John from Riverside Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 Charles Clay should've been option #2, but Tyrod had problems locating/hitting him in the middle of field. I honestly thought that Tyrod worked the middle of the field better as the season went on.
yungmack Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 I would rather have AJ McCarron than Hogan, Hackenberg, Prescott, or Cook. If Cincy comes calling for #19 then see if they are willing to make the trade. I suspect you haven't watched Hogan very much. Living in Los Angeles, I've seen him a ton of times. I don't regard him as a franchise QB but he's head and shoulders better than Hackenberg, Cook and McCarron. It's not even close. I haven't seen enough of Prescott to give an opinion.
3rdand12 Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 Charles Clay should've been option #2, but Tyrod had problems locating/hitting him in the middle of field. yep and Hogan and Woods. next year should be better
machine gun kelly Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 I really liked the article by Dunne on Kevin Hogan. He makes good points on Hogan being pro ready, running Roman's offense, knows he'll sit for a year, is working on his footwork, and so on. I just worry a guy like Cardale Jones will be like EJ Manuel, and never get it with accuracy and timing. Hogan could have also a year to put 20 lbs. of muscle to get to 235 lbs. He has the height and hand size.
dave mcbride Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 I really liked the article by Dunne on Kevin Hogan. He makes good points on Hogan being pro ready, running Roman's offense, knows he'll sit for a year, is working on his footwork, and so on. I just worry a guy like Cardale Jones will be like EJ Manuel, and never get it with accuracy and timing. Hogan could have also a year to put 20 lbs. of muscle to get to 235 lbs. He has the height and hand size. Yeah, good piece. He seems like a sensible pick in rd 3 -- provided he's there.
JM57 Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 Yeah, good piece. He seems like a sensible pick in rd 3 -- provided he's there. Round 4 comp pick. I'd be very surprised if he was a day 2 pick.
mannc Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 Hogan might have the highest floor of any QB in this draft. The question is his ceiling. I would be happy if the Bills end up with Jones, Hogan or Prescott, in that order. I also see them coming off the board in that order, with Jones going as high as round 2. I originally thought Hogan was a late day 3 guy, but I now expect someone to take him in the third round. He does seem like a great fit for the Bills.
Blokestradamus Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 It's like I'm in the twilight zone. Kevin Hogan fails the most basic premises of being a quarterback. Want his smarts? Hire him as a coach.
2003Contenders Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 (edited) I've been saying repeatedly that I hope the Bills actually grab 2 QBs in this draft, one that may be developmental but has tons of upside (say, Cardale Jones) -- and one that has a high floor but possibly limited upside like Hogan. In Hogan I see a guy that is probably going to be a career backup -- but who you can trust and rely on to know his playbook and execute an offense. He's the type of guy who can likely fill that #2 role from day one. In essence, Hogan would be EJ's replacement (recall EJ is a free agent after this year). The developmental QB would be a guy you groom and work with for a couple of years as the #3 -- if he shows no progress then you drop him and find another one. Edited April 24, 2016 by 2003Contenders
mannc Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 (edited) It's like I'm in the twilight zone. Kevin Hogan fails the most basic premises of being a quarterback. That must be why he was a four-year starter at one of the top programs in the country under one of the best coaches in the country, where he did nothing but win and complete a ridiculous percentage of his passes in a pro-style offense. He can also run, and he never was injured. Oh, I forgot--he's got kind of a funny throwing motion. Edited April 24, 2016 by mannc
Blokestradamus Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 That must be why he was a four-year starter at one of the top programs in the country under one of the best coaches in the country, where he did nothing but win and complete a ridiculous percentage of his passes in a pro-style offense. Oh, I forgot--he's got kind of a funny throwing motion. Remember the last QB that had a weird throwing motion and had the 'all he does is win' fanfare behind him? Yeah, that worked out well.
mannc Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 Remember the last QB that had a weird throwing motion and had the 'all he does is win' fanfare behind him? Yeah, that worked out well. If you think there are any parallels to be drawn between hogan and Timmy T then you have not seen many Stanford games in the past four years.
Blokestradamus Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 If you think there are any parallels to be drawn between hogan and Timmy T then you have not seen many Stanford games in the past four years. Everything you mentioned was about Stanford as a team and not Kevin Hogan as a quarterback. I'd venture to say that I'm not the one that needs to watch more football.
mannc Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 Everything you mentioned was about Stanford as a team and not Kevin Hogan as a quarterback. I'd venture to say that I'm not the one that needs to watch more football. Then you did not read what I wrote.
GunnerBill Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 Remember the last QB that had a weird throwing motion and had the 'all he does is win' fanfare behind him? Yeah, that worked out well. I don't see any similarities at all between Hogan and Tebow.
mannc Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 I don't see any similarities at all between Hogan and Tebow. They are both white quarterbacks who won a lot of games in college. Therefore, Hogan won't cut it in the pros.
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 That must be why he was a four-year starter at one of the top programs in the country under one of the best coaches in the country, where he did nothing but win and complete a ridiculous percentage of his passes in a pro-style offense. He can also run, and he never was injured. Oh, I forgot--he's got kind of a funny throwing motion. I hate bashing a guy who seems like a good dude and had a good career. But he was Trent Dilfer. The "all he did is win" in college is one of the biggest jokes around. Tons of guys "win" in college. Stanford is loaded. They are constantly turning out NFL players. I think you could plug any decent qb into their team and they would win. And that fact that he is playing for David Shaw is actually a knock against Higan because he might receive worse coaching on the NFL level. I think he is a backup at absolute best. Possibly a 3rd stringer. He wasn't asked to carry Stanford. I respect him for what he did but watch how many screens he threw to McCafferny that became 50 yard gainers. While there is value in having a backup qb, I hate the idea of spending a draft pick on one. I'd rather swing for the fences with Jones. The NFL is loaded with backup and 3rd string qbs. Jmo obviously. I don't see any similarities at all between Hogan and Tebow. They are different players but there are similarities. I think Hogan and Tebow got way too much credit for their team's success. Both teams are loaded with talent and NFL players. Also, the throwing motion is a legit concern. Hogan did not have a big arm in No Cali. Imagine that arm in November or December (3 home games this year!). That said, he is the best screen throwing qb in the draft.
GunnerBill Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 I have watched a lot of Hogan. I am consistent in my opinion of him. I think he could be a Fitzpatrick or Hoyer level "worst starter but best backup" level QB.
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 I have watched a lot of Hogan. I am consistent in my opinion of him. I think he could be a Fitzpatrick or Hoyer level "worst starter but best backup" level QB. I don't ever see him being a NFL starter except for an injury to a starter. Fitz has been forced to carry NFL teams for stretches, which he struggles to do consistently. Hogan was not asked to carry his college team. I guess we'll see because you never know with Qbs. But I just don't see it.
3rdand12 Posted April 24, 2016 Posted April 24, 2016 Round 4 comp pick. I'd be very surprised if he was a day 2 pick. even better !
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