Chandler#81 Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 Does Cornelius Bennett count? He wasn't our draft pick, but he cost us 2 first rounders, a second round pick and Greg Bell (first round pick RB) I say he does. He was the 2nd player taken overall -by the Colts. Never showed up and became our Halloween surprise the same year. But, Conlan was selected later than that in the 1st Rd., so he's technically the most previous LB we drafted from Rd. 1... I think..
MarkyMannn Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 I'd like a LB early. See guys like Von Miller and K Mack, they are a force all over the field in all circumstamces, more valuable than DL or DB's. DB in the first round I'm not in favor of. I'd rather stack the front 7, then most any one can play DB.
Marty McFly Posted March 12, 2016 Posted March 12, 2016 (edited) I know we need LBs, but there doesn't seem to be one worth picking at 19. Paxton Lynch would be more sensible, unless you figure Tyrod is better than I do. Which LB would be better than a potential franchise QB in Lynch? Gotta disagree brah. If we had our 2014 defense with Shwartz at DC with the 2015 offense then we were playoff bound for sure. Rex scheme depends on quality LBs and we are drastically lacking in that dept. Were gonna take a LB and a DE/DT/NT in the 1st 2 rounds. Ill bet on it. Also bet we take 2 LBs in this years draft, which is looking like the most exciting Bills Draft in the most recent years. Our backs are against the walls with all the Defensive holes we need to fill in a strong DE/DT and LB class, its gonna be a good one! AND we have a 1st round pick this year with an extra 4th and 6th picks. And for all his short comings Rex has a good track record of picking CBs up in the draft so we will probably grab some decent DBs in the draft too. Wouldnt be surprised if whaley grabs a QB in the 3rd if someone drops that they like too. Vernon Adams jr anyone? Edited March 12, 2016 by Marty McFly
NastyNateSoldiers Posted March 12, 2016 Posted March 12, 2016 I agree 100% the lack of free agent movement at one Bills drive puts a heavy emphasis on this coming draft. Dw and staff should be ready. I'm looking for Defense heavy draft in a great yr to get starters in front 7. Hopefully we get 3 starters immediately and possibly 5 in the long run. Including undrafted free agents to add to depth. 1- R Knemdiche 5tech 2- A Billings NT 3- S Shepard Wr 4- S Oakman 3/4 OLB 4- Auguyo K
Marty McFly Posted March 12, 2016 Posted March 12, 2016 I agree 100% the lack of free agent movement at one Bills drive puts a heavy emphasis on this coming draft. Dw and staff should be ready. I'm looking for Defense heavy draft in a great yr to get starters in front 7. Hopefully we get 3 starters immediately and possibly 5 in the long run. Including undrafted free agents to add to depth. 1- R Knemdiche 5tech 2- A Billings NT 3- S Shepard Wr 4- S Oakman 3/4 OLB 4- Auguyo K we got 3 starters last draft without a 1st round pick. now we have a 1st and an extra 4th and 6th, its gonna be an exciting defense heavy draft that will directly impact our team next season for better or worse. Considering Rexs scheme is so complicated, am I the only one bothered by the fact we have to rely on so many rookies to study the scheme and transition to the NFL game speed at the same time?
3rdand12 Posted March 13, 2016 Posted March 13, 2016 no reason not to go BPA first round. Plenty of needs. I am sure Bills will be bringing in front seven players, and probably 3 of them. Lets hope Bills get starters and impact players. Such a great time to accept a trade down offer. Pull up the freaking team bus and fill it up !
Rockinon Posted March 13, 2016 Posted March 13, 2016 If there is a big talented WR worth the pick I'd rather they go that route. A big, go get the ball receiver across Sammy would help Tyrod immensely, IMO. Bills picked up 3 6'2" receivers at the end of the year last year. Don't see that happening. They currently have 9 receivers on the roster.
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 13, 2016 Posted March 13, 2016 Love Josh Perry in the 2nd. He's versatile, fast, very smart, 3 down guy, outstanding size. How would you compare him with Darron Lee? I'm curious what someone who knows these, because I've mostly only heard about these guys.
machine gun kelly Posted March 13, 2016 Posted March 13, 2016 I'm in agreement we can sign TT, Glenn, amd Gillmore next year if TT proves it. We'll anywhere from $46-56 mil to spend, so I don't want another CB. From what I'm reading this draft doesn't have a lot of OLB made for th e 3-4 like a Dumervil or Von Miller. It will be interesting to see who they take as we need a 3-4 DE, but they usually don't go in the first. If we use Hughes as one OLB, and Lawson and Brown as the two ILB, we rally are only in need of that one OLB. Now we have 8 picks and Whaley has hit on a 7th with Henderson (prior to his illness), our 2nd, 3rd, and 5th ( Darby, Miller, and Karlos Williams). All excellent picks. This and other hits has me worried the least on Whaley's ability to pick up at least 4 starters out of these 8 picks, most likely 3 of them on defense.
K-9 Posted March 13, 2016 Posted March 13, 2016 Nope. Someone nailed it above -- Shane Conlan, 29 years ago. Since then, first round picks by group: 9 DB 4 RB 4 DL 4 OL 3 WR 2 QB Is Bill in NYC aware that we have drafted twice as many DBs in the first round vs. any other position? GO BILLS!!!
BackInDaDay Posted March 13, 2016 Posted March 13, 2016 i think the HC wants to improve his defensive front talent. from what i saw last season, his '3-4' looks were predominantly the same 4-3 under/over fronts he used with the Jets. It's an excellent 1 gap D that's very adaptable to moving safeties in and out of - to create an 8 man rush defense, or to overload blitz. anyway.. i'm guessing that young Barnes will be given a long look to earn the starting NT job - allowing them to keep Dareus as the 3-tech that floats from closed to open sides. but i think we'll add depth there in the draft. same thing with bolstering the closed side DE spot.. i like Wynn, and he may be fine as Mario's replacement - but they may decide to use a high round pick on a special kid to man that - or they may just add mid-round depth. i think the biggest bang for their buck will be using the first round pick to find a WLB talent who can burst into his assigned gaps, and chase with the best of them. to me, that's the key to these fronts given the current roster. either that, or a special player at the safety spot who can support our CBs and be a big hitter as that 8th man in the box. on a kinda related topic.. i have no idea where Kyle Williams fits. last season there were gameplans where he was brought in as the closed side DE in some 4-3 over fronts - which stacked him over the strong side TE - where he had no chance of generating an outside pass rush from. he was most effective as the 3-tech, but moving Dareus inside to NT was more like subtraction by addition. i have no idea what his future is in 2016.
John from Riverside Posted March 13, 2016 Posted March 13, 2016 If there is a big talented WR worth the pick I'd rather they go that route. A big, go get the ball receiver across Sammy would help Tyrod immensely, IMO. no
BackInDaDay Posted March 13, 2016 Posted March 13, 2016 From what I'm reading this draft doesn't have a lot of OLB made for th e 3-4 like a Dumervil or Von Miller. It will be interesting to see who they take as we need a 3-4 DE, but they usually don't go in the first. If we use Hughes as one OLB, and Lawson and Brown as the two ILB, we rally are only in need of that one OLB. in the '4-3' fronts Rex uses - Hughes is our open-side DE - which is equivalent to a '3-4' OLB with his hand on the ground. Preston's our Mike and Bradham was our Will. Lawson played the Sam in the under front - outside Mario on the strong, or 'closed' side. and i saw them bring him to the weak, or 'open' side- to play inside Hughes in the over front. that said, i agree that we only need one LB, and depending on the talent level of Bradham's replacement - current depth moving up, rookie, or FA - the D will be impacted accordingly.
John from Riverside Posted March 13, 2016 Posted March 13, 2016 Probably not. But another burner WR on the roster would be a big help. Goodwin could provide that if he actually gave a **** about football. A number two WR is a big need. Scott that is only if you have lost faith in Robert Woods I havent
8-8 Forever? Posted March 13, 2016 Posted March 13, 2016 you don't draft for need with #1 pick. you draft best available. remember Darby. a great example of this. 100% of people said it was a mistake bc we didn't "need" cornerbacks. nearsighted and dumb they were proven to be . let Whaley do his f ing job. we buy tickets, Whaley runs the draft and is very good at it. Is Bill in NYC aware that we have drafted twice as many DBs in the first round vs. any other position? GO BILLS!!! without big time DBs you are dead in today's NFL. they are not the shiny objects fans want, but try to win 8+ games without them. you better have Aaron Rodgers , cause it aint' happening otherwise
K-9 Posted March 13, 2016 Posted March 13, 2016 ...without big time DBs you are dead in today's NFL. they are not the shiny objects fans want, but try to win 8+ games without them. you better have Aaron Rodgers , cause it aint' happening otherwise You'd be better off convincing Bill and others of that. GO BILLS!!!
John from Riverside Posted March 13, 2016 Posted March 13, 2016 you don't draft for need with #1 pick. you draft best available. remember Darby. a great example of this. 100% of people said it was a mistake bc we didn't "need" cornerbacks. nearsighted and dumb they were proven to be . let Whaley do his f ing job. we buy tickets, Whaley runs the draft and is very good at it. without big time DBs you are dead in today's NFL. they are not the shiny objects fans want, but try to win 8+ games without them. you better have Aaron Rodgers , cause it aint' happening otherwise Its kinda funny how the flavor of the offseason has been bashing RR.....but he seems to really understand this point of DBs The problem is a lot of his DBs have not worked out
3rdand12 Posted March 13, 2016 Posted March 13, 2016 in the '4-3' fronts Rex uses - Hughes is our open-side DE - which is equivalent to a '3-4' OLB with his hand on the ground. Preston's our Mike and Bradham was our Will. Lawson played the Sam in the under front - outside Mario on the strong, or 'closed' side. and i saw them bring him to the weak, or 'open' side- to play inside Hughes in the over front. that said, i agree that we only need one LB, and depending on the talent level of Bradham's replacement - current depth moving up, rookie, or FA - the D will be impacted accordingly. You are planning on leaving Lawson inside the tackles? I might suggest Bills need two LBs still. another pass rusher and one who can run with a TE from the will postion
BackInDaDay Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) it's not what I plan.. it's what I observed, and schematically, it's the alignment of the SAM when the DT shifts closed side in an over front. edit - in fairness to your observation regarding Lawson assigned to an inside gap - it may have been a choice made in context of who the coaches thought was a better compliment to Hughes when a particular formation was expected, and Lawson's length was an advantage over Bradham's.. i don't recall the particulars, but you got me thinking - yeah - seeing Lawson inside Hughes was odd enough that i remembered it. but it seems to me, if the Bills had anything you consider as a 'base' D - it was the 4-3 under, with Lawson in the more recognizable SAM spot on the closed side. so getting back to the OP's original point - i'm not sure how much of a drop off we have with Bradham leaving. it obviously wasn't such a big deal to the coaches, so i'm guessing they think they may actually be able to improve that position via draft or FA. i think Lawson and Hughes are a good fit. i'm not sure if Brown can handle the calls, but that's nothing that can be solved via the draft... so he'll probably be the Mike until someone makes their case to take his job. so we're back to the Will - and if there's an outstanding playmaker out there - who warrants a 1st rounder, that could really help solidify things. lots of ways to go with that pick though - anyone arguing BPA wouldn't be wrong, either. edit2- here's as good an explanation i could find for bringing the SAM to the weak side on an 'over' front call.. "Many 4-3 over tackle gurus, Lovie Smith for example, started trading “Sam” and “Will”. Lining “Sam” up opposite the tight end and “Will” with the tight end. This is because one of the areas offense exploit in both the “over” and “under” defenses is iso and zoning to the quick side. The alignment and spacing makes it tough to defend those schemes. By switching the linebackers you get more favorable match ups." that came from a Michigan site.. and Lovie probably borrowed that concept from Kiffin - as Kiffin was of the same mind. Edited March 14, 2016 by BackInDaDay
John from Riverside Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 Lost faith in him in what regards? He can be a solid possession receiver. He's not a number 2, IMO and he doesn't have much speed and how many times has he fallen down running a route? As I said, they need another burner considering Goodwin is non existent. Played with a groin injury practically the whole season........ we have literally like 9 receivers on this team....some of them with NFL experience at the end of the year.
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