Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 At this moment Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jim Kelly have the same career completion percentage of 60.1% CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Totally different eras that shouldn't be compared. Fitz wouldn't come close to 60% in the Kelly era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 I agree I was just trying to make a point CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I wonder what their career picks are in comparison, as I don't remember Kelly as a pick machine like Fitz. Now Kelly played on great teams, and Fitz until last year played on crappy teams including us. You see my handle so you know my nepotism for Kelly, but CBF, it's a very valid point. You have to look at a player in his totality of the teams he played on, and all facts, vs. cherry picking one stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I wonder what their career picks are in comparison, as I don't remember Kelly as a pick machine like Fitz. Now Kelly played on great teams, and Fitz until last year played on crappy teams including us. You see my handle so you know my nepotism for Kelly, but CBF, it's a very valid point. You have to look at a player in his totality of the teams he played on, and all facts, vs. cherry picking one stat. Fitz - 113 games played - 116 INT Kelly - 160 games played - 175 INT So Kelly had a slightly higher INT/Games played ratio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 16, 2016 Author Share Posted March 16, 2016 I agree. Im only showing this stat to prove how stupid it is to only look at stats. Kelly is one of the all time greats and i just wanted to use this to show people that there is more to take into consideration than just stats CBF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I agree. Im only showing this stat to prove how stupid it is to only look at stats. Kelly is one of the all time greats and i just wanted to use this to show people that there is more to take into consideration than just stats CBF Yeah... Yeah ... You're just starting to build the case to bring Fitzmagic back.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Fitz has beaten one team with a .500 record in 4 years. Fraud !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 I don't think the "passing rules" had too much to do with it. Elway was a career 56% passer because he wasn't that accurate of a passer. He had 7 seasons at or below 55%. Steve young was far more accurate at 64% career. Eli Manning is only a career 59%. Luck, considered the most gifted young QB in the league is only 58%. Newton, the "TD machine" is just under 60% Brady at 63%--really no different than Kelly for practical purposes. The "modern era" hasn't done much for these guys in this stat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 (edited) Fitz has beaten one team with a .500 record in 4 years. Fraud !!!!! That's simply not true. At this moment Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jim Kelly have the same career completion percentage of 60.1% CBF This does nothing to expose anything football statistics. It does go to show that you cannot compare statistics from era to era. I read recently that Kirk Cousins broke the Redskins' all time single season completion % record this season. Whose record did he break? Try RG3 the previous season! Not 2012 RG3 but the RG3 that got replaced. This is why I would get so frustrated when people would say stuff like "EJ Manuel's first 14 games compare favorably with Bernie Kosar's first 14 games (or some QB from the mid 80's)." THAT means absolutely nothing. Back in 1985, you could win the MVP with like 25 TD's, 17 INT's and 3,500 yards or thereabouts. All that being said, comparing stats from two QB's from the SAME era is as pertinent as ever. I wonder what their career picks are in comparison, as I don't remember Kelly as a pick machine like Fitz. Now Kelly played on great teams, and Fitz until last year played on crappy teams including us. You see my handle so you know my nepotism for Kelly, but CBF, it's a very valid point. You have to look at a player in his totality of the teams he played on, and all facts, vs. cherry picking one stat. Just curious how old you were during Kelly's prime? He threw a lot of picks my friend. Edited March 16, 2016 by metzelaars_lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 At this moment Ryan Fitzpatrick and Jim Kelly have the same career completion percentage of 60.1% CBF Trent Edwards is 60.6%.... Completion stat in isolatation means something.... but not much. If you must use one stat... I think YPA is the best single metric to compare QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 @metz. Heard that stat about Fitz on the radio today. It's not true ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Fitz - 113 games played - 116 INT Kelly - 160 games played - 175 INT So Kelly had a slightly higher INT/Games played ratio. What about all of Kelly's stats? He threw a lot of picks my friend. He sure did... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted March 16, 2016 Share Posted March 16, 2016 Just curious how old you were during Kelly's prime? He threw a lot of picks my friend. The worst pick Kelly threw was that End Zone INT vs the Dolphins in a game that kept us out of the playoffs somewhere between 95-97, cant remember which year but as a child it killed me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) Just curious how old you were during Kelly's prime? He threw a lot of picks my friend. Bunched 'em too, and had a bad habit of throwing the team into a deep pit with multiple INTs in the biggest games. Not intended as a knock on Kelly. He was an all-time-great QB. In retrospect, not always his best in the post-season Edited March 17, 2016 by Hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 I don't think the "passing rules" had too much to do with it. Elway was a career 56% passer because he wasn't that accurate of a passer. He had 7 seasons at or below 55%. Steve young was far more accurate at 64% career. Eli Manning is only a career 59%. Luck, considered the most gifted young QB in the league is only 58%. Newton, the "TD machine" is just under 60% Brady at 63%--really no different than Kelly for practical purposes. The "modern era" hasn't done much for these guys in this stat. You don't think the difference in career percentages between 63% and 56% is significant regardless of the factors ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 All passing stats in the last 5 years should come with *. Everything is completely inflated. Matt Stafford is apparently on Marino's level because he has 5,000 yard passing seasons. It's flag football and they are begging you to pass. That's why I worry about having a run first offense. Bunched 'em too, and had a bad habit of throwing the team into a deep pit with multiple INTs in the biggest games. Not intended as a knock on Kelly. He was an all-time-great QB. In retrospect, not always his best in the post-season Good post. Kelly had some of his worst games in the biggest moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 Fitz would have got Andre Reed into the HOF as well, he throws a great slant. As far as his long ball goes, Lofton and Beebe would've been bummed for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) I agree I was just trying to make a point CBF Your point doesn't make sense... Since you will need another stat to show that those two people were from statistically different times in football. What the title should have said is "Cherry picking stats is dumb." When you look at every stat put together they basically do tell everything. Edited March 17, 2016 by Beef Jerky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 That's simply not true. This does nothing to expose anything football statistics. It does go to show that you cannot compare statistics from era to era. I read recently that Kirk Cousins broke the Redskins' all time single season completion % record this season. Whose record did he break? Try RG3 the previous season! Not 2012 RG3 but the RG3 that got replaced. This is why I would get so frustrated when people would say stuff like "EJ Manuel's first 14 games compare favorably with Bernie Kosar's first 14 games (or some QB from the mid 80's)." THAT means absolutely nothing. Back in 1985, you could win the MVP with like 25 TD's, 17 INT's and 3,500 yards or thereabouts. All that being said, comparing stats from two QB's from the SAME era is as pertinent as ever. Just curious how old you were during Kelly's prime? He threw a lot of picks my friend. I'm 48 partner although I'm told i look no older and 47.5 yrs old . So basically i was 18-28 when he was the QB and been an NFL and Bills fanatic since i was 6. I remember distinctly the day OJ went for 2003. As far as Kelly, I really don't remember it, and when i moved to Tampa in January of 91, five days before the SB there, my Buffalo buddies and I went to sports bars every week to see our games, vs. the creamsicles. i guess the first thing to lose is memory with age. Anyway, thanks for sharing. I still wouldn't want Fitzy back. Not saying you do, but CBF makes a very good point on stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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