Deranged Rhino Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 CCP Chris wants to doxx soldiers because he didn't get his race war. The enemies of this republic, and its people, are exposing themselves daily. Pay attention. 4 2
B-Man Posted June 5, 2020 Author Posted June 5, 2020 Like most Americans, I have gone from 1 to 10. 1 3
Jauronimo Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, LB3 said: Rioting is certainly more justified in one case. If protesting were the only issue there would be no issue. What freedoms are being taken away from United States citizens? Beijing cares nothing for the rights of it's citizens. Edit: @Jauronimo. Forgot to quote you. Changes in legislation, like amending extradition articles, justify protesting and rioting but inequality in the application of existing legislation does not qualify? The question isn't what freedoms are being taken away from Americans. The question is are the rights that Americans already have being protected and enforced equally for all Americans? And that likely explains the night and day difference in attitudes between the two threads. Much of PPP doesn't think their fellow citizens protesting perceived injustice have a legit case. Its not about the violence in the protest, or the looting, or law and order its about the validity of the underlying issue. I agree that Beijing cares nothing for the rights of their citizens. A significant portion of the American public believes their lives are less valuable in the eyes of their government.
The Poojer Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 there's a thread on the OTW page about backyard birding and i didn't want to derail that thread but did you know this week is 'Black Birders Week'? It's a real thing I guess 1 1
Deranged Rhino Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 You can't fight racism with more racism. It's just not possible to get a positive from a negative. But Marxists know this, and don't care. That's why they lie and couch their actual goals in things like "Critical Theory". 2 3 4
LB3 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Changes in legislation, like amending extradition articles, justify protesting and rioting but inequality in the application of existing legislation does not qualify? The question isn't what freedoms are being taken away from Americans. The question is are the rights that Americans already have being protected and enforced equally for all Americans? And that likely explains the night and day difference in attitudes between the two threads. Much of PPP doesn't think their fellow citizens protesting perceived injustice have a legit case. Its not about the violence in the protest, or the looting, or law and order its about the validity of the underlying issue. I agree that Beijing cares nothing for the rights of their citizens. A significant portion of the American public believes their lives are less valuable in the eyes of their government. The bolded is fair, speaking only for myself. Though I'll quibble that it makes no sense in any situation to destroy your own neighborhood and rob your own neighbors.
The Poojer Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 This is something i really don't have a problem with at all, it's way better than ruining buildings and still makes an impact. Plus i'd be a hypocrite if i was against it as I love the shamrock painted on the road in Tipp Hill in syracuse every saint patricks day...or green lines painted along parade routes. 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:
Deranged Rhino Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: It's a deliberate set up. She wants riots. They need to regain control of the news cycle. It's that shameless. 3
BuffaloHokie13 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, The Poojer said: This is something i really don't have a problem with at all, it's way better than ruining buildings and still makes an impact. Plus i'd be a hypocrite if i was against it as I love the shamrock painted on the road in Tipp Hill in syracuse every saint patricks day...or green lines painted along parade routes. As someone who works with DDOT and the district government daily, I don't love that the design obscures the crosswalk designations, but that's admittedly nitpicky. 2
Taro T Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Changes in legislation, like amending extradition articles, justify protesting and rioting but inequality in the application of existing legislation does not qualify? The question isn't what freedoms are being taken away from Americans. The question is are the rights that Americans already have being protected and enforced equally for all Americans? And that likely explains the night and day difference in attitudes between the two threads. Much of PPP doesn't think their fellow citizens protesting perceived injustice have a legit case. Its not about the violence in the protest, or the looting, or law and order its about the validity of the underlying issue. I agree that Beijing cares nothing for the rights of their citizens. A significant portion of the American public believes their lives are less valuable in the eyes of their government. Where are you getting the bolded? These protesters absolutely 100% have a right to protest. They do NOT have a right to riot, destroy property, nor injure/ kill people. There was never any doubt that the cops involved in George Floyd's MURDER were going to be brought to justice. They were fired after the incident; not put on administrative leave w/ or w/ out pay, but actually terminated. That implies that something serious was coming down the pike; and within a week it did. The cop that actually put the knee to his neck is now charged with 2nd degree (up from 3rd degree) murder and the others are being charged as accessories. So, though there may be a perception of unequal justice, it doesn't look that way from here. If you feel there is unequal justice there, feel free to join the protests. But those that are rioting and destroying things are screwing the people that live in those communities as it will be a long time, if ever, before those communities have access to the services that will no longer be provided. They have lowered the quality of life in those communities. Let's hope they didn't also subject the people still in those communities to another round of COVID-19 infections. They don't need that on top of everything else. 2
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: It's a deliberate set up. She wants riots. They need to regain control of the news cycle. It's that shameless. Yup.
4merper4mer Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Taro T said: Where are you getting the bolded? These protesters absolutely 100% have a right to protest. They do NOT have a right to riot, destroy property, nor injure/ kill people. There was never any doubt that the cops involved in George Floyd's MURDER were going to be brought to justice. They were fired after the incident; not put on administrative leave w/ or w/ out pay, but actually terminated. That implies that something serious was coming down the pike; and within a week it did. The cop that actually put the knee to his neck is now charged with 2nd degree (up from 3rd degree) murder and the others are being charged as accessories. So, though there may be a perception of unequal justice, it doesn't look that way from here. If you feel there is unequal justice there, feel free to join the protests. But those that are rioting and destroying things are screwing the people that live in those communities as it will be a long time, if ever, before those communities have access to the services that will no longer be provided. They have lowered the quality of life in those communities. Let's hope they didn't also subject the people still in those communities to another round of COVID-19 infections. They don't need that on top of everything else. He needs to put words in your mouth because it's the only way to make his arguments hold up.
billsfan1959 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Much of PPP doesn't think their fellow citizens protesting perceived injustice have a legit case. Its not about the violence in the protest, or the looting, or law and order its about the validity of the underlying issue. I don't agree that most people on PPP don't think their fellow citizens protesting perceived injustice have a legit case. I think there is confusion about legitimacy of feelings and accuracy of perceptions. They are different. Racism is a real thing. That it exists is not debatable. The degree that it exists, the degree to which it is behind behavior in general, and the degree to which it permeates and motivates an entire profession are all debatable. I believe a vast majority of those peacefully protesting legitimately feel what they feel. However, the accuracy of their perception that an entire profession is so pervasively racist that they have no regard whatsoever for black lives is certainly open for honest debate. Of course, we all know it is easier to paint an entire group with the same brush stroke... Not intellectually honest, but easier 4 1
Jauronimo Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, Taro T said: Where are you getting the bolded? These protesters absolutely 100% have a right to protest. They do NOT have a right to riot, destroy property, nor injure/ kill people. There was never any doubt that the cops involved in George Floyd's MURDER were going to be brought to justice. They were fired after the incident; not put on administrative leave w/ or w/ out pay, but actually terminated. That implies that something serious was coming down the pike; and within a week it did. The cop that actually put the knee to his neck is now charged with 2nd degree (up from 3rd degree) murder and the others are being charged as accessories. So, though there may be a perception of unequal justice, it doesn't look that way from here. If you feel there is unequal justice there, feel free to join the protests. But those that are rioting and destroying things are screwing the people that live in those communities as it will be a long time, if ever, before those communities have access to the services that will no longer be provided. They have lowered the quality of life in those communities. Let's hope they didn't also subject the people still in those communities to another round of COVID-19 infections. They don't need that on top of everything else. Of course they have the right to protest. You can protest anything. Doesn't mean the fine people here believe the protesters have a legit case and many do not. How many times have I read in this forum "Chauvin was arrested. What are they even protesting?". Yes, there was considerable doubt that these officers would face any repercussions. Yes, rioting is bad. Looting is bad. I don't think I have seen anyone argue otherwise and if people have, they are wrong. 2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I don't agree that most people on PPP don't think their fellow citizens protesting perceived injustice have a legit case. I think there is confusion about legitimacy of feelings and accuracy of perceptions. They are different. Racism is a real thing. That it exists is not debatable. The degree that it exists, the degree to which it is behind behavior in general, and the degree to which it permeates and motivates an entire profession are all debatable. I believe a vast majority of those peacefully protesting legitimately feel what they feel. However, the accuracy of their perception that an entire profession is so pervasively racist that they have no regard whatsoever for black lives is certainly open for honest debate. Of course, we all know it is easier to paint an entire group with the same brush stroke... Not intellectually honest, but easier You literally just said they feel injustice but they're perceptions are inaccurate, did you not? How is that different than "they have a right to protest but have no case"? 6 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: He needs to put words in your mouth because it's the only way to make his arguments hold up. Shouldn't you be scouring the internet for more beat down porn? Google purple hair liberal gets pwned and tell us what comes up.
3rdnlng Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 hour ago, B-Man said: While one comment states that they hope he can get the assistance he needs he clearly states that he's a big boy and will endure. It appears to me he's going to be back on his feet regardless if he gets help. 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Jauronimo said: Of course they have the right to protest. You can protest anything. Doesn't mean the fine people here believe the protesters have a legit case and many do not. How many times have I read in this forum "Chauvin was arrested. What are they even protesting?". Yes, there was considerable doubt that these officers would face any repercussions. Yes, rioting is bad. Looting is bad. I don't think I have seen anyone argue otherwise and if people have, they are wrong. A protest does not hurt the people you're trying to help. You are melding a peaceful protest with ginned up rioting and looting. One is not like the other. 1
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