whatdrought Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...in the big picture, it is immaterial to me....somebody posted his nationwide rap sheet here.......multiple infractions and probably a career criminal, but I don't recall anything heinous.......regardless, he should not have been suffocated to death period IMO......there was another post (unsubstantiated?) that the cop and the victim knew each other and perhaps worked side jobs together.....if IF so, that purported relationship may add more to the motive of the cop's actions because as they stand, it was beyond "over the top"......AND...may help to explain why the other three did not intervene.....I'm thinking there is a TON we do NOT know about YET.......... Concur. In a lot of these cases that th e media run with it’s important to know the context cause usually it’s ass backwards of what they’re saying (I.e. poor innocent black boy shot by cops while volunteering for charity typically turns into banger who just robbed a 7/11 with a gun ran from police and tried to fight.) but this one is clear regardless of what he did. He was properly restrained and not resisting at the point that the officer continued to use force that led to his death. Coulda been Ted Bundy under that knee and it’d still be murder/manslaughter. That being said, I will be curious to see what the heck the cop was thinking... Edited May 30, 2020 by whatdrought 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Albwan said: OH NOES DID LIL BRIAN STELTER GET HIT! HOPE HES NOT SAD ABOUT THIS Brooke Baldwin is probably looking out of a 7th-story window, cheering them on with prideful tears in her eyes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, RiotAct said: Brooke Baldwin is probably looking out of a 7th-story window, cheering them on with prideful tears in her eyes. and Don Lemon and George Costanza ( Brian Selter) are hiding under their desks wetting themselves 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 minute ago, bilzfancy said: and Don Lemon and George Costanza ( Brian Selter) are hiding under their desks wetting themselves the guy with the orchestra who had a couple big hits in the ‘90s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 I read something, I believe from the documents charging him, that when another officer couldn't get a pulse, the accused cop maintained pressure on the guy's neck for another 2 and a half minutes. Not that any other part of this looks good at all, but that part is beyond disgusting and I can't imagine any circumstance that could possibly introduce any nuance whatsoever to that. They need to charge the guy with the right offenses and make them stick. They need to dig for every possible charge and pile them on. Does the above qualify as desecration of a corpse? Every single thing needs to be charged but they can't overcharge...maybe murder 1 is an overcharge maybe not.....because every charge needs conviction....he can't get acquitted on anything. The protests that include violence are not justified. They are not. I think people swept up in the chaos and committing impulsive acts, are one thing and it is impractical to go after them. If they can somehow identify groups organizing these things......that needs follow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Niagara Bill said: Come on billsfan. You can be an intelligent poster. How many cops knew this guy was a lose cannon and did nothing, so they get tarred with it too. Of course most officers are not racists and all blacks are not violent and dangerous druggies. BUT, if other officers know, which they do, and say nothing, or the command know and the blue line blocks the truth then should all be tarred. I am not a religious guy, but I pray that the US can just find a way to understand and respect each other. It is hard to imagine with the leadership you have today Sorry NB, I am not into painting entire groups with the same broad brush stroke. Feel free; however, when you do, just know that you pretty much become the very thing you are railing against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, RiotAct said: the guy with the orchestra who had a couple big hits in the ‘90s? Yes but he is bald and angry now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 You might be racist if.... You think Thug means black 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilzfancy Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, RiotAct said: the guy with the orchestra who had a couple big hits in the ‘90s? The Stray Cats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, RiotAct said: Brooke Baldwin is probably looking out of a 7th-story window, cheering them on with prideful tears in her eyes. I thought Brooke was working late in the building trying to find her missing dyldo? Edited May 30, 2020 by njbuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 hour ago, RiotAct said: or the low-tech version, run your fingernail lightly over Hamilton / Jackson / Grant / Franklin’s collar (assuming the bill is from the 70s or later). If you can feel the raised ink, it’s real. But, absent fingers in my example, epic fail? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: You might be racist if.... You think Thug means black That is the automatic trigger word to people on the left. They automatically think if you use the word "thug" you are talking about black people ONLY. That is the trigger, especially in an election year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 51 minutes ago, RiotAct said: Brian Stelter shaking and crying under his desk, Don Lemon spooning Anderson Cooper trying to console him 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: If you think the victims of looting, vandalism, shootings and assaults are exclusively white, you’re part of the problem, not the solution. If you think watching what typically represents a lifetime of work, sweat, blood and sacrifice burn to the ground represents a mere “inconvenience”, you’re a fool. If you’re simple enough to not consider the ramifications of widespread looting, violence and destruction on a community, of the jobs lost, buildings abandoned, major retailers deciding it’s not worth the effort to rebuild there...ah, whatever. Keep on with your silliness. People of depth, character and consideration for their fellow man will do the best they can to go around you. He is too braindead to know that black businesses have been destroyed in this process. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said: Brian Stelter shaking and crying under his desk, Don Lemon spooning Anderson Cooper trying to console him I thought they did their shows at the CNN building in NYC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: But, absent fingers in my example, epic fail? ? you could use a toenail I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: I thought they did their shows at the CNN building in NYC? They do shows? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 The cop was arrested, so now the thugs have moved on to other cities to protest ... what exactly? And this... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SectionC3 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Koko78 said: Looking at the Minnesota homicide statutes, it seems that Murder 3rd and Manslaughter 1st are the most appropriate charges. It would appear that there could be an argument for Murder 2nd, but I would have to do more research than I am interested in. Murder 1st doesn't look like a viable charge, from what I know of the facts. That they may have known each other is of no real moment. Murder 1st Murder 2nd Murder 3rd Manslaughter 1st As for arresting him on the spot, that's a far more tricky question. It's hard to judge, in the heat of the moment, whether an officer's actions were justifiable, and it does no one any good to make a snap decision to arrest an officer on the scene. He certainly should have been immediately suspended (or put on a desk job) pending investigation, but arresting him on the spot wasn't likely reasonable - especially if the other officers were claiming Mr. Floyd was resisting. Cops are authorized to use force in situations where Joe Citizen is not, so it's not always an easy spot call until all the facts are in. I am quite surprised that they fired all 4 officers so fast. That would never happen in NY, with all the civil service protection rules and procedures. According to the AP the man charge is man 2. I looked at the links you posted (thanks; nice job) and man 2 seems to make more sense than man 1 here. good points on your end about reasons for no immediate arrest and on the civil end of things. Nicely done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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