OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, billsfan1959 said: The underlying issues are separate from the criminal behavior. Right now I am watching criminals looting, vandalizing, destroying the possessions of others, and assaulting police and other citizens - across this country. There should be a focus on that criminal behavior right now and it should be stopped. They are criminals taking advantage of the situation. ...and that is their PERFECT cover......."what's the name of the guy we're rioting for?"....... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...sorry my good friend, but cluster bombs provide the desired effect at a "volume discount"...... All the rioters should be punished...legal process of course and there are professional agitators now in control for sure. But do not let that blind you from seeing the issue that need to be dealt with. Poverty, education, drugs, gangs, racism, healthcare etc. That creates this cultural divide. For how many years did violence happen in Ireland between Catholics and Protestants. Professional groups made money, it was an industry but many people died. You can not have your culture face that type hatred. Learn from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdutton Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Watching the Minneapolis press conference on CNN. I think it was the Minneapolis police chief that said that every single 'protester' arrested last night were from out of state. They are mobilizing the entire Minnesota national guard. ***** getting serious. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Foxx said: riiiiigggghhhhtttt..... because words are so much more damaging than physical actions. to a freaking SJW nut anyways..... its a message board post and maybe both were dumb at least I will own it as opposed to most in here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Margarita said: Thank you for beong the voice of americans everywhere SMH ...just because you can lecture someone on a message board doesnt mean you are absolutely correct. How in hell do you know what every protester is thinking? THAT to me is idiotic There are real protesters who are mourning the loss of George Floyd. No doubt about it. However they have been hijacked by a conglomeration of ANTIFA, BLM, university student radicals, young uneducated kids and some of the general populace who want in on the action. and check this out and this 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Margarita said: delusional thinking here again THANK YOU for speaking for the "they" you have not the slightest clue about. So many Solomons in here. lol link? thats terrible if true Ha. I actually am referring directly to people I know. I made it clear that these are THEIR own statements. So WTF are you talking about? It's you that are completely full of *****. You are gonna lose. (she deleted it....You're on a roll, baby!) Edited May 30, 2020 by Prickly Pete 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: All the rioters should be punished...legal process of course and there are professional agitators now in control for sure. But do not let that blind you from seeing the issue that need to be dealt with. Poverty, education, drugs, gangs, racism, healthcare etc. That creates this cultural divide. For how many years did violence happen in Ireland between Catholics and Protestants. Professional groups made money, it was an industry but many people died. You can not have your culture face that type hatred. Learn from them. ...yup...they are definitely "victims of our lousy society" and daily targets......yet ANOTHER one of your contributory gems...SMH..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Prickly Pete said: Ha. I actually am referring directly to people I know. I made it clear that these are THEIR own statements. So WTF are you talking about? reread what you wrote. The first 7 words you were describing your friends. The rest were directed at ":Progs" and the resulting paragraph. NOT an exclusive to your friends statement sorry. Quote No doubt this is the prevailing attitude among the Progs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: The underlying issues are separate from the criminal behavior. Right now I am watching criminals looting, vandalizing, destroying the possessions of others, and assaulting police and other citizens - across this country. There should be a focus on that criminal behavior right now and it should be stopped. They are criminals taking advantage of the situation. ...damn right......paid scum......why should GOOD FOLK regardless of race, creed, color or ethnicity be subjected to this?.....living their lives in fear?...BS.......bring in the military with a strong show of force and do whatever is necessary (YOU fill in the blanks)...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: You focus only on the criminal behavior, all sides do, but there are under lying issues that need to be listened to and only open minds can listen. Maybe you think I ramble..but I am likely one of the few who does not have an agenda, or a strong position that I am determined to sell. I can only say in 50 years some progress has been made, but there is a percentage of the population left behind. Reasons ??, don't know, but troublesome There are two primary reasons: 1. Societies change very slowly. Today's move faster than they did in ancient times but they're still slow. This is sad for individual people; we get about 80 years and while it would be nice to expect everything to be fixed by year 80 it is unrealistic. Individuals can change but not all do. It would be swell to think that a nice conversation could change every bigot into a self actualized fair person but it doesn't. Maybe it could change greedy people into philanthropists or power hungry politicians into altruistic champions. It's unrealistic to expect these things and judging people by those standards does not engender improvements, it causes strife and conflict. People all should be held to the rule of law and judged against that and that alone. Judgement beyond that is the big man's job. 2. Collectivist attempts to force changes to the above have set us back. Whether they are misguided good intentions like the welfare state taking fathers out of homes or charalatans fomenting proletariat revolutions to get power for themselves and strip freedom from people, they are harmful. There are more reasons too but IMO the two above are the top 2. There are still bigots and this cop might be one. Maybe he killed the guy because he was black or maybe he is just an ahole who would have done the same to a white guy. Things like this will happen again. Some will be interpreted correctly as racially based and some will be interpreted incorrectly. Trying to force unreasonable expectations for everything to be daisies and gumdrops because that is a desirable outcome, results in these riots. This does not mean that we should accept events like what happened in Minny. We shouldn't. But the response should be law based and everyone should understand that all responses will always be law based. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Magox said: There are real protesters who are mourning the loss of George Floyd. No doubt about it. However they have been hijacked by a conglomeration of ANTIFA, BLM, university student radicals, young uneducated kids and some of the general populace who want in on the action. and check this out and this Im not saying that all those whom are on the streets are not there for nefarious reasons. I just have to question how much of the knowledge bantered here is sheer politically biased conjecture and how much is factual. Folks here speak like they have all the knowledge and disparage anyone who questions or calls it out. To say this thread is predominantely pro Trump and parroting his take is obvious. But as Ive already stated I dont believe this is solely a political issue at all Edited May 30, 2020 by Margarita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Margarita said: Im not saying that all those whom are on the streets are not there for nefarious reasons. I just have to question how much of the knowledge bantered here is sheer politically biased conjecture and how much is factual. Folks here speak like they have all the knowledge and disparage anyone who questions or calls it out. To say this thread is predominantely pro Trump and parroting his take is obvious. How the hell is anything happening in the last few days have anything to do with Trump? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, 4merper4mer said: There are two primary reasons: 1. Societies change very slowly. Today's move faster than they did in ancient times but they're still slow. This is sad for individual people; we get about 80 years and while it would be nice to expect everything to be fixed by year 80 it is unrealistic. Individuals can change but not all do. It would be swell to think that a nice conversation could change every bigot into a self actualized fair person but it doesn't. Maybe it could change greedy people into philanthropists or power hungry politicians into altruistic champions. It's unrealistic to expect these things and judging people by those standards does not engender improvements, it causes strife and conflict. People all should be held to the rule of law and judged against that and that alone. Judgement beyond that is the big man's job. 2. Collectivist attempts to force changes to the above have set us back. Whether they are misguided good intentions like the welfare state taking fathers out of homes or charalatans fomenting proletariat revolutions to get power for themselves and strip freedom from people, they are harmful. There are more reasons too but IMO the two above are the top 2. There are still bigots and this cop might be one. Maybe he killed the guy because he was black or maybe he is just an ahole who would have done the same to a white guy. Things like this will happen again. Some will be interpreted correctly as racially based and some will be interpreted incorrectly. Trying to force unreasonable expectations for everything to be daisies and gumdrops because that is a desirable outcome, results in these riots. This does not mean that we should accept events like what happened in Minny. We shouldn't. But the response should be law based and everyone should understand that all responses will always be law based. Well said, an understanding without an agenda to sell. More thoughtfulness and less tablethumping. There are people from all walks of life hurt by the underlying problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, Margarita said: Im not saying that all those whom are on the streets are not there for nefarious reasons. I just have to question how much of the knowledge bantered here is sheer politically biased conjecture and how much is factual. Folks here speak like they have all the knowledge and disparage anyone who questions or calls it out. To say this thread is predominantely pro Trump and parroting his take is obvious. Virtually everyone here agrees the cop was out of line, and that a peaceful protest would be justified. The looting, pillaging, burning buildings, attacking police, etc. has been frowned upon here.... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 27 minutes ago, Margarita said: Thank you for beong the voice of americans everywhere SMH ...just because you can lecture someone on a message board doesnt mean you are absolutely correct. How in hell do you know what every protester is thinking? THAT to me is idiotic He was clearly talking about the people who are looting, setting fires, stealing, vandalizing, and assaulting people - you know, criminals. I could be wrong here; however, i don't think it is that big of a stretch to attribute less than honorable motives to criminal behavior.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, bilzfancy said: How the hell is anything happening in the last few days have anything to do with Trump? Right? Also, Trump promptly denounced the actions of that cop. Has zero to do with the occupant of the White House 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Margarita said: Im not saying that all those whom are on the streets are not there for nefarious reasons. I just have to question how much of the knowledge bantered here is sheer politically biased conjecture and how much is factual. Folks here speak like they have all the knowledge and disparage anyone who questions or calls it out. To say this thread is predominantely pro Trump and parroting his take is obvious. But as Ive already stated I dont believe this is solely a political issue at all Please just make this clear for everyone: (1) What is Trump's take on this situation that you are referring to? (2) What specific views by posters are "parroting" his take? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, bilzfancy said: How the hell is anything happening in the last few days have anything to do with Trump? ...not a damn thing but CONVENIENT CRUTCH....who was Trump during the 1964 riots in Rochester NY?.....who was Trump during the LA Rodney King debacle?.....and these azzclowns wanting to link Trump to the current incendiary situation have merit?.....yet the Obama Administration (?) gets a hard pass on their anti-law enforcement proclifitives?....um ok......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, Margarita said: Im not saying that all those whom are on the streets are not there for nefarious reasons. I just have to question how much of the knowledge bantered here is sheer politically biased conjecture and how much is factual. Folks here speak like they have all the knowledge and disparage anyone who questions or calls it out. To say this thread is predominantely pro Trump and parroting his take is obvious. But as Ive already stated I dont believe this is solely a political issue at all Solely? No, not at all. There are plenty of legitimate protesters but the ones who are participating after 9pm are largely there to contribute to the chaos. There are many disparate groups and individuals who are involved and they don’t all have the same motives but make no mistake at the heart of the rioting not protesting but rioting are organized professionals who should be considered as domestic terrorists because their whole objective is to “burn it all down”. And when all these groups are together it makes for a dangerous, contagious Molotov cocktail and nothing good comes out of it. This is a really bad situation and it is happened in over 20 cities last night and tonight will be worse. Im afraid that the only way to contain this will have an end result of lots of blood being shed. My hopes are that their desire to continue on will just burn out but that isn’t likely unless some dynamic steps in. I have been up throughout many hours over the past couple nights watching everything on Twitter and they feel emboldened. And there is nothing anyone on this planet can tell them to make them stop. It’s going to get worse before it gets better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Magox said: Solely? No, not at all. There are plenty of legitimate protesters but the ones who are participating after 9pm are largely there to contribute to the chaos. There are many disparate groups and individuals who are involved and they don’t all have the same motives but make no mistake at the heart of the rioting not protesting but rioting are organized professionals who should be considered as domestic terrorists because their whole objective is to “burn it all down”. And when all these groups are together it makes for a dangerous, contagious Molotov cocktail and nothing good comes out of it. This is a really bad situation and it is happened in over 20 cities last night and tonight will be worse. Im afraid that the only way to contain this will have an end result of lots of blood being shed. My hopes are that their desire to continue on will just burn out but that isn’t likely unless some dynamic steps in. I have been up throughout many hours over the past couple nights watching everything on Twitter and they feel emboldened. And there is nothing anyone on this planet can tell them to make them stop. It’s going to get worse before it gets better. Steps need to be taken to stop it and it it needs to start now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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