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The Bathroom Wars:

 

Jason Riley on Obama's effort to expand antidiscrimination laws: http://on.wsj.com/1Vb0oKv

 

 

 

 

An alternative idea to North Carolina’s HB2 and Charlotte’s bathroom ordinance

 

 

 

The North Carolina law to vacate Charlotte’s bathroom ordinance has got me wondering if there are ways to come up with solutions to bathroom ordinances without wasting time with new laws? It seems foolish to me to have the government get involved in “all the things” when there may be simpler solutions like tweaking certain policies here and there, instead of holding hearings and playing political football. The biggest is obviously what to do with public-use restrooms, and people are also going to question whether private businesses should be allowed to deny restroom access or not. This is a bit of a “middle ground” approach, but it’s one which might work if people take a deep breath and stop and think about it.

 

When it comes to public use facilities (aka government owned ones), the best solution may be having a bathroom monitor of some kind in every restroom. This means when someone walks into a bathroom at a government-owned building they see a police officer or security guard of the sex of the designated bathroom sitting on a stool by the inside of the door. If the officer believes the person going into the restroom is there for nefarious means, then they can be stopped and told to leave. This does NOT mean doing a bathroom version of “stop and frisk,” but simply allowing officers to give someone a once over as they enter. It might even prevent someone from trying to sneak into a public facility to install a camera or sexually assault someone because they’d know the law was tangibly there watching them.

 

The main problem with this idea is how does a female cop or security guard decide whether or not someone walking into the woman’s restroom is there to do harm. Can the “eye test” be seriously trusted or will bureaucrats get involved with either extremely high or low bars of “acceptance” for transgender people wanting to use the bathroom. One possible solution is installing a camera facing the door of every restroom, so if a complaint is lodged then there’s video which can prove the officer was in the right or in the wrong. That might cause a city or state to deal with a legal bill at least once, but I seriously doubt a situation like this would happen on a regular basis.

 

The private sector is even more simple: let individual businesses set their own bathroom policy. If it means Business A allows people into the bathroom of their gender (or gender choice), then fine. If it means Business B doesn’t, then that’s fine as well. It should also be completely acceptable for Business C to either not have bathrooms at all or have a single use bathroom either sex can go into one at a time. Businesses can also hire security guards to be a “bathroom monitor” if they want or assign employees to watch the bathrooms. But this shouldn’t be forced upon any private business because they should not be coerced to do something they don’t want to do. If people don’t like it, then they can first go talk to the manager or the owner about the problem. If that doesn’t solve the issue, then they can go to press, tell their friends, organize a protest, create a petition, etc. etc. It’s then up to the private business to decide whether they’ll keep their policy in place or change it to adhere to the wishes of the other side. There are options for people who believe they’ve been wronged to ask for a change in policy, without getting the government involved.

 

This idea isn’t perfect and will probably make one side or the other angry (or both). Obviously there are people on both sides of the bathroom issue who want to shove their beliefs down the throats of the other side. There are also logistical issues, and how people will react when they discover what the policy is or isn’t. All this shows is there are other options out there, outside of just passing one law after another in hopes of “solving” (or complicating) a problem.

 

Yes, it does tend to expose hypocrisy from certain people on the Left when they decide to act all high and mighty about a law in the U.S. only to go to a country where certain behavior is banned outright (looking at you Bryan Adams).

 

But this at least is a bit of a middle ground which will allow both sides to enjoy a certain kind of victory, and protect the individual freedoms of private businesses who shouldn’t be under the auspices of government anyway. It also destroys the narrative of the Left that all the Right wants to do is get into the private lives of others.

 

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From The Onion, right?

 

 

No.

 

You might want to re-read.

 

 

 

 

Also, I thought perhaps the deceitful title that Gator gave this thread should be addressed.

 

There was no law blocked, but a new (clarifying) law passed.

 

These 11 North Carolina democrats voted for the bathroom law.

 

Rep William D. Brisson, NC-22 (Bladen, Johnston, Sampson) (south of Raleigh, and east/south of Fayetteville)

Rep Elmer Floyd, NC-43 (Cumberland) (Fayetteville)

Rep Charles Graham, NC-47 (Robeson) (Southwest of Fayetteville)

Rep George Graham, NC-12 (Craven, Greene, Lenoir) (Southeast/South of Wilson)

Rep Ken Goodman, NC-66 (Hoke, Montgomery, Richmond, Robeson, Scotland) (east of Charlotte, west of Fayetteville)

Rep Howard J. Hunter III, NC-5 (Bertie, Gates, Hertford, Pasquotank) (northeastern NC, NE of Rocky Mount)

Rep Larry M. Bell, NC-21 (Duplin, Sampson, Wayne) (south-southwest of Wilson, east of Fayetteville)

Rep Garland E. Pierce, NC-48 (Hoke, Richmond, Robeson, Scotland) (southwest of Fayetteville)

Rep Brad Salmon, NC-51 (Harnett, Lee) (southwest of Raleigh)

Rep William O. Richardson, NC-44 (Cumberland) (appointed 9/1/2015) (Fayetteville)

Rep Michael H. Wray, NC-27 (Halifax, Northampton) (Rocky Mount area)

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Tar Heel Tatters: LGBT Law strips the state of business and investments

 

As Connecticut makes overtures to lure away Bank of America from its long-established headquarters in Charlotte, has North Carolina's reputation already gone from Tar Heel to tarnished?

North Carolina's divisive new LGBT law is leading to massive nationwide fallout, and multi-billion-dollar companies continue to withdraw investment from the state as some residents decamp to "friendlier" locations.

Bipartisan legislators from Connecticut sent a letter to the nation's second-largest bank this month, inviting Bank of America to "move to a state that shares its social values and supports its LGBT workforce." Economic developers in the liberal northeastern state are also circling a number of other established businesses in North Carolina.

 

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/tar-heel-tatters-lgbt-law-strips-state-business-investment-n556686

yeah, uhhh. boa is never leaving north carolina. how cute of nbc to try to stir up a story.

 

boa, wells, etc... big banks are in charlotte for a reason. good luck getting all of the damned yankees to go back up north to higher taxes, poorer climate, and all around not as cool of place as charlotte.

 

most do not realize the difference between a yankee and a damn yankee. a yankee visits the south. a damned yankee stays

 

 

 

No.

 

You might want to re-read.

 

 

 

 

Also, I thought perhaps the deceitful title that Gator gave this thread should be addressed.

 

There was no law blocked, but a new (clarifying) law passed.

 

These 11 North Carolina democrats voted for the bathroom law.

 

Rep William D. Brisson, NC-22 (Bladen, Johnston, Sampson) (south of Raleigh, and east/south of Fayetteville)

Rep Elmer Floyd, NC-43 (Cumberland) (Fayetteville)

Rep Charles Graham, NC-47 (Robeson) (Southwest of Fayetteville)

Rep George Graham, NC-12 (Craven, Greene, Lenoir) (Southeast/South of Wilson)

Rep Ken Goodman, NC-66 (Hoke, Montgomery, Richmond, Robeson, Scotland) (east of Charlotte, west of Fayetteville)

Rep Howard J. Hunter III, NC-5 (Bertie, Gates, Hertford, Pasquotank) (northeastern NC, NE of Rocky Mount)

Rep Larry M. Bell, NC-21 (Duplin, Sampson, Wayne) (south-southwest of Wilson, east of Fayetteville)

Rep Garland E. Pierce, NC-48 (Hoke, Richmond, Robeson, Scotland) (southwest of Fayetteville)

Rep Brad Salmon, NC-51 (Harnett, Lee) (southwest of Raleigh)

Rep William O. Richardson, NC-44 (Cumberland) (appointed 9/1/2015) (Fayetteville)

Rep Michael H. Wray, NC-27 (Halifax, Northampton) (Rocky Mount area)

it's not mecklenburg or wake, so according to those in the state it doesn't matter. and even buncombe county, for the matter

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yeah, uhhh. boa is never leaving north carolina. how cute of nbc to try to stir up a story.

 

boa, wells, etc... big banks are in charlotte for a reason. good luck getting all of the damned yankees to go back up north to higher taxes, poorer climate, and all around not as cool of place as charlotte.

 

most do not realize the difference between a yankee and a damn yankee. a yankee visits the south. a damned yankee stays

 

it's not mecklenburg or wake, so according to those in the state it doesn't matter. and even buncombe county, for the matter

 

I will defer to you all matters "Tarheel"

 

:thumbsup:

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I will defer to you all matters "Tarheel"

 

:thumbsup:

i don't know about **** when it comes to banking. except 1%, not too big to fail or something... oh and save our girls.

 

either way, i cannot imagine anyone being able to pull the switch on moving from charlotte. the infrastructure of banking in place is huge. but all of the banks in charlottes have other facilities across the country, and those are quite big, too.

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No.

 

You might want to re-read.

 

 

 

 

Also, I thought perhaps the deceitful title that Gator gave this thread should be addressed.

 

There was no law blocked, but a new (clarifying) law passed.

 

These 11 North Carolina democrats voted for the bathroom law.

 

Rep William D. Brisson, NC-22 (Bladen, Johnston, Sampson) (south of Raleigh, and east/south of Fayetteville)

Rep Elmer Floyd, NC-43 (Cumberland) (Fayetteville)

Rep Charles Graham, NC-47 (Robeson) (Southwest of Fayetteville)

Rep George Graham, NC-12 (Craven, Greene, Lenoir) (Southeast/South of Wilson)

Rep Ken Goodman, NC-66 (Hoke, Montgomery, Richmond, Robeson, Scotland) (east of Charlotte, west of Fayetteville)

Rep Howard J. Hunter III, NC-5 (Bertie, Gates, Hertford, Pasquotank) (northeastern NC, NE of Rocky Mount)

Rep Larry M. Bell, NC-21 (Duplin, Sampson, Wayne) (south-southwest of Wilson, east of Fayetteville)

Rep Garland E. Pierce, NC-48 (Hoke, Richmond, Robeson, Scotland) (southwest of Fayetteville)

Rep Brad Salmon, NC-51 (Harnett, Lee) (southwest of Raleigh)

Rep William O. Richardson, NC-44 (Cumberland) (appointed 9/1/2015) (Fayetteville)

Rep Michael H. Wray, NC-27 (Halifax , Northampton) (Rocky Mount area)

I was addressing the long quote "An Alternative Idea"...........

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The easiest solution is to get rid of public restrooms altogether.

 

We are the only industrialized (or un-industrialized) nation that requires that bathroom facilities for the public be available. (not to mention water too.) If it works for Europe...

 

Just get rid of the ordinance and let businesses decide if they want to deal with the possible lawsuits.

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The easiest solution is to get rid of public restrooms altogether.

 

We are the only industrialized (or un-industrialized) nation that requires that bathroom facilities for the public be available. (not to mention water too.) If it works for Europe...

 

Just get rid of the ordinance and let businesses decide if they want to deal with the possible lawsuits.

 

... I can't tell if I'm starting to like your trolling (it is funny), or if I'm starting to believe you actually believe this stuff.

Posted

 

... I can't tell if I'm starting to like your trolling (it is funny), or if I'm starting to believe you actually believe this stuff.

 

Either way, it's damn good ****.

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Take your !@#$ing All Star game and stick it up your lame asses.

 

http://www.gopusa.com/nba-allow-men-in-womens-restrooms-or-else-no-all-star-game/?omhide=true

 

“We’ve been, I think, crystal clear that we believe a change in the law is necessary for us to play in the kind of environment that we think is appropriate for a celebratory NBA event, but that we did have some time and that if the view of the people who were allied with us in terms of a change, if their view, the people on the ground in North Carolina, was that the situation would best be served by us not setting a deadline, we would not set a deadline at this time.”

 

The North Carolina law directs transgender people to use public toilets corresponding to the sex listed on their birth certificate. The law also excludes LGBT people from state anti-discrimination protections, blocks local governments from expanding LGBT protections, and bars all types of workplace discrimination lawsuits from state courts.

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The NBA threat over the All-Star Game is particularly amusing. The NBA (and its sister organization, the WNBA) apparently think bathroom access shouldn’t be based on biology, but basketball leagues should.

 

The NBA and WNBA, of course, are free to have gender-neutral basketball teams—and to have gender-neutral bathrooms at those games. That they are threatening the state to impose a policy that even they haven’t voluntarily adopted is the height of hypocrisy.

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