Alaska Darin Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 4:58 PM, Buffalo_Gal said: Did you serve warrants? If so, what did you do to protect yourself from being shot when serving in dangerous situations? Expand Yes. You use responsible strategy and tactical planning. Generally you execute "raid" warrants in the middle of the night when you're trying to take down a drug den with reinforced entrances and multiple known shooters inside. The took an apartment door with a Chicago key, for crying out loud. If there was a single responsible journalist in the world, they'd be asking the very simple question "Why was this course of action the BEST way to serve this warrant?" 1 1
Buffalo_Gal Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 5:02 PM, Alaska Darin said: Yes. You use responsible strategy and tactical planning. Generally you execute "raid" warrants in the middle of the night when you're trying to take down a drug den here with reinforced entrances and multiple known shooters inside. The took an apartment door with a Chicago key, for crying out loud. If there was a single responsible journalist in the world, they'd be asking the very simple question "Why was this course of action the BEST way to serve this warrant?" Expand So you would have gone at say... 3am versus 1am? And what about the knocking to let them know they were there. Would you have done that?
Alaska Darin Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 5:04 PM, Buffalo_Gal said: So you would have gone at say... 3am versus 1am? And what about the knocking to let them know they were there. Would you have done that? Expand If I was in charge I wouldn't have gone to the apartment complex at all. Again, they had his patterns (when he resupplied for example) so why not just get him on one of those trips and then search the residence at your leisure? They had a "No Knock" warrant. I don't agree with "No Knock" warrants but they're legal. I "understand" why "No Knock" warrants were put in place (again, to go into known drug dens with multiple known shooters) but the government can't help but use the tools at their disposal even when they're not warranted because most of the time they'll win at trial because juries would rather see drug dealers behind bars than walking around, civil liberties be damned. 1
Joe Miner Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 4:54 PM, Alaska Darin said: Obviously you're not in law enforcement. Reality check: In order to obtain a warrant, you have to have probable cause. In this instance, they had multiple times surveilled this perp and had patterns, which were in the warrant documentation. Patterns are the key. If you have patterns, you can chose your arrest point based on them. It's "generally" much easier to simply traffic stop or catch them as they leave the apartment building in a more controlled situation. What they "decided" on was (seemingly) a fundamentally more risky course of action and it ended up with multiple high velocity rounds being sprayed around in a populated apartment complex. It's stupid, lazy, and put a large number of innocent people in unnecessary danger. These senseless tactical decisions are the reason why inexperienced and stupid politicians feel the need to constantly tie cop's hands. Expand I believe there was a second warrant that had just been served at a separate and much higher risk location. I believe there was some need to have the timing of this warrant line up. But without knowing all of the factors involved in these warrants, the evidence, and the decision points along the way, I’ll withhold judgment on whether this was the best time or not to serve the warrant. Serving warrants is a dangerous job for all involved no matter the precautions taken. No one here knows what was discussed and what decisions were made in the planning leading up to this. Because there were possibilities for different decisions to be made, doesn’t mean that those possibilities weren’t evaluated and rejected based upon other information. 4 1
Alaska Darin Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 5:13 PM, Joe Miner said: I believe there was a second warrant that had just been served at a separate and much higher risk location. I believe there was some need to have the timing of this warrant line up. But without knowing all of the factors involved in these warrants, the evidence, and the decision points along the way, I’ll withhold judgment on whether this was the best time or not to serve the warrant. Serving warrants is a dangerous job for all involved no matter the precautions taken. No one here knows what was discussed and what decisions were made in the planning leading up to this. Because there were possibilities for different decisions to be made, doesn’t mean that those possibilities weren’t evaluated and rejected based upon other information. Expand Fair statements, to be certain.
Joe Miner Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) I’m mostly pissed at the news on this subject. The past several months the local and national news have been reporting every story about Breonna under the sun regardless of truth. Half of the people upset about this STILL think the cops broke in and shot her in bed asleep. They also STILL think the cops were at the wrong address. Why? Because that’s what was initially reported for several weeks. Innocent, black, EMT, who was a good citizen was murdered in her sleep by police in a botched raid. I’m all for freedom of speech. But there also has to be some accountability when false stories are repeatedly presented as truth and no corrections are made clear. Edited September 24, 2020 by Joe Miner 3 1
Alaska Darin Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 5:20 PM, Joe Miner said: I’m mostly pissed at the news on this subject. The past several months the local and national news have been reporting every story about Breonna under the sun regardless of truth. Half of the people upset about this STILL think the cops broke in and shot her in bed asleep. They also STILL think the cops were at the wrong address. Why? Because that’s what was initially reported for several weeks. Innocent, black, EMT, who was a good citizen was murdered in her sleep by police in a botched raid. I’m all for freedom of speech. But there also has to be some accountability when false stories are repeatedly presented as truth and no corrections are made clear. Expand Absolutely correct. All of these "journalists" should be ashamed of themselves. Honestly, it's going to take a lot to convince me this isn't all part of a larger plot to seriously damage the U.S. There are just too many convenient things happening in unison. 1 1
Sherlock Holmes Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 5:09 PM, Alaska Darin said: If I was in charge I wouldn't have gone to the apartment complex at all. Again, they had his patterns (when he resupplied for example) so why not just get him on one of those trips and then search the residence at your leisure? They had a "No Knock" warrant. I don't agree with "No Knock" warrants but they're legal. I "understand" why "No Knock" warrants were put in place (again, to go into known drug dens with multiple known shooters) but the government can't help but use the tools at their disposal even when they're not warranted because most of the time they'll win at trial because juries would rather see drug dealers behind bars than walking around, civil liberties be damned. Expand This is what is very dangerous... how innocent people can get put in prison because of the "somebody needs to pay" mentality a lot of people have.
Alaska Darin Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 5:28 PM, Sherlock Holmes said: This is what is very dangerous... how innocent people can get put in prison because of the "somebody needs to pay" mentality a lot of people have. Expand Agreed. Citizens need to understand we're the most important check and balance in the system. 1
bdutton Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 5:20 PM, Joe Miner said: I’m mostly pissed at the news on this subject. The past several months the local and national news have been reporting every story about Breonna under the sun regardless of truth. Half of the people upset about this STILL think the cops broke in and shot her in bed asleep. They also STILL think the cops were at the wrong address. Why? Because that’s what was initially reported for several weeks. Innocent, black, EMT, who was a good citizen was murdered in her sleep by police in a botched raid. I’m all for freedom of speech. But there also has to be some accountability when false stories are repeatedly presented as truth and no corrections are made clear. Expand To be fair. It was not a botched raid. It was a botched warrant. The cops were put into that situation due to information that they could not control.
whatdrought Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 5:37 PM, bdutton said: To be fair. It was not a botched raid. It was a botched warrant. The cops were put into that situation due to information that they could not control. Expand I think Joe is saying that that is the narrative the media is pushing though completely false. I’m not sure I understand your second comment- the cops were doing their job and were shot at...?
bdutton Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) On 9/24/2020 at 6:05 PM, whatdrought said: I think Joe is saying that that is the narrative the media is pushing though completely false. I’m not sure I understand your second comment- the cops were doing their job and were shot at...? Expand The cops were executing a raid based on a warrant. The people that got the warrant in the first place had the wrong information. The cops executing the warrant are the ones getting in trouble (wrongfully) for it. Just doing their job. Edited September 24, 2020 by bdutton
whatdrought Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 6:08 PM, bdutton said: The cops were executing a raid based on a warrant. The people that got the warrant in the first place had the wrong information. The cops executing the warrant are the ones getting in trouble (wrongfully) for it. Just doing their job. Expand What wrong information?
bdutton Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 6:09 PM, whatdrought said: What wrong information? Expand That the address they were searching was a drug house.
whatdrought Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) On 9/24/2020 at 6:11 PM, bdutton said: That the address they were searching was a drug house. Expand I may be incorrect here, but I don’t think that was the premise the warrant was based on at all. My belief was they were searching Taylor’s house because she had acted as a mail service for the drug dealer who was her ex boyfriend. He had mail delivered to her place, picked it up, and then was followed directly to a stash house. Their search was in relation to that and trying to find additional evidence/components of his network. That explains why the late night raid- as they had just arrested him and wanted to grab as many moving parts as possible. Edited September 24, 2020 by whatdrought
B-Man Posted September 24, 2020 Author Posted September 24, 2020 ON THE HORNS OF A WOKE DILEMMA: Leftists outraged at Biden quickly condemning violence and offering prayers for officers shot in Louisville. #BidenRiots
bdutton Posted September 24, 2020 Posted September 24, 2020 (edited) On 9/24/2020 at 6:16 PM, whatdrought said: I may be incorrect here, but I don’t think that was the premise the warrant was based on at all. My belief was they were searching Taylor’s house because she had acted as a mail service for the drug dealer who was her ex boyfriend. He had mail delivered to her place, picked it up, and then was followed directly to a stash house. Expand "Police suspected, according to the May report written by Jaynes, that Glover "may be keeping narcotics and/or proceeds from the sale of narcotics at (Taylor's apartment) for safekeeping." A property seizure log completed after searching Taylor's apartment following the shooting listed no drugs or money." Nothing was found. The Detective responsible for writing and getting approval for the warrant was reassigned pending an investigation. Bottom line it was a shitshow but the cops getting punished (my point) are paying the price for bad intelligence. Edited September 24, 2020 by bdutton
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