Rio's squad.

15. Los Angeles Rams - Mackensie Alexander / CB / Clemson - They lost Janoris Jenkins in FA to the Giants so there is a hole opposite Trumaine Johnson. There are concerns about Alexander's lack of INT's, but he is on WR's like white on rice when healthy and on the field. The whole complexion of the NC game changed when he went off the field for Clemson.

16. Detroit Lions - Vernon Butler / DT / Louisiana Tech - They have basically been drooling over the guy since the offseason process got underway. Senior Bowl, workouts, combine, private meetings. Now the only thing left to do is draft the guy.

17. Atlanta Falcons - Leonard Floyd / OLB / Georgia - Dan Quinn needs guys who can get to the QB and Floyd is still on the board. He won't have to pack up and move very far going from the University of Georgia to the Atlanta Falcons.

18. Indianapolis Colts - Jack Conklin / OT / Michigan St. - Andrew Luck has suffered behind a horrid OL for years. If they don't get it fixed then his shelf life will be that much shorter than other franchise QB's in this league. Conklin is a step in the right direction.

19. Denver Broncos (via Buffalo Bills) - Paxton Lynch / QB / Memphis - Elway doesn't want to come up off of the money for Colin Kaepernick despite just moving Clady in a trade with the Jets. They lost Osweiler in FA and have been scrambling ever since. They draft Lynch and they have a guy to work with for at least the next 4 years. Elway is good with swapping first round picks with the Bills and giving up their 2nd to make this move as his team is still pretty loaded with talent across the board.

20. Tennessee Titans (via New York Jets) - Taylor Decker / OT / Ohio St. - Protecting Mariota is going to be huge for Tennessee. They have Taylor Lewan, but I believe he is viewed as more of a RT of the future for them. So they basically get an All Pro for their DL and a LT along with more to come from their trade down with the Jets.

21. Washington Redskins - A'Shawn Robinson / DT / Alabama - Robinson experiences what some might view as a draft day slide landing with the Redskins @ #21, but he lands with a team that has a need and he can make an immediate impact for.

22. Houston Texans - William Fuller / WR / Notre Dame - Hopkins is a beast. Just think if he had another threat opposite him that could take the lid off the of the coverage blanket around him. They went out and signed a big, strong armed QB and now add the elite speed threat at WR to compliment their All Pro WR. This offense has the potential to be scary next year.

23. Minnesota Vikings - Josh Doctson / WR / TCU - Greg Jennings didn't work out. Mike Wallace didn't work out. Charles Johnson fell off the map last year. Stephon Diggs came out of nowhere to have a solid season, but they still need help for Bridgewater. I think it is one of the better landing spots Doctson could have asked for.

24. Cincinnati Bengals - Jarran Reed / DT / Alabama - Cincy could use some help along the DL as well as at WR. They signed Brandon LaFell so I think they wait to the 2nd and grab a WR. Here they get one of the most solid DT prospects in the draft. He's not really disruptive, but he is a space eater who plays the run well. A nice compliment to Geno Atkins.

25. Pittsburgh Steelers - William Jackson / CB / Houston - He absolutely lit it up at the combine and you could say he helped his stock the most out of anyone. He's fast, fluid, and showed well on the field. Pittsburgh's secondary is in need of playmakers and get themselves one here.

26. Seattle Seahawks - Germain Ifedi / OT / Texas A&M - The Seahawks have a glaring need at OT despite who they've signed in FA. You have a franchise QB and no matter how mobile he is you still need to protect him. They lost Okung in FA and the OL needs work so Ifedi is an extremely logical choice here.

27. Green Bay Packers - Reggie Ragland / LB / Alabama - The Packers are going to be shifting Clay Matthews back to the outside this year and Ragland is the top ILB prospect on the board. He is a plug and play starter for them. Easy choice.

28. Kansas City Chiefs - Keanu Neal / S / Florida - A hard hitting Safety to pair with Eric Berry in the defensive backfield. The signing of Mitchell Schwartz allows them to wait until at least the 2nd to address the OL.

29. Arizona Cardinals - Eli Apple / CB / Ohio St. - Mathieu is coming off of another ACL surgery and Peterson basically stands alone. They traded for Chandler Jones so a pass rusher isn't as high on the list anymore either. I think this makes a lot of sense and would also help Apple's development to be brought up by two the two CB's aforemetioned.

30. Carolina Panthers - Su'a Cravens / S / USC - The Panthers have shown a lot of interest in the USC product. He's a bigger in the box type of Safety, but he has the coverage skills as well. He played LB at USC, but has said he wants to play Safety in the NFL. His versatility will just add to an already stout defense.

31. Buffalo Bills (via Denver Broncos) - Darron Lee / LB / Ohio St. - Moved back to the last pick in the first round, while picking up a 2nd, and STILL able to grab one of the most versatile LB's in the draft. Lee can be a three down player for this defense and helps fill a position of need. The Bills will also now have 5 more picks in the next three rounds of the draft. WIN!

Great job putting together this mock. I think the Bills can get two 2nds from Den one this yr one next, or at least a 3rd next yr in this deal.

 

What's great bout this trade is I can count another 7/10 players that are still on the board that wouldn't mind taking if Lee was off the board. Billings, Correa, Knemdiche just to name a few.

 

How bout this scenario. We take Cook at #31 and trade him to the Rams for #41/43 that would give us 4 2nd rd pks. 41/43/49/64. Imagine the type of show Whaley can put on with these pks. We can go best available at every pk. Players like Billings, Correa, Hunter Henry, Chris Jones and Knemdiche are still on the board. This would be masterful. I don't think I would be able to sleep that night, lol

 

These trades are doable pk #31 will be in demand For that 5th yr teams will be seeking if they want to trade for Cook there gonna have to pay.

Edited April 11, 2016 by NastyNateSoldiers

[ALF]

Mo will be difficult to trade because he wants a massive long term contract. Even for a team with cap space it is a deep draft for DL.

 

Mo might play thru his tag and if no trade is possible, FA , just too expensive

 

I think the Jets try to move up for Lynch maybe ahead of Rams.

 

This will be one very interesting draft.

Edited April 11, 2016 by ALF

[Wayne Cubed]

Dodd is OK, but he benefitted much from the space eater bedside him in Reader and the attention given to Lawson. His NC performance was against the weakest link of the Alabama OL.

 

 

Or maybe Lawson benefitted from Reader inside as well. The fact is both players had limited playing time prior to the 2015 season but Dodd finished the year strong. Give me Dodds height and length over Lawson, which will translate better to the pro game. I don't think Lawson will be an effective pass rusher in the NFL because as the games wear on, he seems to get tired and gives less effort. He isn't very explosive off the line either. Whereas Dodd is relentless and is always aware of the plays and where the ball is go. He's a good run defender. I see him as an excellent replacement for Mario.

 

Don't get me wrong, Lawson is a nice/solid player, I just happen to think Dodd is the better pro prospect of the 2.

Edited April 11, 2016 by Wayne Cubed

[GunnerBill]

 

 

Or maybe Lawson benefitted from Reader inside as well. The fact is both players had limited playing time prior to the 2015 season but Dodd finished the year strong. Give me Dodds height and length over Lawson, which will translate better to the pro game. I don't think Lawson will be an effective pass rusher in the NFL because as the games wear on, he seems to get tired and gives less effort. He isn't very explosive off the line either. Whereas Dodd is relentless and is always aware of the plays and where the ball is go. He's a good run defender. I see him as an excellent replacement for Mario.

 

Don't get me wrong, Lawson is a nice/solid player, I just happen to think Dodd is the better pro prospect of the 2.

 

Have to strongly disagree I am afraid. Lawson has elite speed at the position and whilst he isn't necessarily a technique rusher he will beat NFL linemen with explosion off the edge. Love the way he uses his arms, gets nice extension to get off blocks and has a really strong lower body to keep his legs moving as he powers off blocks. Does he have a habit of wearing down towards the end of games? Yes, but with NFL conditioning that isn't a big concern for me.

 

I don't have a first round grade on Dodd. It isn't that I don't rate him - I think he is a good player, and a second round prospect. If he is there at the end of the first in a trade back scenario I'd be comfortable with him as our pick. I don't love him as our pick at #19. I think he is solid against the run (though does have a tendency to over pursue at times) but he was beating college tackles with quick hands in a way that I think he will struggle to do against better talent in the NFL. He doesn't have that same elite speed that allows Lawson to win but I do not envisage Dodd ever being a double digit sack guy in the National Football League. Think he struggles to get off down blocks and he also whiffed on way too many tackles for me. When you get to your guy in the NFL you have to get them on the ground - because if you don't the play isn't just a risk of a 1st down, it is the risk of a touchdown. To me his best fit is in a team that has a 4-3 front and has a real explosive pass rusher on the opposite end, because Dodd will play with solid fundamentals and be in a position to sweep up when busted plays are forced in his direction.

[Wayne Cubed]

 

Have to strongly disagree I am afraid. Lawson has elite speed at the position and whilst he isn't necessarily a technique rusher he will beat NFL linemen with explosion off the edge. Love the way he uses his arms, gets nice extension to get off blocks and has a really strong lower body to keep his legs moving as he powers off blocks. Does he have a habit of wearing down towards the end of games? Yes, but with NFL conditioning that isn't a big concern for me.

 

I don't have a first round grade on Dodd. It isn't that I don't rate him - I think he is a good player, and a second round prospect. If he is there at the end of the first in a trade back scenario I'd be comfortable with him as our pick. I don't love him as our pick at #19. I think he is solid against the run (though does have a tendency to over pursue at times) but he was beating college tackles with quick hands in a way that I think he will struggle to do against better talent in the NFL. He doesn't have that same elite speed that allows Lawson to win but I do not envisage Dodd ever being a double digit sack guy in the National Football League. Think he struggles to get off down blocks and he also whiffed on way too many tackles for me. When you get to your guy in the NFL you have to get them on the ground - because if you don't the play isn't just a risk of a 1st down, it is the risk of a touchdown. To me his best fit is in a team that has a 4-3 front and has a real explosive pass rusher on the opposite end, because Dodd will play with solid fundamentals and be in a position to sweep up when busted plays are forced in his direction.

 

Agree to disagree than.

 

Lawson may have elite top-speed but his reaction and explosion of the ball is not. He leans on defenders too much as well and is quick to engage an offensive tackle and not pay attention with whats going on with the play. He's also not very flexible and relies more on a bull rush than any sort of athletic pass rush. He very rarely won against a tackle coming around the corner either.... there's that explosion. Look, his combine numbers look fast but the tape doesn't lie, he just wasn't as quick off the snap. His hand technique isn't great either and he needs to work on that.

 

Whats concerning about all of that, is a lot of it can be fixed but this is a guy who has known to loaf it and take some plays off. Does that seem like a guy who will really want to work on it in the NFL? We will soon find out.

 

There are questions with both of these players with their immediate rise in 2015 but I just happen to like Dodd's size and length. He needs some work, so does Lawson but on the field he has a very high motor and doesn't give up on plays. I think the work ethic is there for Dodd.

 

EDIT: I still think Lawson goes before Dodd but I like Dodd as a prospect more and I think he goes 1st round.

Edited April 11, 2016 by Wayne Cubed

[GunnerBill]

Yep, we will agree to disagree. That is why evaluating talent in the NFL is an art not a science. Wouldn't surprise me if both are all over different teams' boards given, as you say, that 2015 was a breakout year for both.

[H2o]

I see Dodd more as a Robert Ayers type of player. Solid, but never puts up great numbers as far as sack production in the NFL(note: Ayers is coming off of a career year in sacks for him, but has been pedestrian otherwsise). I think Lawson has the ability to be on a Pierre-Paul level and get 15+ sacks. He has a great first step, good length, bends well, and has a quickness to get OT's off balance so he can use his leverage to shoot a gap. That's just me. Like I said before, Dodd's hype didn't really grow until he ate the Alabama RT for lunch in the NC game and they made mention numerous times of how that was the weak spot on the Alabama OL all year long. That guy looked completely lost out there.

Edited April 11, 2016 by H2o