billsfan1959 Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, meazza said: More accountability as well. Again, it’s not normal that it takes this long for a cop to be charged in such a clear cut case. There is no normal for how long it takes for arrests and charges to be made. Each case is unique. 2
Boatdrinks Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: No argument there. Training is better than it has ever been, officers are more educated than they have ever been, and law enforcement agencies are more diverse than they have ever been. What is really needed is an honest national dialogue where the starting point is not that law enforcement agencies are systemically racist. Yep, that’s where it goes south. They’re systemically anti criminal, because that’s what they’re supposed to do. Again, there is zero that was or is systemic about the actions of Chauvin. No one is trained to do that. The problem is the drivel from the NY Times, CNN etc. 2
Sig1Hunter Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 10 minutes ago, meazza said: More accountability as well. Again, it’s not normal that it takes this long for a cop to be charged in such a clear cut case. Just curious.. but what if the cause of death wasn’t related to the officer putting his knee on Floyd’s neck? You would still want the officer charged immediately? 1
meazza Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 Just now, Sig1Hunter said: Just curious.. but what if the cause of death wasn’t related to the officer putting his knee on Floyd’s neck? You would still want the officer charged immediately? At the very least, what he did was assault. If that was someone i knew, I’d be angry as well and no one would classify me as an SJW.
Boatdrinks Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: You have to get body camera footage, witness testimony, autopsy results, etc... That's my guess of why it took that long. Also have to determine if actions were criminal and at what level. 1 minute ago, Sig1Hunter said: Just curious.. but what if the cause of death wasn’t related to the officer putting his knee on Floyd’s neck? You would still want the officer charged immediately? This is very important.
Needle Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 13 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Better police training and the mandatory use of body cameras should continue to be the goal. Copernicus, Einstein I would like to add a more stringent hiring process. I know plenty of Marine friends who have found their way into law enforcement. As much as I love them they are unfit for the job. Some are probably fantastic and others can't let go of previous training and combat. 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 Can’t Police brutality be the problem here? Why is it necessarily race. Way more white people are killed by police in the US than black people.
Boatdrinks Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Can’t Police brutality be the problem here? Why is it necessarily race. Way more white people are killed by police in the US than black people. Selective outrage. 2 minutes ago, Needle said: I would like to add a more stringent hiring process. I know plenty of Marine friends who have found their way into law enforcement. As much as I love them they are unfit for the job. Some are probably fantastic and others can't let go of previous training and combat. It’s a fine line. Military stresses discipline and following commands. Those are good things in many cases. Wimps don’t make good cops. 5 minutes ago, meazza said: At the very least, what he did was assault. If that was someone i knew, I’d be angry as well and no one would classify me as an SJW. Assault could be just an appearance ticket in some states.
Doc Brown Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 1 minute ago, billsfan1959 said: No argument there. Training is better than it has ever been, officers are more educated than they have ever been, and law enforcement agencies are more diverse than they have ever been. What is really needed is an honest national dialogue where the starting point is not that law enforcement agencies are systemically racist. Building more trust between police and communities is the best way to accomplish that. Finding more ways for police agencies to integrate their officers into the community should be the goal.
billsfan1959 Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Can’t Police brutality be the problem here? Why is it necessarily race. Way more white people are killed by police in the US than black people. Exactly. Why can each case not be evaluated based on the factors unique to that case. There should never be automatic assumptions. 1
Needle Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Selective outrage. It’s a fine line. Military stresses discipline and following commands. Those are good things in many cases. Wimps don’t make good cops. The discipline is true but we have a number of combat vets who have made their way into law enforcement. I can tell you from experience that those men can be changed in a way that makes them unfit for the job. 1
meazza Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Selective outrage. It’s a fine line. Military stresses discipline and following commands. Those are good things in many cases. Wimps don’t make good cops. Assault could be just an appearance ticket in some states. Maybe. Either way, I haven’t seen much aside from an autopsy report contesting that the police officer was responsible for his death in some way or another.
Boatdrinks Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Needle said: The discipline is true but we have a number of combat vets who have made their way into law enforcement. I can tell you from experience that those men can be changed in a way that makes them unfit for the job. I know that to be true, and I speak from experience. Again, it’s tough because it’s not always apparent at the outset.
4merper4mer Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Also have to determine if actions were criminal and at what level. This is very important. If the guy had a heart attack because he panicked because someone had a knee on his neck, the cop still needs the book thrown at him. I get that determining what constitutes "the book" is determined by all of the circumstances. I understand why it took four days. To me if the guy had 7 heart conditions and was high as a kite, the officer's actions still cause his death. The seemingly established fact that he kept kneeling on the guy's neck for almost three minutes after no pulse could be found is something beyond my comprehension. 1 1
Needle Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 Just now, Boatdrinks said: I know that to be true, and I speak from experience. Again, it’s tough because it’s not always apparent at the outset. Yes and some make fantastic cops. I think a LEO should be evaluated throughout their career for their own well being and the publics. The job is insanely difficult.
Boatdrinks Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: If the guy had a heart attack because he panicked because someone had a knee on his neck, the cop still needs the book thrown at him. I get that determining what constitutes "the book" is determined by all of the circumstances. I understand why it took four days. To me if the guy had 7 heart conditions and was high as a kite, the officer's actions still cause his death. The seemingly established fact that he kept kneeling on the guy's neck for almost three minutes after no pulse could be found is something beyond my comprehension. Definitely not defending him or his actions, but it’s important to review the entire video and decide on appropriate charges.
TakeYouToTasker Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Sig1Hunter said: Just curious.. but what if the cause of death wasn’t related to the officer putting his knee on Floyd’s neck? You would still want the officer charged immediately? Are you kidding me? The thug in question had his knee on the neck of the man he murdered for over 7 minutes. He continued to do so for a full 1:45 after the man went limp. The victim pleaded 15 times that “I can’t breathe”. It would take a total *****, and a completely bad to the core cop, to make the argument that those pre-existing morbities weren’t actualized by the brutality of the thug murderer in question. If you have 1000 “good cops” and 10 bad cops, and the 1000 good cops protect the 10 bad cops instead of outing them and seeing them prosecuted, you have 1010 bad cops. All bad cops should be made too afraid to report to work. Edited May 31, 2020 by TakeYouToTasker 2
Doc Brown Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Can’t Police brutality be the problem here? Why is it necessarily race. Way more white people are killed by police in the US than black people. That should be obvious considering black people only comprise about 13% of the population while white people compromise about 60%. The best estimates are you're about 2.5 times more likely to be killed by a cop in your lifetime if you're black compared to white in the US. However, black people are more likely to commit crimes so it's difficult to quantify how much racism (at all) is attributed to that number. 1
Beast Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 32 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Better police training and the mandatory use of body cameras should continue to be the goal. Copernicus, Einstein No amount of training or body cameras would have stopped what that clown did. 1
mead107 Posted May 31, 2020 Posted May 31, 2020 I think we should totally do a way with police. let people do what they want 2
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