Jauronimo Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 hour ago, LB3 said: This was a nice apples to pumpkins comparison you threw out there yesterday. ? Then you'll have no problem explaining the major differences between the protests and why any comparisons to the attitudes expressed in the two threads are invalid.
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Trump again offering the national guard to NY and NJ. His word choice will have the lefties screaming!
bilzfancy Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, B-Man said: More proof that the far left WANTS anarchy
billsfan1959 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 53 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: All of this is true, but it overlooks the point that people are pissed off because the person supposed to be protecting the public killed a member of the public in the Floyd incident. That’s, of course, a very narrow view of what’s occurred here. I see Floyd as a tipping point or a match for frustrations, mostly related to the indignities of life as a minority in this country but probably in some small part related to the frustration of the pandemic, and here we are today. You do make a good point: we all need to chip in and be better in our own ways, whether it’s, among other things, being more aware of the indignities I mentioned and actually doing something about them, or being more proactive about the knuckleheads in our own community. I woke up curious about what you thought about the BPD incident from last night. Any thoughts? I watched the video several times. I don't believe the man presented any type of real threat and I don't know what his purpose was or what he was saying. To me, he was clearly confronting them about something. But, again, he didn't represent a legitimate threat. I don't think the officer responded in a terribly disproportionate way. He clearly pushed him out of the way with several orders of "get back" being heard. It didn't appear to be a hard push and certainly did not appear to be done with an intent to harm. Crowd control is always a difficult thing. They really can't pause to interact with everyone who approaches them in an effort to reason with them or provide explanations. That would destroy the cohesiveness of the unit, distract them as a unit, and, if they did that for veryone who approached, peaceful or not, it would turn into chaos. To many people, some actions seem more aggressive than they should be, like this one. However, "normal" ways of dealing with people really don't exist in these kinds of circumstances. As soon as the man went down, you could see a number of the officers pause and one actually attempt to check on the man. He was stopped by another officer. This is not uncommon. They are in formation, engaging in a specific mission, and they don't break out of that if they can help it. Operation Plans always have contingencies for medical response. You can see the officer, who started to kneel down, immediately get on his radio. My educated guess is he was requesting medical assistance. Later in the video you can hear a response, "We have EMTs on scene." I believe other officers would have remained with the man; however, there was another protester coming at them much more aggressively that they then responded to. I hate that the man was injured, I really do. I hope he is wasn't seriously injured and I wish him a speedy recovery. I do not see anything in the video that would indicate any behavior outside of protocol, that would indicate intent to injure the man, or that a reasonable person could foresee would result in serious injury. He was pushed after approaching officers and fell awkwardly. Given the events of the last 6 days, even "peaceful" protests have the potential to have isolated violent behavior or to turn violent on a larger scale. Officers simply cannot assume everyone who approaches them has peacful intent. It really is a no win situation. These are the types of situations people will, unfortunately, manipulate for their own self-interests. 3 1
B-Man Posted June 5, 2020 Author Posted June 5, 2020 WHO IS BEHIND SYSTEMIC RACISM? THE DEMOCRATIC MACHINES: “Chauvin and the other three cops did what they did because they thought what they had been taught to think by decades of one-party rule in the city, that the fix was already in: if the pols keep their hands off the cops, the police union will deliver the votes.” .
BillStime Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Your logic is fun- events caused by liberals in liberal cities in liberal states is caused by conservative people who live 1000 miles away. When you blame people for your life sucking is it caused by all the people who just did not stick around? Just like Trump - can’t take responsibility for anything... And we CAN hold you responsible your voting decisions. thanks champ
Tiberius Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 44 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I don't dismiss at all how the black communities, in almost every city, arrived at the state they are in. That was not the point of my post at all. The fact is, there are many reasons that black communities are disproportionately suffering and if you were to honestly list the reasons, law enforcemnent would be no where near the top of that list. You refer to the police in the black community as a "hostile police force." Make no mistake about it, hostilities in the black communities between residents and police go both ways and there is culpability on both sides. And, any aggressive violence on the part of police officers don't represent the entire force any more than aggressive violence on the part of black residents represent the whole community. I don't discount the history of this country regarding blacks - at all. It is all too real and much of it in the not too distant past. Black communities have been suffering for years and years while politicians on both sides refuse to do anything to actually help. Anger and frustration is real and where is it easiest for that anger and frustration to manifest? In interactions within the communities with the only ones there who are from outsided the community and an easy representative of everything that angers them: law enforcement. Blacks in this country have an an entire history that has shaped their perceptions. I acknowledge that and believe those perceptions should be openly and honestly discussed. But all sides have to be open to their own responsibilities and culpabilities. It can't be driven by political agendas or pathological self-interests. You can dismantle or reform every law enforcement agency in this country to the degree you wish. Every problem in the black communities, their frustrations, and their anger will still exist. I'm just coming to the conclusion--ok, just thinking out loud here--that we need more social workers and fewer police. Cops are what they are and they have to be tough to do their jobs, but that inflames situations many times. Instead, how about we have people showing up--with the police-- to domestic abuse, arguments and fights with help instead of just a law enforcement officer. Cops have so much on their plate already, why not let others come in with a different agenda to a situation. 1 1
BillStime Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Foxx said: so... using your logic if you spouted this crap off at me and i decided to punch you in your piehole, you own that, right. i mean, you enabled it. idiot. bring it precious... #bunkerbitch 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, BillStime said: Just like Trump - can’t take responsibility for anything... And we CAN hold you responsible your voting decisions. thanks champ I am confused now- are you stating that I am responsible for what happens in the city I moved out of 19 years ago? Or am I responsible for actions of people I have never met? What I think you mean is that since someone disagrees with using facts and logic you and other liberals have extra rights because you are triggered.
BillStime Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, Buffalo Timmy said: I am confused SHOCKING - a confused Trump voter? No way!!!! 1
Orlando Buffalo Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, BillStime said: SHOCKING - a confused Trump voter? No way!!!! Shocking- an internet troll intentionally taking a quote out of context and then twisting it. 1 2
BillStime Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Shocking- an internet troll intentionally taking a quote out of context and then twisting it. Awe poor baby
B-Man Posted June 5, 2020 Author Posted June 5, 2020 NEVER LET A CRISIS YOU ENGINEERED YOURSELF GO TO WASTE: Riots Are Part of Weeklong Campaign to Defund Police. In Some Places It’s Working.
4merper4mer Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, B-Man said: WHO IS BEHIND SYSTEMIC RACISM? THE DEMOCRATIC MACHINES: “Chauvin and the other three cops did what they did because they thought what they had been taught to think by decades of one-party rule in the city, that the fix was already in: if the pols keep their hands off the cops, the police union will deliver the votes.” . I didn't read the article but the title is a stretch. The most likely scenario to me is that Chauvin was probably the senior officer and the other three didn't stop him. That's not an excuse for them but might explain their inaction. Chauvin himself clearly did the wroooooooooong thing. He was probably on tilt somehow and initially overreacted but keeping his knee on someone's neck for three minutes after no pulse can't ever be explained to me. The whole thing is disgusting long before that. Racism? Maybe. Personal vendetta? Maybe. Loss of composure over something that happened before the video? Maybe. It matters and it doesn't at the same time. If it can be shown he did it due to race it is terrible and reflects on him. It also might be a bad sign that cops need to be vetted more generally speaking. It does not prove all cops racist nor does it prove the system racist. If it shown he had a personal beef with George Lloyd and he isn't a racist at all it doesn't prove the system is free of racism. I'm no fan of the monolithic rule mentioned in your headline but this was an act by an individual against an individual. Some are quick to show low numbers of cops killing unarmed black people. Those are data points worth examination. I'm guessing the numbers of cops killing people in one party rule towns is also a low number. Your headline does not pass the smell test....not even close. 1
billsfan1959 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: I'm just coming to the conclusion--ok, just thinking out loud here--that we need more social workers and fewer police. Cops are what they are and they have to be tough to do their jobs, but that inflames situations many times. Instead, how about we have people showing up--with the police-- to domestic abuse, arguments and fights with help instead of just a law enforcement officer. Cops have so much on their plate already, why not let others come in with a different agenda to a situation. I think there is a role for social workers and clinicians and they are currently used in a number of ways. I certainly am open to innovative ways to reduce potential violence in any interactions between the police and the citizens they serve. It is complex, though. Take your example of domestic violence. Believe it or not, responses to domestic violence calls (with actual violence) represent one of the biggest dangers to responding officers. They are always emotionally charged situations with really complex dynamics where police must be wary of potential violence from both offender and victim. Safety of everyone involved is always the first consideration and doesn't always lend itself to de-escalating emotions. There are so many resources available for people in these situations. Unfortunately, they almost all come into play post response. Perhaps we could develop multidisciplinary responses to the actual scene. I think, conceptually, it is a good idea, Tibs. How do we implement it a a way that minimizes risk to non-law enforcement responders? How do we integrate the different roles at the scene? Lots of questions; however, I am open to new ideas. 2 1
SectionC3 Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I think there is a role for social workers and clinicians and they are currently used in a number of ways. I certainly am open to innovative ways to reduce potential violence in any interactions between the police and the citizens they serve. It is complex, though. Take your example of domestic violence. Believe it or not, responses to domestic violence calls (with actual violence) represent one of the biggest dangers to responding officers. They are always emotionally charged situations with really complex dynamics where police must be wary of potential violence from both offender and victim. Safety of everyone involved is always the first consideration and doesn't always lend itself to de-escalating emotions. There are so many resources available for people in these situations. Unfortunately, they almost all come into play post response. Perhaps we could develop multidisciplinary responses to the actual scene. I think, conceptually, it is a good idea, Tibs. How do we implement it a a way that minimizes risk to non-law enforcement responders? How do we integrate the different roles at the scene? Lots of questions; however, I am open to new ideas. This is really insightful. Nicely done. I came to this board mostly to amuse myself. And, along the way, I have learned a few things. You know what the hell you’re talking about. I might disagree with some of your politics, but I very much enjoy reading your posts and I appreciate what you have written here. Very, very well done. 3 1
Back2Buff Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Real story coming out: "He is going to get punched in the face." 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted June 5, 2020 Posted June 5, 2020 Bill Murray’s son Caleb arrested during Black Lives Matter protest </snip> Bill Murray’s son Caleb was arrested and charged on Monday with arson, disorderly conduct and assault and battery on a police officer. According to a report obtained by Page Six from the Edgartown District Court, the 27-year-old was participating in a Black Lives Matter march on Martha’s Vineyard and allegedly got into an altercation with police officers who were responding to an incident taking place at the protest. The incident unfolded during a confrontation between protesters and resident Eric Woods, who allegedly used the N-word before punching a teenager in the crowd </snip> While being transported to the Dukes County Jail after his arrest, Caleb was allegedly uncooperative. Things reportedly got worse once he was placed in a cell. “After being put into a cell,” the report alleges, “he then used a piece of the cell to not only cut himself but cut the deputies.” Another officer claims to have heard Caleb say, “that once he got out of jail he was going to burn down all the f–king buildings.” </snip>
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