Beast Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...LMAO....the kind, caring and thoughtful Mayor that handed out masks to rioters in the spirit of Covid-19 protectionism.......guaranteed landslide re-election....the "land of 10,000 fakes".............. I think you know what I am getting at.
reddogblitz Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 3 hours ago, Penfield45 said: kids are being denied lunch bc they can't afford it where is this happening?
B-Man Posted June 7, 2020 Author Posted June 7, 2020 QUESTION ASKED AND ANSWERED: “Who is responsible for the mess in Minneapolis? The answer to that question is not unknowable — but it is, in many political quarters, unspeakable.” Minneapolis’s municipal government, its institutions, and its police department are what they are not because of the abstract Hegelian forces of capital-H History, but because of decisions that have been made by people. Who these people are is a matter of public record. We know their names: Jacob Frey, Betsy Hodges, R. T. Rybak, Sharon Sayles Belton, Medaria Arradondo, Janeé Harteau, Tim Walz, Mark Dayton . . . the rogues’ gallery is practically inexhaustible. But, oh, the transmuting magic of partisanship! Minneapolis is a Democratic city, with a Democratic mayor and a Democratic city council (0.0 Republicans on that body), in a state with a Democratic governor and a Democratic state house; these are the people who hire police chiefs and organize police departments, who specify their procedures and priorities, who write the laws that the police are tasked with enforcing — Democrats and progressives practically to a man. (Not every member of the Minneapolis city council is a Democrat — there’s a Green, too.) That’s a lot of lefty power, hardly anything except lefty power — but, somehow, the bad guy in this story must be Donald Trump. Read the whole thing. 1 1
Motorin' Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: He did, no argument. But he didn't misinterpret that. It was stated directly by the woman who asked the question: "we don't want no more police". Again, arguing (not you, the general you) that the word "defund" doesn't mean what it actually means is a very disingenuous position. Doubly so when half the crowd screaming it means EXACTLY that. It's a confusing message that's splitting the party rather than uniting it. That wouldn't have been enough in that moment. The crowd wanted him to say no more police. Full stop. That's what a contingent of this group wants to achieve. And when you suggest a rational solution, they will not hear it. Which boxes centrist democrats into a no win position entirely of their own making. The thing is, this was completely predictable in terms of No Chance Joe. Yet he was forced on the party by its elites regardless of his shortcomings. You should really ask yourself why that choice was made. I don't see anyone anywhere abolishing the police. So the call to defund can only reasonably be viewed as partial, not whole. Similar to deinstitutionalization, not all of the pysch hospitals were closed, and some of the budget from the closed institutions were reinvested in community mental health centers. I know there are people that want abolishment of the police just like there are people who want abolishment of all psychiatric hospitals. What is going to happen, in some localities, is a shift in police budget into the community... As far as No Chance Joe, you might have a point had Dick Cheney not established the VP role as defacto president. Biden's VP and cabinet will basically going to run the show, and everyone knows that... And yes, when it came down to Biden v Sanders the party elites threw their weight behind a life long insider who is committed to neo-liberal economics. No surprise there, that's who they are. Edited June 7, 2020 by Motorin' 1
Deranged Rhino Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 Just now, Motorin' said: I don't see anyone anywhere abolishing the police. So the call to defund can only reasonably be viewed as partial, not whole. You're missing the point. You're being reasonable. Many are not. Including the woman who asked the Boy Mayor that question. She was clear she did not mean a "partial" defunding. That's a serious messaging problem. 1 minute ago, Motorin' said: As far as No Chance Joe, you might have a point had Dick Cheney not established the VP role as defacto president. Biden's VP and cabinet is basically going to run the show, and everyone knows that... That's about as un-American and un-democratic as it gets. Modeling anything after Dick Cheney and thinking that's a winning strategy is dishonest to its core. (again not you, the general you) 3
reddogblitz Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, BillStime said: What seems to me to be bigger news than Colin Powell’s endorsement of Joe Biden is the way he calls out Republican senators and others who normalize the president’s actions. This focus on other elected officials is an increasing part of the anti-Trump movement. it's not complicated. Colin just likes people that are dumb enough to get snookered by W. People who lied to the American people to get America in a bad war resulting in the death of 1,000,000+ Brown people. You know, people like himself. 2 hours ago, Just Joshin' said: First thing I would change is the regulations that are imposed on districts with no benefit to the educational result. These are not student oriented but in fact hurt the children. thanks for serving on school board. as to the bolded, can you give is an example of a rule you would get rid of please? Edited June 7, 2020 by reddogblitz
Sig1Hunter Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 27 minutes ago, Capco said: Oh really? Since you know so much about my intentions, tell me, what do I intend to have for dinner tonight? Pointing out a scene where a woman respectfully asks "what's going to happen at 8, sir?" only to hear the response "what's gonna happen is we're gonna start beating the ***** out of you" isn't worthy of note? (that's the final clip in the montage, last 15 seconds if you want to quickly verify it). @Deranged Rhino Correct, there's a lot at play here. Emotions are high on all sides. That means mistakes are bound to happen. That doesn't mean we should excuse the mistakes entirely though. For the most part the officers around are doing a good job I think. The protesting in my area has all been peaceful, and cops have joined in on several occasions. Still, any cops (and protesters) not following protocol should be reprimanded accordingly. I think that's only fair. I stand corrected ma'am. As I said, I appreciate you clarifying the matter for me. It still doesn't explain the tire slashings and window smashings, etc. And when I asked about these things, I wasn't trying to be facetious. Just because I disagree with many posters here politically doesn't mean there isn't value to be had at times. Like just now. I was referring to the intentions of the makers of that video. And their intentions are clearly to inflame tensions. By you linking the video, that means your intentions were the same. Enjoy your dinner. 1 1
Capco Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Sig1Hunter said: I was referring to the intentions of the makers of that video. And their intentions are clearly to inflame tensions. By you linking the video, that means your intentions were the same. Enjoy your dinner. Oh my, I've found another poster with excellent logic and reasoning skills. It takes talent to be this level of reductionist. Since you are so good at knowing other people's intent, what were the cops intending to do when they slashed and smashed random, empty, parked cars?
Motorin' Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: You're missing the point. You're being reasonable. Many are not. Including the woman who asked the Boy Mayor that question. She was clear she did not mean a "partial" defunding. That's a serious messaging problem. That's about as un-American and un-democratic as it gets. Modeling anything after Dick Cheney and thinking that's a winning strategy is dishonest to its core. (again not you, the general you) The way Cheney made high level decisions without consulting or informing W was complete and utter bull####. Biden's going to delegate authority, and hopefully won't surround himself with anyone as vile Cheney.
BillStime Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 Clean up on aisle 45... Attorney General Barr is seeking to rewrite the narrative surrounding Trump’s controversial photo-op Trumps fixer trying to rewrite history. This administration is the biggest joke in American history. Thanks Trump voters!!!
Deranged Rhino Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 28 minutes ago, Motorin' said: The way Cheney made high level decisions without consulting or informing W was complete and utter bull####. Biden's going to delegate authority, and hopefully won't surround himself with anyone as vile Cheney. He's going to surround himself with the lieutenants from the Obama and Clinton machines. Both of which come from the same tree as Cheney. So, it's going to be real bad. 3
keepthefaith Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, BillStime said: Clean up on aisle 45... Attorney General Barr is seeking to rewrite the narrative surrounding Trump’s controversial photo-op Trumps fixer trying to rewrite history. This administration is the biggest joke in American history. Thanks Trump voters!!! Really? Trump's walking to the church is a problem? No matter where a President goes, the public is cleared out of the way. My gosh Obama had entire country clubs cleared and weddings cancelled so he could play a round of golf or two. These are fun things to criticize but in the grand scheme they're meaningless. If people want to criticize Trump for being fiscally irresponsible or for not making more progress on illegal immigration, now there you have something worth talking and writing about. Edited June 7, 2020 by keepthefaith 2
keepthefaith Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: He's going to surround himself with the lieutenants from the Obama and Clinton machines. Both of which come from the same tree as Cheney. So, it's going to be real bad. Yes for sure some of the wrong-doers from 2016 will find themselves back in government service. 1
BillStime Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 1 minute ago, keepthefaith said: Really? Trump's walking to the church is a problem? No matter where a President goes, the public is cleared out of the way. My gosh Obama had entire country clubs cleared and weddings cancelled so he could play a round of golf or two. These are fun things to criticize but in the grand scheme they're meaningless. If people want to criticize Trump for being fiscally irresponsible or for not making more progress on illegal immigration, now there you have something worth talking and writing about. Why is the fixer out trying to fix it?
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 56 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said: I was referring to the intentions of the makers of that video. And their intentions are clearly to inflame tensions. By you linking the video, that means your intentions were the same. Enjoy your dinner. To be fair, I post a lot of things here that I do not agree with, but I post them to promote a discussion. I cannot say whether or not that poster posted that incendiary video to promote a discussion or in agreement, just pointing out that some posters do post "the other side" or "no side" simply to solicit input/promote discussion. 1
Just Joshin' Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 1 hour ago, reddogblitz said: it's not complicated. Colin just likes people that are dumb enough to get snookered by W. People who lied to the American people to get America in a bad war resulting in the death of 1,000,000+ Brown people. You know, people like himself. thanks for serving on school board. as to the bolded, can you give is an example of a rule you would get rid of please? I have been off about 12 years but here is one example per your request. When doing a building project we had to select certain vendors as part pf the state aid. We could not select local, community based contractors who would have offered a lower cost. So the taxpayers paid more and the local community lost out on a source of revenue. Here is a great one.....we had a teacher commit a sexual offense with a student. The student was consensual but it was still illegal. He admitted to this but we were still required to suspend with pay until the state defined process played out. He was on the books for over a year and a half while the process paid out. Finally the state took his license (while the other legal issues continued) allowing us to fire him. 1
Sig1Hunter Posted June 7, 2020 Posted June 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Capco said: Oh my, I've found another poster with excellent logic and reasoning skills. It takes talent to be this level of reductionist. Since you are so good at knowing other people's intent, what were the cops intending to do when they slashed and smashed random, empty, parked cars? Dunno. I’m not willing to jump to a conclusion based on a video providing no context or information. What do you think they were doing?
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