dave mcbride Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) Kevin Turner has just passed away from ALS, which appears to result of repeated head injuries ... http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/kevin-turner-former-patriots-eagles-dies-46-als-battle-concussion-032416?cmpid=tsmfb:fscom:foxsports Edited March 24, 2016 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 Top NFL Draft prospect blows off CTE risk: 'That's what we sign up for' A USC linebacker thinks helmet-to-helmet hits should be legal. Bruce Arians: Parents who won't let kids play football 'are fools' Football is under attack and Cardinals coach Bruce Arians is tired of hearing about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 24, 2016 Author Share Posted March 24, 2016 The NYT has a very lengthy front page story alleging that (a) the League-mandated studies of head injuries were faulty (and probably intentionally so--for ex., some teams (including Jerrah's 'Boys during the Aikman years no less) didn't report in their concussions) and (b) the League took a tobacco industry approach to the issue by hiring several lawyers and lobbyists who had tobacco experience. Jerrah was not speaking in a vacuum yesterday--he knew this was coming..... http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/sports/football/nfl-concussion-research-tobacco.html?_r=0 @NFL NFL's response to the NYT article: https://t.co/NNXaZ6shfA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 @NFL NFL's response to the NYT article: https://t.co/NNXaZ6shfA The tobacco arguments from the Times seem weak to me, but the other stuff seems a bit more convincing to me, even after reading the League's denial.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 @NFL NFL's response to the NYT article: https://t.co/NNXaZ6shfA The nfl really doesn't address the core issue -- the extremely flawed data ( no concussions in six years for dallas??) -- in any depth. Instead, they focus on the side issue of tobacco. It's therefore a remarkably weak response, at east in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted March 25, 2016 Share Posted March 25, 2016 The nfl really doesn't address the core issue -- the extremely flawed data ( no concussions in six years for dallas??) -- in any depth. Instead, they focus on the side issue of tobacco. It's therefore a remarkably weak response, at east in my opinion. Totally agree. The Times also posted a rebuttal to the League's response this morning in which they basically say either "not true" or "the League put words in our mouth we never said". Pretty cut and dried stuff. To those paying attention, the League is not looking good here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 25, 2016 Author Share Posted March 25, 2016 @PFWeekly Not done refuting NYT report, NFL buys ads on Times' website: http://shawurl.com/2hqt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 26, 2016 Author Share Posted March 26, 2016 @PFWeekly Take 2: Should kids be encouraged to play football? @ArthurArkush & @NateAtkinsCF debate: http://shawurl.com/2hqx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 26, 2016 Author Share Posted March 26, 2016 Former Raiders donating brains to CTE research in honor of Ken Stabler Three former Oakland Raiders are donating their brains to CTE research in order to honor Hall of Famer Kenny Stabler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 Why it it, "hits in football"? Shouldn't it just be "hits to the head"? If you get hit in the head, does it only cause CTE if it's done while playing football? This article is about NFL football and it's not just hits to the head that cause the brain to rattle. Brain trauma can happen in any sport but there's nothing like football. The argument that grown-ups can do what they want is right on--the issue, and it's a big one--is that kids shouldn't play football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 27, 2016 Share Posted March 27, 2016 This article is about NFL football and it's not just hits to the head that cause the brain to rattle. Brain trauma can happen in any sport but there's nothing like football. The argument that grown-ups can do what they want is right on--the issue, and it's a big one--is that kids shouldn't play football. That's a parental decision, not related to what the NFL did or did not report in their concussion studies. Should kids wait until college to play football? Or is it OK to play as a high school student? Where do you draw the line, and how do you decide for your kids? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 No female athletes have been found to have had CTE, The New York Times reports. is there a possible genetic predisposition to CTE ? https://m.the-daily-record.com/opinion/2016/03/18/editorial-a-gift-for-cte-study this is like global warming.....where the sample size is very small. There has been climate change for over 1 Billion years.......and yet in a miniscule sample size , some science folks want to say that what has taken place in the most recent 200 years of the last 1,000,000,000 years is what should be considered "normal". Dr. Ann McKee: We have no idea what percentage of NFL players develop CTE Because researchers have studied the brains only of players who asked to have their brains studied — or whose families asked for their brains to be studied — the sample is biased. A randomly selected sample of NFL players’ brains would need to be compared to a randomly selected sample of non-NFL players’ brains for researchers to reach any kind of conclusion about the prevalence of CTE among NFL players compared to the prevalence of CTE among the population as a whole. So far, that kind of study has not been conducted. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/28/dr-ann-mckee-we-have-no-idea-what-percentage-of-nfl-players-develop-cte/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Observer Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 That's a parental decision, not related to what the NFL did or did not report in their concussion studies. Should kids wait until college to play football? Or is it OK to play as a high school student? Where do you draw the line, and how do you decide for your kids? It's a parent decision now but I suspect it won't be for long. Deciding for your own kids should be easy. Would you put a helmet on your son and hit them in the head 20 times a day for 3 months every fall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 It's a parent decision now but I suspect it won't be for long. Deciding for your own kids should be easy. Would you put a helmet on your son and hit them in the head 20 times a day for 3 months every fall? The point is not what would I or other parents choose, but that choice be allowed. Regardless, it has nothing at all to do with the NFL, where likely all players who reach that level will already have pathological evidence of CTE in their brains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Ask a player like Joe DeLamielleure if the sample size is small. Not only does he have it, he can tell you of many others that have it as well. It's not just CTE, it's also ALS. A Harvard study is going on that is looking at this subject. And if you are going to say the sample size of global warming is small, NASA published an article that says: Scientific Consensus: Earth's climate is warming. 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities. Not small. pretty sure hits to the head and concussions are not good for your health. it has yet to proven that they contribute to or are the ONLY way you can get CTE. not one known case of CTE for lady soccer, hockey , kick boxers etc..... has been reported. why only in men ? we have no idea what percent of the population who never played football get CTE. had a dear friend who passed from ALS, he never played football. way to early to draw any conclusions of any kind whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 28, 2016 Author Share Posted March 28, 2016 pretty sure hits to the head and concussions are not good for your health. it has yet to proven that they contribute to or are the ONLY way you can get CTE. not one known case of CTE for lady soccer, hockey , kick boxers etc..... has been reported. why only in men ? we have no idea what percent of the population who never played football get CTE. had a dear friend who passed from ALS, he never played football. way to early to draw any conclusions of any kind whatsoever. Interesting article on Hockey. @SportsCentre .@rwesthead: Link between fighting, concussions, personal tragedies discussed in NHL emails http://tsn.ca/1.460651 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 Kevin Turner has just passed away from ALS, which appears to result of repeated head injuries ... http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/kevin-turner-former-patriots-eagles-dies-46-als-battle-concussion-032416?cmpid=tsmfb:fscom:foxsports pretty sure hits to the head and concussions are not good for your health. it has yet to proven that they contribute to or are the ONLY way you can get CTE. not one known case of CTE for lady soccer, hockey , kick boxers etc..... has been reported. why only in men ? we have no idea what percent of the population who never played football get CTE. had a dear friend who passed from ALS, he never played football. way to early to draw any conclusions of any kind whatsoever. ALS and CTE are different diseases that may share some clinical features. They can be distinguished from each other at autopsy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsatthebeach Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) No female athletes have been found to have had CTE, The New York Times reports. is there a possible genetic predisposition to CTE ? https://m.the-daily-record.com/opinion/2016/03/18/editorial-a-gift-for-cte-study this is like global warming.....where the sample size is very small. There has been climate change for over 1 Billion years.......and yet in a miniscule sample size , some science folks want to say that what has taken place in the most recent 200 years of the last 1,000,000,000 years is what should be considered "normal". Ask a player like Joe DeLamielleure if the sample size is small. Not only does he have it, he can tell you of many others that have it as well. It's not just CTE, it's also ALS. And how about Darryl Talley, Tony Dorsett and others who were diagnosed in their 50's or 60's? What about Jr Seau and Dave Duerson? Duerson committed suicide by shooting himself in the chest, so that his brain could be studied. A Harvard study is going on that is looking more closely at this subject. And if you are going to say the sample size of global warming is small, NASA published an article that says: Scientific Consensus: Earth's climate is warming. 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities. Not small. Edited March 28, 2016 by gobillsatthebeach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxum Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) This article is about NFL football and it's not just hits to the head that cause the brain to rattle. Brain trauma can happen in any sport but there's nothing like football. The argument that grown-ups can do what they want is right on--the issue, and it's a big one--is that kids shouldn't play football. What about boxing? Does the fighting by players, against the rules with fines and punishment often disputed by NFLPA, contribute to this? What about the stomping by players on other players' heads? Edited March 28, 2016 by Koolaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobillsatthebeach Posted March 28, 2016 Share Posted March 28, 2016 What about boxing? Does the fighting by players, against the rules with fines and punishment often disputed by NFLPA, contribute to this? What about the stomping by players on other players' heads? The CTE link to boxing is much older than football. The term "punch drunk" is a euphemism for CTE from boxing. Some of the best known boxers in the history of the sport have been affected by some sort of mental degeneration. For example, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Floyd Patterson, Sugar Ray Robinson, Billy Conn, Joe Louis, Jerry Quarry, Emile Griffith, Freddie Roach. Later in life Floyd Patterson actually had to resign as a member of the New York State Boxing Commission because cognitively, he couldn’t think things through anymore. His reasoning was simply gone. Headgear definitely helps, but as we know it's not used at the professional level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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