North Carolina GOP Block Gay Anti-Discrimintion Law

[DC Tom]

These culture war issues, so inconsequential yet so loud.

 

We have now raised to the level of constitutional law the question of where, precisely, people should be allowed to take a ****.

[Deranged Rhino]

These culture war issues, so inconsequential yet so loud.

 

 

 

We have now raised to the level of constitutional law the question of where, precisely, people should be allowed to take a ****.

 

It's almost as if they don't want people paying attention to the things that are really going to affect the lives of Americans: the election (I mean coronation), TPP/TTIP, the continual erosion of our right to privacy and due process, oh and the fact we're actively fighting in Yemen, Syria, and Iraq.

[boyst]

close contest between this and an informal poll of minor league stock car race fans....

mind if I pop a squat next to your 8 yr old? Mind if she seese tuck my micro phalace in my silk panties?

 

Of course that's beside the point. And you'll say youndont let your daughter go to bathroom alone or some tangential nonsense birddog type ****.

 

But nothing says in the constitution that people who pretend to be another sex are protected. Sure, you can get your manhood lobbed off and change your birth certificate and that's different.

 

By the way, I learned this on stern. Why do gay dudes who don't even use it have the biggest dongs?

[boyst]

 

 

 

It's almost as if they don't want people paying attention to the things that are really going to affect the lives of Americans: the election (I mean coronation), TPP/TTIP, the continual erosion of our right to privacy and due process, oh and the fact we're actively fighting in Yemen, Syria, and Iraq.

I just had a brainstorm light go off. I say we allow transgendered to use bathroom but stream it on myfreecams only. That way we generate money, exploit people the american way and satisfy the minority - which is what it is all about. Shirley, some small percent wants to see trannies make bowel movements.

[ALF]

There are nearly 700,000 transgender individuals in the U.S., or 0.3% of the adult population.

• Of those who identify as transgender, a majority have taken some steps to transition from one gender to another

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Transgender-by-the-numbers-2342726.php

It would be common sense to only allow those who have transitioned over to use a different bathroom or locker room shower from there birth gender. Otherwise the perverts that are not transgender will exploit these crazy new rules. JMO

A more recent article

(From 2002 to 2013, the Social Security Administration required proof that genital surgery had been completed before people could change their sex in official records, but it no longer does.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/09/upshot/the-search-for-the-best-estimate-of-the-transgender-population.html

Edited May 10, 2016 by ALF

[B-Man]

Here's where we are thanks to the Left......................

 

The Obama Administration Provokes a Legal Crisis — the War against North Carolina

by David French

The state of North Carolina and the federal government are now in a state of declared legal war. On Wednesday afternoon, the Obama administration sent a letter to North Carolina governor Pat McCrory demanding that the state “not comply with or enforce H.B. 2,” its so-called transgender bathroom law. According to the letter, a state requirement that people use the bathrooms reserved for their biological sex violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The Department of Justice gave the state until today, May 9, to assure the federal government that men can use women’s restrooms and showers in state facilities.

Today, the state answered the Department of Justice — with a lawsuit. In its complaint, filed in federal court, North Carolina accuses the DOJ of engaging in a “baseless and blatant overreach,” an “attempt to rewrite long-established federal civil rights laws in a manner that is wholly inconsistent with the intent of Congress and disregards decades of statutory interpretation by the courts.” Simply put, Title VII does not establish “transgender status” as a protected class, and any effort to do so by executive fiat violates the law.

Then the DOJ escalated again. At an afternoon news conference, Attorney General Loretta Lynch announced a “significant law enforcement” action — its own lawsuit. At the same time, Lynch indicated that the DOJ retained the authority to federal funding to key state entities, issuing a not-so-veiled threat of dramatic action before the courts issue a definitive ruling. At the same time, she preposterously compared the act of preserving bathrooms for people of the same sex to, of course, “Jim Crow” and hearkened back to the days of segregated water fountains.

A public-relations battle over bathrooms and showers has transformed into a fight over the meaning and indeed authority of the Constitution itself. In its zeal to advance the sexual revolution, the Obama administration has defied the will of Congress, unilaterally rewritten federal law without even bothering to go through a statutory rulemaking process, and now seeks to bring a sovereign state to heel through a combination of threats and lawsuits.

Let’s make this simple. Title VII prohibits private and public employers (including state governments) from discriminating on the basis of “race, color, religion, sex, and national origin.” Title IX prohibits federally funded educational institutions from discriminating on the basis of “sex.” Neither statute prohibits sexual-orientation or gender-identity discrimination. For more than 20 years, LGBT activists have sought to amend federal law through the so-called Employment Non-Discrimination Act, a bill that would essentially add sexual orientation and gender identity as protected classes within federal nondiscrimination law. For more than 20 years, LGBT activists have failed. ENDA hasn’t passed even when Democrats controlled the presidency and both houses of Congress.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435182/north-carolina-bathroom-law-obama-justice-department-governor-pat-mccrory-lawsuit

 

 

 

 

 

Obama’s Lawsuit Against North Carolina Isn’t About Civil Rights. It’s About Crushing Dissent

 

Some of us care little about the debate over public bathrooms. We do, however, care about the ongoing destruction of federalism, individual choice, and good-faith debate.

One reliable way to quash dissent and force moral codes on others is to liken your cause to that of the civil rights fight. Every liberal issue is situated somewhere on the great historical arc of “equality” and “justice.” If a person stands against even one of these causes—which were once great but are increasingly trivial—they have, according to the cultural imperialists of the Obama administration, aligned themselves with the Klan. Literally.

 

After U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch announced that the Department of Justice had filed a federal lawsuit to stop North Carolina from passing a “controversial law”—this is the go-to characterization of conservative bills that pass with healthy majorities—requiring transgender people to use public bathrooms matching their birth certificate, she had this to say:

 

This is not the first time that we have seen discriminatory responses to historic moments of progress for our nation. We saw it in the Jim Crow laws that followed the Emancipation Proclamation; we saw it in the fierce and widespread resistance to Brown v. Board of Education; and we saw it in the proliferation of state bans on same-sex unions that were intended to stifle any hope that gay and lesbian Americans might one day be afforded the right to marry.

 

 

 

Likening a spat over biologically segregated boy/girl bathrooms to the genuine, violent, systematic, state-sponsored, society-wide bigotry that took place in this country for a century is both intellectually and morally corrupt. It’s not all a continuum. Yet this administration peddles these kinds of risible comparisons in the cause of self-aggrandizement all the time. Hans Fiene has coined it Selma envy.

 

 

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Edited May 10, 2016 by B-Man

[DC Tom]

 

Here's where we are thanks to the Left......................

 

The Obama Administration Provokes a Legal Crisis — the War against North Carolina

by David French

The state of North Carolina and the federal government are now in a state of declared legal war. On Wednesday afternoon, the Obama administration sent a letter to North Carolina governor Pat McCrory demanding that the state “not comply with or enforce H.B. 2,”

 

And that's really all you need to know right there. The Obama Administration believes laws aren't binding.

[birdog1960]

Do they have minor league stock car races there in Bristol?

they have them all over appalachia. I would be no more likely to gauge public opinion on crowd response at a race than I would at a lecture hall full of conferencing social workers in Charlottesville.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

 

It's almost as if they don't want people paying attention to the things that are really going to affect the lives of Americans: the election (I mean coronation), TPP/TTIP, the continual erosion of our right to privacy and due process, oh and the fact we're actively fighting in Yemen, Syria, and Iraq.

 

Insanity:

 

[Tiberius]

 

 

 

It's almost as if they don't want people paying attention to the things that are really going to affect the lives of Americans: the election (I mean coronation), TPP/TTIP, the continual erosion of our right to privacy and due process, oh and the fact we're actively fighting in Yemen, Syria, and Iraq.

You mean other people have issues you don't think they should care about? STFU you idiot

[TH3]

Here's where we are thanks to the Left......................

 

The Obama Administration Provokes a Legal Crisis — the War against North Carolina

by David French

The state of North Carolina and the federal government are now in a state of declared legal war. On Wednesday afternoon, the Obama administration sent a letter to North Carolina governor Pat McCrory demanding that the state “not comply with or enforce H.B. 2,” its so-called transgender bathroom law. According to the letter, a state requirement that people use the bathrooms reserved for their biological sex violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The Department of Justice gave the state until today, May 9, to assure the federal government that men can use women’s restrooms and showers in state facilities.

 

Today, the state answered the Department of Justice — with a lawsuit. In its complaint, filed in federal court, North Carolina accuses the DOJ of engaging in a “baseless and blatant overreach,” an “attempt to rewrite long-established federal civil rights laws in a manner that is wholly inconsistent with the intent of Congress and disregards decades of statutory interpretation by the courts.” Simply put, Title VII does not establish “transgender status” as a protected class, and any effort to do so by executive fiat violates the law.

Then the DOJ escalated again. At an afternoon news conference, Attorney General Loretta Lynch announced a “significant law enforcement” action — its own lawsuit. At the same time, Lynch indicated that the DOJ retained the authority to federal funding to key state entities, issuing a not-so-veiled threat of dramatic action before the courts issue a definitive ruling. At the same time, she preposterously compared the act of preserving bathrooms for people of the same sex to, of course, “Jim Crow” and hearkened back to the days of segregated water fountains.

A public-relations battle over bathrooms and showers has transformed into a fight over the meaning and indeed authority of the Constitution itself. In its zeal to advance the sexual revolution, the Obama administration has defied the will of Congress, unilaterally rewritten federal law without even bothering to go through a statutory rulemaking process, and now seeks to bring a sovereign state to heel through a combination of threats and lawsuits.

Let’s make this simple. Title VII prohibits private and public employers (including state governments) from discriminating on the basis of “race, color, religion, sex, and national origin.” Title IX prohibits federally funded educational institutions from discriminating on the basis of “sex.” Neither statute prohibits sexual-orientation or gender-identity discrimination. For more than 20 years, LGBT activists have sought to amend federal law through the so-called Employment Non-Discrimination Act, a bill that would essentially add sexual orientation and gender identity as protected classes within federal nondiscrimination law. For more than 20 years, LGBT activists have failed. ENDA hasn’t passed even when Democrats controlled the presidency and both houses of Congress.

 

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435182/north-carolina-bathroom-law-obama-justice-department-governor-pat-mccrory-lawsuit

 

 

 

 

 

Obama’s Lawsuit Against North Carolina Isn’t About Civil Rights. It’s About Crushing Dissent

 

Some of us care little about the debate over public bathrooms. We do, however, care about the ongoing destruction of federalism, individual choice, and good-faith debate.

One reliable way to quash dissent and force moral codes on others is to liken your cause to that of the civil rights fight. Every liberal issue is situated somewhere on the great historical arc of “equality” and “justice.” If a person stands against even one of these causes—which were once great but are increasingly trivial—they have, according to the cultural imperialists of the Obama administration, aligned themselves with the Klan. Literally.

 

After U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch announced that the Department of Justice had filed a federal lawsuit to stop North Carolina from passing a “controversial law”—this is the go-to characterization of conservative bills that pass with healthy majorities—requiring transgender people to use public bathrooms matching their birth certificate, she had this to say:

 

This is not the first time that we have seen discriminatory responses to historic moments of progress for our nation. We saw it in the Jim Crow laws that followed the Emancipation Proclamation; we saw it in the fierce and widespread resistance to Brown v. Board of Education; and we saw it in the proliferation of state bans on same-sex unions that were intended to stifle any hope that gay and lesbian Americans might one day be afforded the right to marry.

 

 

 

Likening a spat over biologically segregated boy/girl bathrooms to the genuine, violent, systematic, state-sponsored, society-wide bigotry that took place in this country for a century is both intellectually and morally corrupt. It’s not all a continuum. Yet this administration peddles these kinds of risible comparisons in the cause of self-aggrandizement all the time. Hans Fiene has coined it Selma envy.

 

 

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Puhlease - This law was nothing more than a bunch of people whose time has past grasping at the last straw...and now loving that the Feds got involved...and if you and your conservative beat writers don't see it as much you are simply blind...

[Deranged Rhino]

You mean other people have issues you don't think they should care about? STFU you idiot

 

That's not what I said. At all. But the fact you can't comprehend simple English isn't surprising to anyone.

[3rdnlng]

 

Puhlease - This law was nothing more than a bunch of people whose time has past grasping at the last straw...and now loving that the Feds got involved...and if you and your conservative beat writers don't see it as much you are simply blind...

Horseshit. The NC law was the answer to Charlotte's out of touch with the mainstream ordinance.

 

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article61786967.html

[B-Man]

 

Puhlease - This law was nothing more than a bunch of people whose time has past grasping at the last straw...and now loving that the Feds got involved...and if you and your conservative beat writers don't see it as much you are simply blind...

 

 

Your prejudice is of no surprise to those who read your posts.

 

Simply answer me this, would the North Carolina Assembly have passed the Hb2 bill (on a bi-partisan vote) if Charlotte had not passed their over-reaching bill ?

 

Hint: The answer is no.........it wasn't even on their radar.

 

 

 

 

Here's another "old person's" opinion...........Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg ................google her if you need to

 

 

One of the parade of imaginary horribles that opponents of the ERA threw at it back then was that it could lead to . . . integrated bathrooms! Nonsense, said the ERA’s advocates. It would never do anything that crazy.

Among the persons saying this prospect was a fantasy was. . . Ruth Bader Ginsberg, writing in the Washington Post in 1975 (great catch by Eugene Volokh on this story):

Sep

arate places to disrobe, sleep, perform personal bodily functions are permitted, in some situations required, by regard for individual privacy. Individual privacy, a right of constitutional dimension, is appropriately harmonized with the equality principle.

Here’s a scan of the original article from Eugene. Nowadays, as we learned today from the Obama Justice Department, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Title IX require that bathrooms be open to whatever being you decide you want to be. No new legislation required!

Eugene offers the proper coda:

But for now, I do think it’s worth noting that, when sex equality rules were championed in the 1970s, now-Justice Ginsburg — one

of the most prominent feminist lawyers of her era — rejected as “emphatically” unsound the argument that those rules might lead to males being allowed to use women’s restrooms.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/05/bathroom-wars-circa-1975.php

[birdog1960]

this is on the governor. if he really cared about the people in his state he'd never have considered this bill. modern, contemporary industries that care about public perception have already changed plans to locate in nc. they aren't going to reconsider anytime soon. it's not like nc is made up of interconnected research triangles. there are more than enough unemployed and underemployed people there. but let's make the bathroom habits of a tiny fraction of the population an issue with higher priority than high paying jobs and , oh, btw, public education which is the ultimate solution to better long term job prospects to those same people. it's a sorry state of affairs and educated people almost everywhere think less of the state of nc.

[B-Man]

this is on the governor. if he really cared about the people in his state he'd never have considered this bill. modern, contemporary industries that care about public perception have already changed plans to locate in nc. they aren't going to reconsider anytime soon. it's not like nc is made up of interconnected research triangles. there are more than enough unemployed and underemployed people there. but let's make the bathroom habits of a tiny fraction of the population an issue with higher priority than high paying jobs and , oh, btw, public education which is the ultimate solution to better long term job prospects to those same people. it's a sorry state of affairs and educated people almost everywhere think less of the state of nc.

 

 

Well since private industry is NOT required to follow the law, you might want to re-phrase portions of your lecture.

 

and again, again and again.

 

The Governor was not responsible for this.

 

He is being singled out by those on the left who hope to make him give in to economic blackmail.

 

He IS standing up for the state......see post 106

 

 

 

 

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[TH3]

 

 

Your prejudice is of no surprise to those who read your posts.

 

Simply answer me this, would the North Carolina Assembly have passed the Hb2 bill (on a bi-partisan vote) if Charlotte had not passed their over-reaching bill ?

 

Hint: The answer is no.........it wasn't even on their radar.

 

 

 

 

Here's another "old person's" opinion...........Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg ................google her if you need to

 

 

One of the parade of imaginary horribles that opponents of the ERA threw at it back then was that it could lead to . . . integrated bathrooms! Nonsense, said the ERA’s advocates. It would never do anything that crazy.

Among the persons saying this prospect was a fantasy was. . . Ruth Bader Ginsberg, writing in the Washington Post in 1975 (great catch by Eugene Volokh on this story):

Here’s a scan of the original article from Eugene. Nowadays, as we learned today from the Obama Justice Department, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Title IX require that bathrooms be open to whatever being you decide you want to be. No new legislation required!

Eugene offers the proper coda:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/05/bathroom-wars-circa-1975.php

 

1. So you are against local rule huh?

2. This has nothing to do with integrated bathrooms.

3. Chances are - T people have been going to whatever bathroom unnoticed for years - can you cite a complaint? Ever? Kinda like voter fraud....

 

 

Prejudice - I have prejudged? Let's see - state with history of slavery and bigotry against rights of blacks, gays and trans people....

 

Nah...pretty sure its just a bunch of angry white bible thumpers clinging and trying to pick a last fight.....with someone they see as less perfect than themselves....how historical....

[birdog1960]

 

 

Well since private industry is NOT required to follow the law, you might want to re-phrase portions of your lecture.

 

and again, again and again.

 

The Governor was not responsible for this.

 

He is being singled out by those on the left who hope to make him give in to economic blackmail.

 

He IS standing up for the state......see post 106

 

 

 

 

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it's not economic blackmail. these companies don't want to locate in a state run by neaderthals, petty imbeciles and anti-intellectuals. they don't want their brand sullied by such an association and I suspect many don't want to live in a place like that.

[IDBillzFan]

...and anti-intellectuals.

 

There you go again. Trying to pass yourself as the intellectual simply because your peers tell you that you're an intellectual with some words on a piece of paper.

 

You know what would be funny: if there were separate bathrooms for Intellectuals and Anti-intellectuals, and in order to go into the Intellectuals bathroom, you needed proof from the Intellectuals that you were, in fact, an intellectual.

 

I would pay to watch the look on your face the moment someone you deem to be anti-intellectual wants access to the Intellectuals bathroom simply because they identify as an Intellectual.

 

"You can't come in here!" you'd bellow. "You don't have proof you're an intellectual! You must have proof!"

 

You'd be front and center blocking their access. And feel justified. Because no matter how many times you believe your peers when they tell you you're an Intellectual, you're nothing but a different breed of imbecile and anti-intellectual who identifies as an intellectual.

[birdog1960]

paying teachers some of the lowest average wages in the country is anti-intellectual. driving teachers out of the state in hordes is anti-intellectual. dismissing the value of public education is anti intellectual. that's how they roll in nc. this has nothing to do with my personal intellect.