Liberal Protests

[Unforgiven]

4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

A+
 

Congrats - you have the Trump talking points down pat - you are the best.

 

PS: How was your Trump socialist check? 

aka as facts, the kryptonite of the dimwit fos libs.

[Warren Zevon]

Just now, Unforgiven said:

aka as facts, the kryptonite of the dimwit fos libs.

 

Okay boyst

[bilzfancy]

2 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

He donated it to Black Lives Matter

Socialists are traitors to the American way of life, if both of you want it, move to Venezuela, I hear it's nice this time of year, I'll even pack you a couple of sandwiches for your trip. I didn't put on the uniform to defend socialism or socialists, but democracy and capitalism

[Warren Zevon]

1 minute ago, bilzfancy said:

move to Venezuela

 

No

 

What did you do with your $1200 check?

[Unforgiven]

Know how you can tell the dimwit libs? They think that can sway people to their BS

on a website...which makes the whole effort a useless waste of time on their part.

You the scared "protesters"(wink wink) that sit home in moms basement?

or you just get off on being hated, lol.

[Dante]

Wasn't Hillary, Nancy and MSNBC, CNN etc calling people that wanted to go to the beach and church domestic terrorists cause they might spread a fake virus? Seems kinda silly now doesn't it? 

[Magox]

5 hours ago, RealKayAdams said:

I’ve been reading many pages of this thread with a deep sense of sadness over what’s happening to our country. A lot of good points are being made, but I wanted to add another perspective here that hasn’t been mentioned: the leadership void within the progressive left wing of the Democratic Party. Specifically Bernie Sanders, who is still the de facto leader of the movement. The youth and various left-leaning movements like antifa and possibly BLM are predominantly instigating the rioting, the looting, and the violence. In this way, Bernie may have a larger influence on controlling the direction of the unrest than any other politician right now, including Trump and Biden. What I would like Sanders to do is to publicly praise all of the PEACEFUL protesting in honor of George Floyd while simultaneously condemning parts of the left for their destructive behavior. Additionally, I’d like Bernie to call for new national legislation in the following 5 areas: police conduct reform, mandatory oversight of law enforcement institutions from neutral third parties, increased mental health services for police officers, an end to the war on drugs (or at least marijuana) that disproportionately hampers blacks, and broad changes to the pipeline that connects our interventionist foreign policy and the increasing militarization of our domestic police force.

 

An aside on antifa: I ran into a few of these folks during my 2016+2020 Bernie campaign volunteering efforts (and also during some of my animal rights activism activities). Or at least I think I did, judging by their clothes, tattoos, and conversations. They were not very helpful, to put it mildly, when it came to canvassing. They didn’t come across as interested in the political process very much. Violence and delegitimizing American institutions are known to be their primary focus. There is no uniform political philosophy that they subscribe to, beyond anything that is “anti-fascist.” Most are either communists, hard socialists, anarchists, or short-term social democrats with long-term goals of pushing the country beyond capitalism. I suppose that would be a unifying political philosophy of theirs if they actually have one: anti-capitalism. They are politically to the extreme left and much further left than Bernie’s platform of mainstream European-style social democracy. I don’t personally know much at all about their organizational structure, though I do hear rumors from sources close to the scene that they are well-connected at the local level and have contact with other local cells around the country. It is not a top-down organization, but I would not be surprised at all to later learn they were being funded by higher-up Soros types and that they had been nationally coordinating for these riots all along.  

 

So here is my message for my left-leaning friends on this message board: it’s well past time for some deep self-reflection and impositions of quality control on our political side. Are we advancing public policy? Are we helping to defeat Donald Trump by persuading independents and energizing the base? Are we changing the hearts and minds of those that fuel American institutional racism? “No,” “no,” and “no” would be my answers at this very moment. How can we change course? Well for starters, let’s start acting rationally again. Emphatically call out the looting and the rioting. Castigate antifa. Stop suspecting Russia for everything. Stop fixating on the random annoying minutiae of Trump’s speeches or behavior and start focusing on the deeper issues that plague the country. I’d also stop apologizing for Biden’s shortcomings and demand he step up to the plate as a leader during these recent crises (or step aside at the convention).

 

That’s all I have to say on this subject for now. I think I need a small break from news and politics. I originally figured this type of violence and senseless destruction could erupt around the Democratic convention if Bernie lost or following the November election if Trump won. But with the pandemic quarantine restlessness, deep economic anxieties from the pandemic fallout and from failed neoliberal policies, the rising pre-summer heat, and of course George Floyd’s murder…here we are. It may likely get much worse, too, before things eventually get much better. Please stay safe, everyone.

 

I didn't see this until now.

 

And thank you.   I agree and am desperate for a real honest nationwide debate on policy.  In a way, that is why I was hoping Bernie would win so we could at least to a degree have a more stark contrast in policy between the two competing visions.  Bernie wouldn't have run away from his vision and Trump wouldn't have either.  

 

 

[bilzfancy]

4 minutes ago, Warren Zevon said:

 

No

 

What did you do with your $1200 check?

We didn't ask for it or needed it, we donated it to St. Jude's Hospital

[Unforgiven]

The libs on this board remind me of the gimp in pulp fiction.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Warren Zevon]

2 minutes ago, Unforgiven said:

The libs on this board remind me of the gimp in pulp fiction.

 

Would you like them lynched? 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

7 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:

We didn't ask for it or needed it, we donated it to St. Jude's Hospital

 

…...nicely done my good friend....classy as usual......I didn't get anything but would have followed your lead had I received one......

[Warren Zevon]

2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

I didn't get anything but would have followed your lead had I received one......

 

Probably taken by a liberal trying to steal your mail in ballot

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Doc]

Nothing can top the photo op of Barry at that "beer summit."  I voted for him that first time and I was irked at how bored he looked during it.

[snafu]

26 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

I don’t agree with AOC’s politics, but she knocked out the guy who probably was going to be the next Speaker of the House and got herself into Congress.  You, by contrast, are just another guy on an Internet message board.  I’m not much more removed from that myself. So she deserves some credit there.  

 

Don't give AOC that much credit.  Crowley literally didn't attend the primaries. She didn't win nearly as much as he completely screwed up. 

 

Also, don't give yourself credit.  You aren't at all removed from being just another guy on a message board. 

 

 

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

What's she protesting again? 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

4 hours ago, RealKayAdams said:

I’ve been reading many pages of this thread with a deep sense of sadness over what’s happening to our country. A lot of good points are being made, but I wanted to add another perspective here that hasn’t been mentioned: the leadership void within the progressive left wing of the Democratic Party. Specifically Bernie Sanders, who is still the de facto leader of the movement. The youth and various left-leaning movements like antifa and possibly BLM are predominantly instigating the rioting, the looting, and the violence. In this way, Bernie may have a larger influence on controlling the direction of the unrest than any other politician right now, including Trump and Biden. What I would like Sanders to do is to publicly praise all of the PEACEFUL protesting in honor of George Floyd while simultaneously condemning parts of the left for their destructive behavior. Additionally, I’d like Bernie to call for new national legislation in the following 5 areas: police conduct reform, mandatory oversight of law enforcement institutions from neutral third parties, increased mental health services for police officers, an end to the war on drugs (or at least marijuana) that disproportionately hampers blacks, and broad changes to the pipeline that connects our interventionist foreign policy and the increasing militarization of our domestic police force.

 

An aside on antifa: I ran into a few of these folks during my 2016+2020 Bernie campaign volunteering efforts (and also during some of my animal rights activism activities). Or at least I think I did, judging by their clothes, tattoos, and conversations. They were not very helpful, to put it mildly, when it came to canvassing. They didn’t come across as interested in the political process very much. Violence and delegitimizing American institutions are known to be their primary focus. There is no uniform political philosophy that they subscribe to, beyond anything that is “anti-fascist.” Most are either communists, hard socialists, anarchists, or short-term social democrats with long-term goals of pushing the country beyond capitalism. I suppose that would be a unifying political philosophy of theirs if they actually have one: anti-capitalism. They are politically to the extreme left and much further left than Bernie’s platform of mainstream European-style social democracy. I don’t personally know much at all about their organizational structure, though I do hear rumors from sources close to the scene that they are well-connected at the local level and have contact with other local cells around the country. It is not a top-down organization, but I would not be surprised at all to later learn they were being funded by higher-up Soros types and that they had been nationally coordinating for these riots all along.  

 

So here is my message for my left-leaning friends on this message board: it’s well past time for some deep self-reflection and impositions of quality control on our political side. Are we advancing public policy? Are we helping to defeat Donald Trump by persuading independents and energizing the base? Are we changing the hearts and minds of those that fuel American institutional racism? “No,” “no,” and “no” would be my answers at this very moment. How can we change course? Well for starters, let’s start acting rationally again. Emphatically call out the looting and the rioting. Castigate antifa. Stop suspecting Russia for everything. Stop fixating on the random annoying minutiae of Trump’s speeches or behavior and start focusing on the deeper issues that plague the country. I’d also stop apologizing for Biden’s shortcomings and demand he step up to the plate as a leader during these recent crises (or step aside at the convention).

 

That’s all I have to say on this subject for now. I think I need a small break from news and politics. I originally figured this type of violence and senseless destruction could erupt around the Democratic convention if Bernie lost or following the November election if Trump won. But with the pandemic quarantine restlessness, deep economic anxieties from the pandemic fallout and from failed neoliberal policies, the rising pre-summer heat, and of course George Floyd’s murder…here we are. It may likely get much worse, too, before things eventually get much better. Please stay safe, everyone.

I enjoy your posts, you're a smart cookie. Please accept my apologies in advance for what I'm about to say, I know where your heart lies and perhaps someday the light switch will flip and I'll realize how wrong I was. That day is not today. 

 

I feel the way about Sanders the way some folks feel about DT:  Bernie Sanders is a bad human being, he's a poser of the worst sort and offers nothing of value to me as a citizen. If he wanted to call out the looters, he could have very quickly and efficiently.   If he wanted to motivate his supporters to a peaceful adjudication of the problems in this country, he would have had his platform teed up for this type of event.  While unprecedented in scope, it's certainly not unprecedented in style.  He's a wealthy guy pretending he's not, he's utilizes the system set in to enrich people to in the political system to enrich himself, he's a carbon glutten who pollutes the environment on a massive scale...and he preaches class warfare and is about as divisive as anyone else.  If he wasn't 95 with his crazy hair and Brooklyn accent, I doubt he would have much traction at all. The fact hat he's a cartoon character gave him substantial lift with young people.  I realize he hits some hot button issues for you, and I respect your thought process as a citizen.  I don't agree with most of it, but hey, that's life.

 

I look forward to the day when he hangs it up and goes to hang out by the lake, sitting by the piles of money he's earned fighting the good fight of the perpetual bureaucrat.  

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[bilzfancy]

4 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

…...nicely done my good friend....classy as usual......I didn't get anything but would have followed your lead had I received one......

I don't get why you didn't get one. Wife and I are both retired too, didn't expect it but wasn't going to send it back..lol  St. Jude is our favorite charity, Danny Thomas is a hero to us.