Dante Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 I would politely ask you to check again. The "Cruz sides with protesters", was a narrative quickly picked up by the media/left and by the Trump campaign Here is what he said, as violence broke out, and Mr Trump's rally was canceled all together. Now, the responsibility for that lies with protesters who took violence into their own hands.” That’s true and it was important to say it. The next thing Cruz said was also exactly right: n any campaign responsibility starts at the top. Any candidate who is responsible for the culture of the campaign. And when you have a campaign that disrespects the voters, when you have a campaign that affirmatively encourages violence, when you have a campaign that is facing allegations of physical violence against members of the press, you create an environment that only encourages this sort of nasty discourse. That is not an indictment of Donald Trump for what lawless protesters did in Chicago. It is an indictment of Trump for encouraging rogue behavior, which inevitably begets more rogue behavior and perversely enables thugs to portray their thuggery as justifiable retaliation. Conservatives are champions of vigorous debate within the bounds of civil discourse. As conservative commentators who have been threatened, shouted down, censored, banned from speaking, and full-time demagogued will tell you, the point is not just to get one’s message across; it is the principle that the message is entitled to be heard even if it is unpopular. That is why we do not stoop to thug tactics or urge that the Left — with its legacy of laundering one-time terrorists into “social justice” activists — deserves an eye-for-an-eye. The law of the jungle is not the rule of law that we advocate. Civil society has to be civil society. Do you actually believe that Trumps campaign encourages violence? What is really discouraging for me that the conservatives are now stretching, spinning and misrepresenting like the left does. Any means to a end. Anything is ethical as long as it gets Trump. For Cruz to blame Trump is validating Move On, Soro's , Black Lives Matter and the rest of the real instigators. Which is kind of ironic since it's Trump being accused of that non sense.
birdog1960 Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) The only one making a different argument is you. Try to stay with me... You wrote this: I wrote this: My point was how far extrene both sides are going, violent idiocy notwithstanding. The GOP has a fake Republican urging his supporters to fight back (sounds a little like Obama's "bring a gun to a knife fight" no?) and you have a guy -- one step away from the DNC nomination -- convincing America's youth that the problem with our country is it's not a socialist state. But hey...you keep kicking the Trumpettes. Few people want Trump out as much as me. you omit the part where Bernie is actually correct. Bernie is the natural evolution of a party that has been more liberal than generally accepted for the last few decades. his ideas are not revolutionary for most liberal dems. they are reasonable. trump's ideas are not only revolutionary to many repub conservatives but are downright frightening to them. Bernie is not scaring the most conservative dem. he's a gadfly and a damn good one. trump is a demagogue and becoming more powerful in his fractured, dysfunctional party every day. Edited March 14, 2016 by birdog1960
meazza Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 you omit the part where Bernie is actually correct. Bernie is the natural evolution of a party that has been more liberal than generally accepted for the last few decades. his ideas are not revolutionary for most liberal dems. they are reasonable. trump's ideas are not only revolutionary to many repub conservatives but are downright frightening to them. Bernie is not scaring the most conservative dem. he's a gadfly and a damn good one. trump is a demagogue and becoming more powerful in his fractured, dysfunctional party every day. So then why are all the superdelegates voting for Hillary?
Chef Jim Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 you omit the part where Bernie is actually correct. Bernie is the natural evolution of a party that has been more liberal than generally accepted for the last few decades. his ideas are not revolutionary for most liberal dems. they are reasonable. trump's ideas are not only revolutionary to many repub conservatives but are downright frightening to them. Bernie is not scaring the most conservative dem. he's a gadfly and a damn good one. trump is a demagogue and becoming more powerful in his fractured, dysfunctional party every day. He's right about what? That government is being bought by the highest bidder? Both sides are agreeing to that. His solution doesn't help. His highest bidder becomes the government and to me that is scarier.
birdog1960 Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 So then why are all the superdelegates voting for Hillary? it's a rigged game. she works for goldman.
meazza Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 it's a rigged game. she works for goldman. So why would the rigged game have not voted for Hillary in 2008? Is Obama also working for Goldman?
Dante Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 you omit the part where Bernie is actually correct. Bernie is the natural evolution of a party that has been more liberal than generally accepted for the last few decades. his ideas are not revolutionary for most liberal dems. they are reasonable. trump's ideas are not only revolutionary to many repub conservatives but are downright frightening to them. Bernie is not scaring the most conservative dem. he's a gadfly and a damn good one. trump is a demagogue and becoming more powerful in his fractured, dysfunctional party every day. Oh please Bernie is only has any traction because the education system and media has been hijacked by left wing extremists. The product of the education system is basically producing a brainwashed cult . So Bernie is no natural evolution. Bernie is a loser that never held a job until he managed to bs people into a governmet gig.
Chef Jim Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 So why would the rigged game have not voted for Hillary in 2008? Is Obama also working for Goldman? Rigged yes. But not that rigged.
FireChan Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 I would politely ask you to check again. The "Cruz sides with protesters", was a narrative quickly picked up by the media/left and by the Trump campaign Here is what he said, as violence broke out, and Mr Trump's rally was canceled all together. Now, the responsibility for that lies with protesters who took violence into their own hands.” That’s true and it was important to say it. The next thing Cruz said was also exactly right: n any campaign responsibility starts at the top. Any candidate who is responsible for the culture of the campaign. And when you have a campaign that disrespects the voters, when you have a campaign that affirmatively encourages violence, when you have a campaign that is facing allegations of physical violence against members of the press, you create an environment that only encourages this sort of nasty discourse. That is not an indictment of Donald Trump for what lawless protesters did in Chicago. It is an indictment of Trump for encouraging rogue behavior, which inevitably begets more rogue behavior and perversely enables thugs to portray their thuggery as justifiable retaliation. Conservatives are champions of vigorous debate within the bounds of civil discourse. As conservative commentators who have been threatened, shouted down, censored, banned from speaking, and full-time demagogued will tell you, the point is not just to get one’s message across; it is the principle that the message is entitled to be heard even if it is unpopular. That is why we do not stoop to thug tactics or urge that the Left — with its legacy of laundering one-time terrorists into “social justice” activists — deserves an eye-for-an-eye. The law of the jungle is not the rule of law that we advocate. Civil society has to be civil society. Here I thought most of us shared the belief of responsibility for your actions. Those rogues just can't help themselves, their behavior was begeted.
birdog1960 Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 So why would the rigged game have not voted for Hillary in 2008? Is Obama also working for Goldman? he was the more electable of the two. people liked him more. I don't know who he's beholden to but he is beholden. he was more establishment than most liberals ever anticipated. Bernie is beholden to no one. it's a major reason he can't win.
meazza Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 he was the more electable of the two. people liked him more. I don't know who he's beholden to but he is beholden. he was more establishment than most liberals ever anticipated. Bernie is beholden to no one. it's a major reason he can't win. He's been in office since God knows when and he's not beholden to someone? You really believe that?
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 He's right about what? That government is being bought by the highest bidder? Both sides are agreeing to that. His solution doesn't help. His highest bidder becomes the government and to me that is scarier. He's right that the world has changed and the minimum wage should be significantly higher, a high school diploma doesn't go as far as it used to, and we're paying far more than other free countries for the same pharmaceuticals, among other things.
Observer Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 Anyone they fear that may go against the establishment they kill or try. Kennedy, Reagan. Although they did manage to neuter Reagan a bit by saddling him with Bush. Ah, the "they." Who are "they?" So then why are all the superdelegates voting for Hillary? Here's the thing. They haven't voted yet. Don't count those superdelegates until it's time. Sure they pledged but if Hillary gets in more legal hot water and the Bern is still hanging tough, they may waiver.
Chef Jim Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 He's right that the world has changed and the minimum wage should be significantly higher, a high school diploma doesn't go as far as it used to, and we're paying far more than other free countries for the same pharmaceuticals, among other things. Making the minimum wage significantly higher is not going to help those with minimum wage skills all that much. A high school diploma hasn't gone very far in probably the last 40 years or more. Yes college does need to be more affordable. Not fee...more affordable. Providing "free" healthcare will not reduce the price of pharmaceuticals. I think it's a safe bet to assume they'll become even more expensive. I think big pharma is licking it chops at having the government as it's number one customer. See the military-industrial complex.
1billsfan Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 I would politely ask you to check again. The "Cruz sides with protesters", was a narrative quickly picked up by the media/left and by the Trump campaign Here is what he said, as violence broke out, and Mr Trump's rally was canceled all together. Now, the responsibility for that lies with protesters who took violence into their own hands.” That’s true and it was important to say it. The next thing Cruz said was also exactly right: n any campaign responsibility starts at the top. Any candidate who is responsible for the culture of the campaign. And when you have a campaign that disrespects the voters, when you have a campaign that affirmatively encourages violence, when you have a campaign that is facing allegations of physical violence against members of the press, you create an environment that only encourages this sort of nasty discourse. That is not an indictment of Donald Trump for what lawless protesters did in Chicago. It is an indictment of Trump for encouraging rogue behavior, which inevitably begets more rogue behavior and perversely enables thugs to portray their thuggery as justifiable retaliation. Conservatives are champions of vigorous debate within the bounds of civil discourse. As conservative commentators who have been threatened, shouted down, censored, banned from speaking, and full-time demagogued will tell you, the point is not just to get one’s message across; it is the principle that the message is entitled to be heard even if it is unpopular. That is why we do not stoop to thug tactics or urge that the Left — with its legacy of laundering one-time terrorists into “social justice” activists — deserves an eye-for-an-eye. The law of the jungle is not the rule of law that we advocate. Civil society has to be civil society. I’m sorry, but there’s a video of Cruz shaking hands with a guy who just told an audience that gays should be killed. Split hairs all you want on what he was technically stating, but that’s how the video will easily be packaged and sent to the masses. Just like Rubio was done after Christie buried him in that debate, Cruz will never become president because that video exists. The only reason Cruz is still in the game is because the liberal MSM media is allowing him to hang around. They allow him to hang around because they really want Cruz to be the nominee, bring that video out on a MSM loop, eventually have almost every person endorsing him drop their endorsement and have a slam dunk win for Hillary. It amazes me that Cruz had the balls to preach to Trump regarding what a civil campaign should look like with this video in his background.
boyst Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 i wonder if bernie will get any investigations in to charges for inciting this riot??? i wonder how long it will take for the feds to start on trump If we allowed more legal immigration there actually would be more employment that makes no sense.
TH3 Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 Do you actually believe that Trumps campaign encourages violence? What is really discouraging for me that the conservatives are now stretching, spinning and misrepresenting like the left does. Any means to a end. Anything is ethical as long as it gets Trump. For Cruz to blame Trump is validating Move On, Soro's , Black Lives Matter and the rest of the real instigators. Which is kind of ironic since it's Trump being accused of that non sense. "Punch him in the face...I will pay the legal bills"......?
Maury Ballstein Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 "Punch him in the face...I will pay the legal bills"......? you hate white people a lot harder than trump hates anyone.
IDBillzFan Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 Just like Rubio was done after Christie buried him in that debate, Cruz will never become president because that video exists. Good thing there isn't anything like that for Trump. Oh, wait... http://ti.me/1QYtZjQ
reddogblitz Posted March 15, 2016 Posted March 15, 2016 Or when one of the Manson Family cultists tried to take a shot Gerald Ford Let's not forget about McKinley.
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