billsfan1959 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, SectionC3 said: This is really insightful. Nicely done. I came to this board mostly to amuse myself. And, along the way, I have learned a few things. You know what the hell you’re talking about. I might disagree with some of your politics, but I very much enjoy reading your posts and I appreciate what you have written here. Very, very well done. Yeah, I do not believe you and I will be on the exact same page from political perspectives ; however, I think we have some very common ground. I will return the compliment. I have really enjoyed your insight on the issues we have been discussing in this thread. You know what you are talking about as well. I think there have been some good discussions and honest dialogue. I appreciate that whenever I see it. I wish we saw it more at a national level from people on both sides of the political aisle or on both sides of whatever specific issue is being discussed. 1 1
Back2Buff Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, bbb said: A lot of feet in that video You have to go to full screen and to the time in the tweet. I'm sure someone will snip it soon. Check out his twitter profile: https://twitter.com/martingugino 1
Capco Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 23 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Your headline does not pass the smell test....not even close. That's all he ever does. Posts random headlines from the least reputable websites out there. He may as well sign every post of his with "BNN" for B-Man News Network.
B-Man Posted June 5, 2020 Author Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: I didn't read the article but the title is a stretch. The most likely scenario to me is that Chauvin was probably the senior officer and the other three didn't stop him. That's not an excuse for them but might explain their inaction. Chauvin himself clearly did the wroooooooooong thing. He was probably on tilt somehow and initially overreacted but keeping his knee on someone's neck for three minutes after no pulse can't ever be explained to me. The whole thing is disgusting long before that. Your headline does not pass the smell test....not even close. Perhaps if you had actually read the article you would have seen answers to your concerns. Thanks. Edited June 5, 2020 by B-Man 1
LB3 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: Then you'll have no problem explaining the major differences between the protests and why any comparisons to the attitudes expressed in the two threads are invalid. Perceived racial bias vs loss of actual freedom. Many people disagree that the system in the United States is inherently racist and rigged against POC. The anomalies in policing statistics can and often do require more context than just, "Hands up don't shoot." As are so many other things, mistrust of police is taught at home and can be a self fulfilling prophecy. Racism is awful, but can easily be a scapegoat for other issues. What actual freedoms are being fought for here in the United States? I'm not talking about how certain people feel or how they perceive situations. I mean actual freedoms that are being denied. Do we jail citizens for years for not respecting the anthem? Are U.S. citizens banned from protesting? What freedoms that all citizens have are denied by the government to POC? Edit: Admittedly, I also assumed looting wasn't as big of an issue because I've seen not much mention of the looting in Hong Kong. That is also what I believed a large difference to be but can't confirm. Edited June 5, 2020 by LB3
4merper4mer Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, B-Man said: Perhaps if you had actually read the article you would have seen answers to your concerns. Thanks. It's a crappy premise. Chauvin didn't commit his horrendous act because because he was somehow conditioned to do it . 16 minutes ago, Capco said: That's all he ever does. Posts random headlines from the least reputable websites out there. He may as well sign every post of his with "BNN" for B-Man News Network. I have not found that to be the case generally but this particular article has a stupid premise. And by "least reputable" I assume you mean "non-commie".
Koko78 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Do you know if the body cameras have sound? They do. I do not know of any body camera models that do not have audio. Here is a definition from the BPD's website about their body camera program: Quote B. Body-Worn Cameras (BWCs) – Small video cameras, typically attached to an officer’s clothing or helmet that maximizes the camera’s ability to capture video and audio data. https://www.bpdny.org/182/Body-Worn-Cameras-Policy 2
B-Man Posted June 5, 2020 Author Posted June 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: It's a crappy premise. Chauvin didn't commit his horrendous act because because he was somehow conditioned to do it . I have not found that to be the case generally but this particular article has a stupid premise. institutionalized racism has been the mantra of the left, this article tries to show how (maybe) that came to be.
Jauronimo Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, LB3 said: Perceived racial bias vs loss of actual freedom. Many people disagree that the system in the United States is inherently racist and rigged against POC. The anomalies in policing statistics can and often do require more context than just, "Hands up don't shoot." As are so many other things, mistrust of police is taught at home and can be a self fulfilling prophecy. Racism is awful, but can easily be a scapegoat for other issues. What actual freedoms are being fought for here in the United States? I'm not talking about how certain people feel or how they perceive situations. I mean actual freedoms that are being denied. Do we jail citizens for years for not respecting the anthem? Are U.S. citizens banned from protesting? What freedoms that all citizens have are denied by the government to POC? Edit: Admittedly, I also assumed looting wasn't as big of an issue because I've seen not much mention of the looting in Hong Kong. That is also what I believed a large difference to be but can't confirm. So the difference in your eyes is one protest is invalid and the other was justified?
4merper4mer Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 30 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Bill Murray’s son Caleb arrested during Black Lives Matter protest </snip> Bill Murray’s son Caleb was arrested and charged on Monday with arson, disorderly conduct and assault and battery on a police officer. According to a report obtained by Page Six from the Edgartown District Court, the 27-year-old was participating in a Black Lives Matter march on Martha’s Vineyard and allegedly got into an altercation with police officers who were responding to an incident taking place at the protest. The incident unfolded during a confrontation between protesters and resident Eric Woods, who allegedly used the N-word before punching a teenager in the crowd </snip> While being transported to the Dukes County Jail after his arrest, Caleb was allegedly uncooperative. Things reportedly got worse once he was placed in a cell. “After being put into a cell,” the report alleges, “he then used a piece of the cell to not only cut himself but cut the deputies.” Another officer claims to have heard Caleb say, “that once he got out of jail he was going to burn down all the f–king buildings.” </snip> Martha's Vineyard lol. 1
LB3 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) Rioting is certainly more justified in one case. If protesting were the only issue there would be no issue. What freedoms are being taken away from United States citizens? Beijing cares nothing for the rights of it's citizens. Edit: @Jauronimo. Forgot to quote you. Edited June 5, 2020 by LB3
4merper4mer Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, B-Man said: institutionalized racism has been the mantra of the left, this article tries to show how (maybe) that came to be. I did read it and found it crappy as I suspected I would. An individual killed another individual. It can't yet be shown that race was a reason behind it at all. If it was, THEN it should be examined if it was institutional. If THAT is shown, it should be examined if it is the fault of Democrats, Republicans, neither or both. Edited June 5, 2020 by 4merper4mer 1 1
Big Blitz Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) I missed the part here where MLK says "yea we haven't gotten what we want let's break everything." He'd be embarrassed by all this especially considering the immense progress that has been and then subsequently rekkkked by the Obama administration MLK on riots Edited June 5, 2020 by Big Blitz 1 1
4merper4mer Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: I missed the part here where MLK says "yea we haven't gotten what we want let's break everything." He'd be embarrassed by all this especially considering the immense progress that has been and then subsequently rekkkked by the Obama administration MLK on riots We are a nation of individuals and how we treat each other matters. True progress in race relations can't be made or broken by government or at least it shouldn't be. It is in how we treat each other.
B-Man Posted June 5, 2020 Author Posted June 5, 2020 DAVID BERNSTEIN: There are plenty of police reforms that could be enacted from a libertarian perspective that would improve matters. Qualified immunity reform is libertarian. Holding police accountable for misbehavior is libertarian. Reducing the power of police unions is libertarian. Getting rid of overtime and pension abuse is libertarian. Banning no-knock raids is libertarian. Reducing bloated police department bureaucracies is libertarian. Broader reforms that would reduce the need for police and reduce police/civilian encounters are also libertarian. Getting rid of victimless crimes, especially the drug war, and certain categories of criminal business regulation that should be handled civilly is libertarian. Getting rid of taxes that lead to black markets that in turn lead to police/civilian encounters is libertarian. Abolishing laws that allow local governments to put people in jail for failure to pay civil fines is libertarian. Separating forensic science services from prosecutors’ offices is libertarian. Holding prosecutors accountable for misconduct is libertarian. Finding alternatives to prison for certain categories of offenders is libertarian. By contrast, “defunding the police,” if that just means willy-nilly cuts, is not libertarian. If you get rid of the police, they will be replaced by vigilante justice and mob “protection.” 2
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