3rdnlng Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 When the mob tears down a statue it is an act of anarchy. If a city council or legislature determines that a statue be torn down it is not an act of anarchy. Communism is born out of anarchy. Many of the people who are presently committing anarchism have freely admitted that they are Marxist. It's no great leap to figure out what's going on. 4
B-Man Posted June 21, 2020 Author Posted June 21, 2020 I cannot believe that a simple cartoon needs to be explained. FIRST, the fact that it is Columbus really doesn’t enter into it, other than the fact that it was the last one done two days ago all your posts about him are superfluous squirrels The liberal mob tearing down statue after statue, without any public support, because they disagree with them is how Socialism operates. Think. 2
Deranged Rhino Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 8:27 PM, Warcodered said: I'd say it's rather obvious I don't consider it to be a fact.? Expand Being wrong about a fact doesn't suddenly make it an opinion. If morality wasn't an ever changing construct in history you could prove it. But you cannot. While I can prove, very easily, that it is. You're wrong. All the way. On 6/21/2020 at 8:27 PM, Warcodered said: and I'd say it has always been wrong even when society deemed it to be acceptable. Expand You can say this because you were born into a world where slavery was deemed a moral evil. That took hundreds of years to change, and one of the bloodiest wars in our nation's history. Which, of course, only proves my point. On 6/21/2020 at 8:27 PM, Warcodered said: No if I'd been born in raised in those times I'd be pretty likely to believe in all those things like average person of those times, it wouldn't make me right though. Expand But it wouldn't make you evil, or unworthy of your place in history. 1
Deranged Rhino Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 8:25 PM, Deranged Rhino said: CTE is real, kids. Expand
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 8:28 PM, 3rdnlng said: When the mob tears down a statue it is an act of anarchy. If a city council or legislature determines that a statue be torn down it is not an act of anarchy. Communism is born out of anarchy. Many of the people who are presently committing anarchism have freely admitted that they are Marxist. It's no great leap to figure out what's going on. Expand It’s not anarchy, it’s a communist revolution. Anarchy is building a shed without a permit, or drinking raw milk sold to you by a neighbor in a non-State sanctioned currency without paying taxes, or hunting or fishing without a license. 4
Warcodered Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 8:27 PM, TakeYouToTasker said: How can you be diametrically opposed to the reality that human morality has changed throughout the course of human history? The entire concept of morality has been fluid throughout human‘s social development and levels of interaction over the last six million years or so. The introduction of modern religions designate a clear shift in moral attitudes, the Stoics and later the Enlightenment another, as the modern concepts of human freedom as a virtue didn‘t even exist until that point. And the reason they didn’t exist? Until that point life was too hard, and too brutal, for individuals to spend much, if any, time engaged in developing moral philosophy. Until Locke presented his argument, it was generally presumed that the proper moral order was that everyone existed under the absolute rule of a monarch who derived his power directly from the Divine. Believing that none of this is true is an outright rejection of the realities of human history. Expand On 6/21/2020 at 8:29 PM, Deranged Rhino said: Being wrong about a fact doesn't suddenly make it an opinion. If morality wasn't an ever changing construct in history you could prove it. But you cannot. While I can prove, very easily, that it is. You're wrong. All the way. You can say this because you were born into a world where slavery was deemed a moral evil. That took hundreds of years to change, and one of the bloodiest wars in our nation's history. Which, of course, only proves my point. But it wouldn't make you evil, or unworthy of your place in history. Expand I'd say what I'm arguing is the existence and separation of intrinsic morality from a historic cultural morality.
123719bwiqrb Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 8:55 PM, Rob's House said: Expand cucking funts
Deranged Rhino Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 9:01 PM, Warcodered said: I'd say what I'm arguing is the existence and separation of intrinsic morality from a historic cultural morality. Expand If that’s true, then show me how this “intrinsic morality” has existed unchanged throughout time. Give me philosophers, or literature, or any minds that cross the chasm of history all citing the same intrinsic morality. ... You can’t do it, because what you’re arguing doesn’t exist. You’re taking our modern morality and saying it’s the peak, and will never be changed, evolve, or be re-examined by future generations of philosophers and humans. 2
Rob's House Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 9:07 PM, 123719bwiqrb said: cucking funts Expand He's trolling the left. 2
Dr. Who Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 9:01 PM, Warcodered said: I'd say what I'm arguing is the existence and separation of intrinsic morality from a historic cultural morality. Expand I think you might be trying to assert an objective moral law --- you could assert this as a Kantian or follow the natural law tradition discoverable in Aquinas among others. I have a fair amount of sympathy for the natural law thesis, though there's no doubt that even if one grants it exists, it is not immediately self-evident and requires certain prerequisite beliefs as a foundation for it's rationality. (Granted, there are no ethics without at least an implicit metaphysics and first principles are not demonstrable, though one can intuit them.) C. S. Lewis wrote a book decades ago, The Abolition of Man, that argued for a perduring sense of morality transcendent of any particular culture. I think one can become so deracinated and cut off from communal relations that foundational experiences necessary to recognize an objective moral law are lacking. And, of course, in a meritricious, decadent society, sophists gain control of the modes of education and youth begin ignorant and end in entrenched ideology that blinds them to any substantial understanding of reality. Truth as transcendent purchase on an objectivity that cannot simply be written out of existence by human fiat is pretty much the opposite of cancel "culture." 1 2
reddogblitz Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 7:26 PM, Warcodered said: Right so go off the cartoon the implication is that the pulling down of Columbus' statue leads to Communism could you tell me how? So you're of the opinion that morality is subjective? Expand Guess what. Some of the things you are doing now will be considered abhorrent 150 years from today. 2
TakeYouToTasker Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 9:01 PM, Warcodered said: I'd say what I'm arguing is the existence and separation of intrinsic morality from a historic cultural morality. Expand How can this be if human social development disagrees with it?
Warcodered Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 9:11 PM, Deranged Rhino said: If that’s true, then show me how this “intrinsic morality” has existed unchanged throughout time. Give me philosophers, or literature, or any minds that cross the chasm of history all citing the same intrinsic morality. ... You can’t do it, because what you’re arguing doesn’t exist. You’re taking our modern morality and saying it’s the peak, and will never be changed, evolve, or be re-examined by future generations of philosophers and humans. Expand https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/value-intrinsic-extrinsic/ On 6/21/2020 at 9:20 PM, reddogblitz said: Guess what. Some of the things you are doing now will be considered abhorrent 150 years from today. Expand That's inevitably true all I can do is the best I can with how I see the world now doesn't mean people in future with a hopefully better understanding of the world shouldn't judge my mistakes.
reddogblitz Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 9:25 PM, Warcodered said: That's inevitably true all I can do is the best I can with how I see the world now doesn't mean people in future with a hopefully better understanding of the world shouldn't judge my mistakes. Expand Couldn't the same be said of people from previous generations? Don't you think they were doing their best with what they had? 2
Magox Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 Another Confederate Statue to be taken down hold up.... what? 1 3 2
Deranged Rhino Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 9:25 PM, Warcodered said: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/value-intrinsic-extrinsic/ Expand You realize this works against your point. On 6/21/2020 at 9:57 PM, Magox said: Another Confederate Statue to be taken down hold up.... what? Expand Wonder what they’ll do to Rushmore. 1
3rdnlng Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 8:44 PM, TakeYouToTasker said: It’s not anarchy, it’s a communist revolution. Anarchy is building a shed without a permit, or drinking raw milk sold to you by a neighbor in a non-State sanctioned currency without paying taxes, or hunting or fishing without a license. Expand anarchy [ˈanərkē] NOUN a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority. "he must ensure public order in a country threatened with anarchy" synonyms: lawlessness · absence of government · nihilism · mobocracy · revolution · insurrection · riot · rebellion · mutiny · disorder · disorganization · misrule · chaos · tumult · turmoil · mayhem · pandemonium absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ It takes anarchy to tear down the existing norms in order to set up for a communist revolution.
Warcodered Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 10:02 PM, Deranged Rhino said: You realize this works against your point. Expand Care to elaborate?
Deranged Rhino Posted June 21, 2020 Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/21/2020 at 10:16 PM, Warcodered said: Care to elaborate? Expand Who taught Plato? Who did Plato teach? Did their philosophies evolve? Or remain static?
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