dave mcbride Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) http://www.capitalnewyork.com/sites/default/files/NYT-RESPONSE-TO-NFL.pdf?smid=tw-nytsports&smtyp=cur and http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl-news/4700286-new-york-times-nfl-response-letter-concussion-article plus deadspin weighs in! http://deadspin.com/new-york-times-responds-to-nfls-demand-for-retraction-1768035969 My god the league is inept. Edited March 30, 2016 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 http://www.capitalnewyork.com/sites/default/files/NYT-RESPONSE-TO-NFL.pdf?smid=tw-nytsports&smtyp=cur and http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl-news/4700286-new-york-times-nfl-response-letter-concussion-article plus deadspin weighs in! http://deadspin.com/new-york-times-responds-to-nfls-demand-for-retraction-1768035969 My god the league is inept. Inept? How about masters of manipulation? Continuously stoking the flames to keep themselves on the front page in the off season. Does no one remember "deflategate" and "the Wells Report" just a year ago? The best part is Deadspin saying the NYT lawyers' letter had the NFL "on the ropes". I'm sure all 32 owners got a kick out of the Times giving them some above the fold coverage. They don't have any shites to give on this topic--another off season story to keep interest high until the Draft. They know they have and endless supply of players who, knowing all that is currently known about head injuries and CTE and football, still will happily play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Inept? How about masters of manipulation? Continuously stoking the flames to keep themselves on the front page in the off season. Does no one remember "deflategate" and "the Wells Report" just a year ago? The best part is Deadspin saying the NYT lawyers' letter had the NFL "on the ropes". I'm sure all 32 owners got a kick out of the Times giving them some above the fold coverage. They don't have any shites to give on this topic--another off season story to keep interest high until the Draft. They know they have and endless supply of players who, knowing all that is currently known about head injuries and CTE and football, still will happily play the game. You know, there really is such a thing as bad publicity. Don't believe people who tell you otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 You know, there really is such a thing as bad publicity. Don't believe people who tell you otherwise. When has this been true for the NFL? How has it harmed them? When the season rolls around, fans don't care about CTE, deflategate, bountygate, spygate, Ray Rice, drugs/weapons/assault/murder. This is showbiz and there is no bad publicity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) When has this been true for the NFL? How has it harmed them? When the season rolls around, fans don't care about CTE, deflategate, bountygate, spygate, Ray Rice, drugs/weapons/assault/murder. This is showbiz and there is no bad publicity. As someone who works in the media industry, I can assure you that there is such a thing as bad publicity in showbiz. The question isn't about how this story hasn't manifestly harmed the league's tv ratings; it's about how much better the league would be doing -- and related to this, youth football -- without the constant grind of damning concussion/CTE stories accompanied by pathetically hamhanded attempts by the league to wave them away. The league will survive and probably prosper because enough talented kids will continue to play in states south of the Mason-Dixon line, but don't be surprised if participation craters in the rest of the country over the next dozen years or so. If that happens, how is it good -- or at least non-negative -- for the league? Edited March 31, 2016 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 31, 2016 Author Share Posted March 31, 2016 @PFWeekly Study: Amateur football hits linked to later-life cognitive difficulty: https://t.co/PS4gEwX38o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 1, 2016 Author Share Posted April 1, 2016 Joe D. NFL Hall of Famer continues battle with brain disease, sees progress: http://www.fox46charlotte.com/sports/114672897-story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 1, 2016 Share Posted April 1, 2016 As someone who works in the media industry, I can assure you that there is such a thing as bad publicity in showbiz. The question isn't about how this story hasn't manifestly harmed the league's tv ratings; it's about how much better the league would be doing -- and related to this, youth football -- without the constant grind of damning concussion/CTE stories accompanied by pathetically hamhanded attempts by the league to wave them away. The league will survive and probably prosper because enough talented kids will continue to play in states south of the Mason-Dixon line, but don't be surprised if participation craters in the rest of the country over the next dozen years or so. If that happens, how is it good -- or at least non-negative -- for the league? So the NFL was supposed to, some years ago, be thinking of youth football when it paid for shady studies? There is nothing the NFL could have done to alter the fact that players risk head injury which may cause neurological disease in a relative few. The NFL has not caused CTE--it is far more likely that most if not all players would already have pathologic evidence of it as rookies. And despite all of the "bad publicity" nearly every NFL player who played last year is looking forward to making a roster this year. As for youth football, if anything, all of this bad publicity may be responsible for parents making a more informed choice for their kids. Even if the NFL came out this year and sad "our research indicates football causes CTE", what would the difference be? The fact that a few years ago, the league tried to obscure that fact means very little to players who don't really seem to care (which is essentially all of them). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 So the NFL was supposed to, some years ago, be thinking of youth football when it paid for shady studies? There is nothing the NFL could have done to alter the fact that players risk head injury which may cause neurological disease in a relative few. The NFL has not caused CTE--it is far more likely that most if not all players would already have pathologic evidence of it as rookies. And despite all of the "bad publicity" nearly every NFL player who played last year is looking forward to making a roster this year. As for youth football, if anything, all of this bad publicity may be responsible for parents making a more informed choice for their kids. Even if the NFL came out this year and sad "our research indicates football causes CTE", what would the difference be? The fact that a few years ago, the league tried to obscure that fact means very little to players who don't really seem to care (which is essentially all of them). I think we're talking past each other at this point. I was simply saying that this story along with the league's pathetic response isn't good for the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 2, 2016 Share Posted April 2, 2016 I think we're talking past each other at this point. I was simply saying that this story along with the league's pathetic response isn't good for the league. Maybe. But it was only 2 years ago or so that people seemed shocked by the clumsy and tone deaf response of the league to the Ray Rice (and others) domestic violence issues. It was roundly assumed that this was a PR disaster, yet no one now even speaks about that or bothers to remember it. Two years from now, the NFL won';t be defending its handling of brain trauma research either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 11, 2016 Author Share Posted April 11, 2016 @protectthebrain Bruce Arians Is Fed Up With Moms' Extremely Sensible Safety Concerns http://deadspin.com/bruce-arians-is-fed-up-with-moms-extremely-sensible-saf-1770149953 via @Deadspin #protectthebrain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 Joe D. NFL Hall of Famer continues battle with brain disease, sees progress: http://www.fox46charlotte.com/sports/114672897-story That's pretty awesome right there, hopefully we will keep learning about the disease and how to treat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 12, 2016 Author Share Posted April 12, 2016 Study: Over '40 percent' of ex-NFLers tested had traumatic brain injury A study of retired NFL players shows that 'more than 40 percent' of those tested had traumatic brain injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxum Posted April 12, 2016 Share Posted April 12, 2016 Study: Over '40 percent' of ex-NFLers tested had traumatic brain injury More news: No study done BEFORE they joined NFL to determine if they had it when they started NFL career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Study: Over '40 percent' of ex-NFLers tested had traumatic brain injury Typical media read of a scientific paper. Actually, they only studied 40 former players. 17 had evidence of brain injury. So...a self selected sample of 40 players out of over 10,000 individuals and the conclusion is that 40% of all players have a demonstrable brain injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 @AndrewBrandt Third Circuit addressed recent admission re CTE here, the NFL "conceding something already known": Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 @Sportsnet Appeals court upholds $1-billion NFL concussion settlement: http://sprtsnt.ca/1QhXZp6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 @Sportsnet Appeals court upholds $1-billion NFL concussion settlement: http://sprtsnt.ca/1QhXZp6 Huge win for the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 J.J. Watt undeterred by head trauma, compares risks to firefighting The three-time Defensive Player of the Year isn't planning on stepping away from the game due to concussions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 J.J. Watt undeterred by head trauma, compares risks to firefighting Don't care what adults do. Do care what kids do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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