Niagara Bill Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 37 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Sorry NB, I am not into painting entire groups with the same broad brush stroke. Feel free; however, when you do, just know that you pretty much become the very thing you are railing against. I respectfully disagree. Never would I paint an entire group...good or bad Just go to youtube.....Youngbloods, Get Together.... Come on People... Railing is Agent Rhino and followers...single minded, focused on supporting their position, defend defend, attack attack... Peace....It is time...
njbuff Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, Margarita said: Because she has shown herself to me as a person who doesn't respect alternative views so I afford her equal "respect" It's ok to disagree, but name calling only enrages the person you are trying to engage. Hell, I have been accused of being racist today. Holy balls. ?
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, njbuff said: BG, not to get political, but what is the common denominator with the riots in these cities? Easy guess. A paycheck for some. These riots are not spontaneous. The ads were out earlier.
njbuff Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, Buffalo_Gal said: A paycheck for some. These riots are not spontaneous. The ads were out earlier. I was thinking....................... all Democratic run cities. No coincidence there.
Wacka Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, njbuff said: BG, not to get political, but what is the common denominator with the riots in these cities? Easy guess. Ooh! Ooh! Pick me Mr. Kotter! 1
dubs Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Margarita said: I understand the anger and protest against racism and police brutality but I will never understand how destroying property and looting are in any way positive or indicative of any positive outcome against either of those things. I have no argument against peaceful demonstration but to burn and loot in the short term I guess releases anger but its so short sighted . the WHY they are protesting to answer Buffalo Gal is anger, frustration with police brutality and overt racism leading to death, grief and mob mentality sinking in. The collateral damage does nothing to help at all. racism? Do you know what the word means? Please define it and explain how you know that what happens to Floyd was racism and not just bad policing or a bad person doing a bad thing. this should be good... I’ll help you: “a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race” Edited May 30, 2020 by dubs 1
njbuff Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Wacka said: Ooh! Ooh! Pick me Mr. Kotter! See above.
muppy Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) This is not a political issue, this is a Humanity Issue.To politicize this is wrong. Just now, Margarita said: Edited May 30, 2020 by Margarita 1
njbuff Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said: I am from NJ and I am surprised Newark isn't up in flames right now. 7 minutes ago, dubs said: racism? Do you know what the word means? Please define it and explain how you know that what happens to Floyd was racism and not just bad policing or a bad person doing a bad thing. this should be good... I’ll help you: “a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race” It is coming out that those two might have known each other. Brings more questions to the table, like, was it over an ex-girlfriend or something. That cop should fry, but this case might get weird.
muppy Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, dubs said: racism? Do you know what the word means? Please define it and explain how you know that what happens to Floyd was racism and not just bad policing or a bad person doing a bad thing. this should be good... Being that Floyd was black it is going to be labeled a racial issue even if that officer would have treated any other person the same way. That oficer may or may not be a racist but in view of The issues in the past involving blacks and the police that bridge was crossed by many people rightly or wrongly. PS: was that indeed "good" for you dubs? lol Edited May 30, 2020 by Margarita
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 Just now, njbuff said: I am from NJ and I am surprised Newark isn't up in flames right now. Antifa was declared a terrorist group by the state of NJ. Different charges instead of $500 tickets, would be my guess. Soros is only willing to pay so much for rioting and mayhem.
Chef Jim Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 43 minutes ago, Margarita said: You cannot be that stupid can you? You really asked why people across the nation are protesting? Unbelievable. You cannot be that stupid to think that’s what @Buffalo_Gal is saying. 30 minutes ago, BillStime said: I’m not advocating the looting and vandalism but passive disobedience is clearly not working. So if passive disobedience is not working what exactly are you advocating? 1 1
njbuff Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said: Antifa was declared a terrorist group by the state of NJ. Different charges instead of $500 tickets, would be my guess. Soros is only willing to pay so much for rioting and mayhem. Don't underestimated the stupidity of Newark. ? 1
dubs Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, njbuff said: I am from NJ and I am surprised Newark isn't up in flames right now. It is coming out that those two might have known each other. Brings more questions to the table, like, was it over an ex-girlfriend or something. That cop should fry, but this case might get weird. I have literally zero idea of what this scumbag cops motivation was. What aggravates me is how the term racism gets thrown around incorrectly all the time. Racism is the belief that a race of people are inherently inferior to your own race. So to say the motivation is racism, you’d have to know the cop believed that black people were inferior. There is nothing we know to support that. Not a thing. nowadays , any incident involving two different races of people gets the racism tag. More accurately it could be speculated as bigotry. But even that in this case is totally unknown. 5 minutes ago, Margarita said: Being that Floyd was black it is going to be labeled a racial issue even if that officer would have treated any other person the same way. That oficer may or may not be a racist but in view of The issues in the past involving blacks and the police that bridge was crossed by many people rightly or wrongly. PS: was that indeed "good" for you dubs? lol sorry to be terse on my last post. it’s really not good for me. Reason being, we don’t know. You admitted it yourself above. Any furtherance of that notion is both wildly speculative and destructive. It’s a loaded term almost always used incorrectly and stokes fear and anger.
muppy Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, dubs said: I have literally zero idea of what this scumbag cops motivation was. What aggravates me is how the term racism gets thrown around incorrectly all the time. Racism is the belief that a race of people are inherently inferior to your own race. So to say the motivation is racism, you’d have to know the cop believed that black people were inferior. There is nothing we know to support that. Not a thing. nowadays , any incident involving two different races of people gets the racism tag. More accurately it could be speculated as bigotry. But even that in this case is totally unknown. ha so we agree. I guess that means I was "Good" lol @-@ okay fair enough I agree none of this can be labeled "good" Edited May 30, 2020 by Margarita
billsfan1959 Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Margarita said: Being that Floyd was black it is going to be labeled a racial issue even if that officer would have treated any other person the same way. That oficer may or may not be a racist but in view of The issues in the past involving blacks and the police that bridge was crossed by many people rightly or wrongly. Don’t you think it is kind of important that you be certain of what something is before you label it and start extrapolating what happened into some broader meaning? 2 1
BillStime Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: You cannot be that stupid to think that’s what @Buffalo_Gal is saying. So if passive disobedience is not working what exactly are you advocating? Ask Colin Kaepernick
Orlando Buffalo Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 33 minutes ago, BillStime said: I’m not advocating the looting and vandalism but passive disobedience is clearly not working. Do you honestly believe that we will ever get rid of every bad cop? Assuming you agree that level of thinking is childish and stupid then what else can be done now besides prosecute and convict him? If this stuff was as common place as you pretend it would never make the news. Chicago has had about 200 murders this year already but no one cares because it is expected. This cop should be convicted but stop pretending he is common. 3
muppy Posted May 30, 2020 Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Don’t you think it is kind of important that you be certain of what something is before you label it and start extrapolating what happened into some broader meaning? If you really think that black people aren't taking this as a racial affront (rightly or wrongly) we would disagree. I think you need to be black to understand their frustration and anger at the optic of it though. I can't judge that accurately or personally because Im not black but also as Im watching these protests unfurl a Lot of the folks protesting are not exclusively black. SO perhaps racial issues are not the majority part of this anger. But it has to be at least part due to our countries history thats just my opinion. There is a huge distrust between cops and people in general and racial stereotypes you know this. Black Lives Matter is example. great SMH my sons neighborhood in Brooklyn has fires burning this chit just got personal for me Edited May 30, 2020 by Margarita
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