ddaryl Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 There are dozens of Hogans available in the draft and late FA. we won't miss him.
hondo in seattle Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 There are dozens of Hogans available in the draft and late FA. we won't miss him. Maybe you're right. But Bill Belichick disagrees with you otherwise the Pats wouldn't have offered Hogan $12 million.
The Big Cat Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 Great. So they replaced Brandon LaFell. Whoopy.
dave mcbride Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 There are dozens of Hogans available in the draft and late FA. we won't miss him. The issue isn't the Bills missing his production; the issue is that (in my opinion) he improves the best team in our division. I think he'll do well in NE.
Freddie's Dead Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 The issue isn't the Bills missing his production; the issue is that (in my opinion) he improves the best team in our division. I think he'll do well in NE. Butbutbut....Chandler.
dave mcbride Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 Great. So they replaced Brandon LaFell. Whoopy. Not the best comparison given that they play different WR roles, but in any event Hogan holds more promise than LeFell at this point. LaFell isn't very good,and Hogan is better than Bills fans think he is. I trust Belichick on this one.
jahnyc Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 Who knows what the Bills really think of Hogan, but I would not read too much into the low tender by the Bills since they are up against the cap and were limited in what they could do at that time. Interesting that a lot of the players released or not tendered have found homes quickly in free agency (Bradham, Brooks, Williams, Hogan (yes, I know he was tendered), McKelvin and Charles).
dave mcbride Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 Butbutbut....Chandler. See my post on the previous page.
FireChan Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 You don't feel Hogan isn't worth $2.5M to us, or you feel it's not true that's what the Bills FO and coaches think? And if the latter, if the Bills thought Hogan was worth $2.5M why wouldn't they have put the higher tender on him and gotten a draft pick for compensation if he left? Because they may have thought they could get him for cheaper. Why pay $2.5M if you can get him for less?
Deranged Rhino Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 The issue isn't the Bills missing his production; the issue is that (in my opinion) he improves the best team in our division. I think he'll do well in NE. He'll be fine because Brady is a better QB. But he's not a world beater. Brady can't magically implant field awareness into Chris's brain. I can't wait to see Belichick and Brady explode the first time Hogan comes up 1 yard short on 3rd and medium because he cut his route off too short.
dave mcbride Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 He'll be fine because Brady is a better QB. But he's not a world beater. Brady can't magically implant field awareness into Chris's brain. I can't wait to see Belichick and Brady explode the first time Hogan comes up 1 yard short on 3rd and medium because he cut his route off too short. That stuff is way overblown, in my opinion. Yeah, it happened once or twice, but whatever. That's not what I focus on.
Deranged Rhino Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 That stuff is way overblown, in my opinion. Yeah, it happened once or twice, but whatever. That's not what I focus on. You're underselling it. It was a constant struggle for Hogan. Go watch the film.
Saxum Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 So Hogan's gone. Don't see how the Bills can match that offer sheet. At this point, we have two WR's in Sammy and Bobby and then a bunch of scrubs. We're rapidly devolving into a mess. Glass is still on roster.
The Big Cat Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 Not the best comparison given that they play different WR roles, but in any event Hogan holds more promise than LeFell at this point. LaFell isn't very good,and Hogan is better than Bills fans think he is. I trust Belichick on this one. Who's comparing them? The Pats let Brandon LaFell go and his target volume will likely be assumed by Hogan and/or a combination of Hogan and a healthy Edleman. Either way, the acquisition of Hogan won't have a tremendous impact on their offense. Expect more of the same. They'll be good and Hogan will be good in their system. But they won't be substantially better with LaFell gone and Hogan replacing him.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 Oh, I see you skimmed over the part where he's caught 3 passes in 2 seasons while missing 20 games. Maybe that wasn't on the wikipedia page. He's more committed to going to the Olympics than playing NFL football. And who can blame him? He can't stay healthy. You posted: "Buffalo's current depth behind Sammy and Robert Woods now consists of Hankerson, Easley, Salas, Dez Lewis, Greg Little, Walt Powell, and Jarrett Boykin." The fact is, Goodwin is part of that current depth and you omitted him. Like others on that list, he may not be on the Bills final roster. He may get injured. He may make the Olympics team and the Bills may tell him "pick one". But he's part of the Bills current depth at WR. Why is it so difficult for you to simply acknowledge a fact?
ddaryl Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 (edited) The issue isn't the Bills missing his production; the issue is that (in my opinion) he improves the best team in our division. I think he'll do well in NE. he does no such thing at all. Brady may get more production out of Chris, but Chris will do nothing to make Brady better. Hogan was average and average is what you let go. Now Stephan Charles was a much tougher pill to swallow, but this draft is deep in Stephan Charles type players Edited March 11, 2016 by ddaryl
dave mcbride Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 You're underselling it. It was a constant struggle for Hogan. Go watch the film. "The film" - LOL. I watched all the games on TV, just like you did. It happened a couple of times. Will it continue to be an issue, or were those events outliers? Who knows? Again, I trust the Pats when it comes to this sort of stuff. They're not treating him like he's the second coming of Jerry Rice, after all. They think he'll improve their offense overall, which he probably will. He's an upgrade over the guys they presumably aren't going to keep (LaFell, Dobson). he does no such thing at all. Brady may get more production out of Chris, but Chris will do nothing to make Brady better. Hogan was average and average is what you let go. Now Stephan Charles was a much tougher pill to swallow, but this draft is deep in Stephan Charles type players I think you're wrong about Hogan, but the proof will be in the pudding. It'll be fun to revisit next off-season.
John from Riverside Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 (edited) Again, I trust that the Pats - who are FAR better at cap management than any other team - know what they're doing. The bottom line is that he's a good signing. They have the space this year, and if you notice, his cap #s go DOWN in years 2 and 3 of the contract (in contrast to what usually happens)--$5.5 million of the total $12 million is being absorbed in year one of the deal. Note that they don't have to pay a first round pick this year either. People need to look at the larger context of NE cap management before passing judgment on this deal. Nobody did that when we did it with Clay Once again Anything Patriots do = Genious Bills do essentially the same thing with a higher caliber player = stupid Edited March 11, 2016 by John from Hemet
Andrew Son Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 he does no such thing at all. Brady may get more production out of Chris, but Chris will do nothing to make Brady better. Hogan was average and average is what you let go. Now Stephan Charles was a much tougher pill to swallow, but this draft is deep in Stephan Charles type players Was Charles even active all year?
nucci Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 we're worried about losing Chris Hogan? This team has more serious concerns on defense to be worried about losing a 3rd/4th WR
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