John from Riverside Posted March 14, 2016 Posted March 14, 2016 Doesn't mean they are any good. Outside of Watkins, who do we have? Woods is a decent number 3 receiver I think. He lacks top flight speed as a deep threat. This team could use another legitimate burner/decent receiver opposite Watkins. Goodwin can be, but he is focused on the Olympic Games, not football. If finding a WR with deep speed is truly the answer to the equation......shouldnt be that hard to do. Robert Woods did just fine as a number 2 prior to last year.....you gotta understand that 2nd WR is not gonna get a ton of stats in this offense. They might actually love Robert Woods because he is a very capable blocker....and he runs excellent routes.
26CornerBlitz Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 2016 NFL Draft: Team needs exceed linebacker inventory
3rdand12 Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 it's not what I plan.. it's what I observed, and schematically, it's the alignment of the SAM when the DT shifts closed side in an over front. edit - in fairness to your observation regarding Lawson assigned to an inside gap - it may have been a choice made in context of who the coaches thought was a better compliment to Hughes when a particular formation was expected, and Lawson's length was an advantage over Bradham's.. i don't recall the particulars, but you got me thinking - yeah - seeing Lawson inside Hughes was odd enough that i remembered it. but it seems to me, if the Bills had anything you consider as a 'base' D - it was the 4-3 under, with Lawson in the more recognizable SAM spot on the closed side. so getting back to the OP's original point - i'm not sure how much of a drop off we have with Bradham leaving. it obviously wasn't such a big deal to the coaches, so i'm guessing they think they may actually be able to improve that position via draft or FA. i think Lawson and Hughes are a good fit. i'm not sure if Brown can handle the calls, but that's nothing that can be solved via the draft... so he'll probably be the Mike until someone makes their case to take his job. so we're back to the Will - and if there's an outstanding playmaker out there - who warrants a 1st rounder, that could really help solidify things. lots of ways to go with that pick though - anyone arguing BPA wouldn't be wrong, either. edit2- here's as good an explanation i could find for bringing the SAM to the weak side on an 'over' front call.. "Many 4-3 over tackle gurus, Lovie Smith for example, started trading “Sam” and “Will”. Lining “Sam” up opposite the tight end and “Will” with the tight end. This is because one of the areas offense exploit in both the “over” and “under” defenses is iso and zoning to the quick side. The alignment and spacing makes it tough to defend those schemes. By switching the linebackers you get more favorable match ups." that came from a Michigan site.. and Lovie probably borrowed that concept from Kiffin - as Kiffin was of the same mind. BITD i do enjoy your posts. Moving Manny back to play call was out of necessity more than ideal fitment. as you mentioned his length. Smart fellow, is why i think he was set back to shout the calls. I think i realize there is so much much more to alignments than i fully understand, so can only generalize. Be quite interesting to see what Rex does next year with his Lbs and Hughes. especially Brown. Was hoping they might Fa vet like Dansby or someone just for the defensive QB and let Manny move back on top of Hughes
Manther Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 That would be a refreshing change. Despite it being a frequent need, the Bills draft LBs in the first round even less often than QBs. Trivia time: Name the last LB taken by the Bills in the first round. Sam Cowart One word...."Tweener" Tweener and only one good College season. Recipe for disaster.
John from Riverside Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 2016 NFL Draft: Team needs exceed linebacker inventory Based on this Vernon Butler in the 1st (maybe in a trade down)? Kendrel Brothers in the 2nd? it's not what I plan.. it's what I observed, and schematically, it's the alignment of the SAM when the DT shifts closed side in an over front. edit - in fairness to your observation regarding Lawson assigned to an inside gap - it may have been a choice made in context of who the coaches thought was a better compliment to Hughes when a particular formation was expected, and Lawson's length was an advantage over Bradham's.. i don't recall the particulars, but you got me thinking - yeah - seeing Lawson inside Hughes was odd enough that i remembered it. but it seems to me, if the Bills had anything you consider as a 'base' D - it was the 4-3 under, with Lawson in the more recognizable SAM spot on the closed side. so getting back to the OP's original point - i'm not sure how much of a drop off we have with Bradham leaving. it obviously wasn't such a big deal to the coaches, so i'm guessing they think they may actually be able to improve that position via draft or FA. i think Lawson and Hughes are a good fit. i'm not sure if Brown can handle the calls, but that's nothing that can be solved via the draft... so he'll probably be the Mike until someone makes their case to take his job. so we're back to the Will - and if there's an outstanding playmaker out there - who warrants a 1st rounder, that could really help solidify things. lots of ways to go with that pick though - anyone arguing BPA wouldn't be wrong, either. edit2- here's as good an explanation i could find for bringing the SAM to the weak side on an 'over' front call.. "Many 4-3 over tackle gurus, Lovie Smith for example, started trading “Sam” and “Will”. Lining “Sam” up opposite the tight end and “Will” with the tight end. This is because one of the areas offense exploit in both the “over” and “under” defenses is iso and zoning to the quick side. The alignment and spacing makes it tough to defend those schemes. By switching the linebackers you get more favorable match ups." that came from a Michigan site.. and Lovie probably borrowed that concept from Kiffin - as Kiffin was of the same mind. I just wanna say that in a time when "rex sux" dominates the boards your posts are very very refreshing.
26CornerBlitz Posted March 24, 2016 Posted March 24, 2016 @RyanTalbotBills ICYMI: Buffalo's need for a LB is one of PFF's 10 glaring roster holes remaining in the NFL http://www.scout.com/nfl/bills/story/1654585-pff-lb-is-bills-glaring-roster-hole
boyst Posted March 24, 2016 Posted March 24, 2016 is ragland a safe choice? every mock i see he's available, every mock i try he's available, every mock i see with us taking an lb has him.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 24, 2016 Posted March 24, 2016 Maybin was a DE. He wasn't an OLB?
John from Riverside Posted March 24, 2016 Posted March 24, 2016 I think Sam Cowart was the first pick in his draft class but came in round 2. Does that count? Also, Bills will go NT in round 1 IMO. I do not believe that the bills will go NT in round 1 - They are not on the field 100 percent of the time due to multiple fronts - You can find them later then round 1 - We dont have enough quality pass rushers I am thinking a guy like Darron Lee or Noah Spence is gonna be that 1st round pick
purple haze Posted March 24, 2016 Posted March 24, 2016 Corner. No doubt. Because unless TT stinks it up, they will have to pay him. and if they pay him, they cannot afford Gilmore. pretty simple. Reports have been they will have about 50 million under the cap next off-season. They can re-sign who they want to. I think Sam Cowart was the first pick in his draft class but came in round 2. Does that count? Also, Bills will go NT in round 1 IMO. Draft is deep for DT. They can get a starting caliber DT after round one. LB might be harder to find. If there is a LB they like at 19 they should grab him.
Tipster19 Posted March 24, 2016 Author Posted March 24, 2016 I'd like to see him put on a little more weight but I'm impressed with some of the intangibles that Georgia's LB Leonard Floyd brings to the table.
Marty McFly Posted March 24, 2016 Posted March 24, 2016 Darron Lee or Reggie Ragland perhaps. I honestly want those 2 for our 1st round picks. Either or will suffice.in the grand scheme of things, 3 years from now who will be the super star and who will be the regular star or bust? Hope we end up drafting the superstar. GO Bills! and titties! and Piss in ya Grill!
Niagara Dude Posted March 24, 2016 Posted March 24, 2016 Looking over the roster the LB position is our most glaring need. Although DE is also a need, especially after this free agency, this year's draft is suppose to be deep at this position. I'm not suggesting on who we should draft because I don't know enough about the college prospects so I would like to see others who know more about this to weigh in on who would be the best prospects at the #19 pick. One last thing. I noticed that Dwight Freeney is looking to play 1 more season before he calls it quits. I would think that he may have to wait a bit before some teams make a serious run at him. I couldn't imagine him demanding big dollars at this stage of his career. Any thoughts on him being a valid option for us this year? With us needing a speed rusher and Freeney being a situational edge rusher I would think that he could be an ideal fit for us, especially that he's a Syracuse graduate and Jerry Hughes being a former teammate, this could be a very fluid transition for all involved. Go Bills! This has been one of the worst offseasons in years, still not getting how you get better with holes at both LB & DE. This falls on Whaley and how we are cap hell.
YoloinOhio Posted March 24, 2016 Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) How would you compare him with Darron Lee? I'm curious what someone who knows these, because I've mostly only heard about these guys.they are a lot different. Lee is smaller, faster, more raw. He has more "upside" due to his speed and that he's an unfinished product. He's an ultra-competive, trash talking, baller. Biggest plays come in biggest games. Always shows up, always brings it. I think he has a ton of potential in the NFL, especially in versatility and coverage for a LB I also think he can be frustrating with his tackling and penalties. Shazier had similar issues. Can be fixed but rookie year could be tough. He's also super young - doesn't turn 21 until October. No real issues but his maturity is a work in progress. Perry is huge and IMO NFL ready. Hes not quite as smooth and not as brash. He's more of your prototypical leader. True senior. He has long legs and a big frame which I think makes his motion look more awkward than a guy like Lee. Very intelligent, mature football player. Also versatile as he can over and rush the QB. I can honestly see either one on this D for different reasons. Lee is a 1st rounder because it's hard to find that kind of speed and I think he can still get bigger. Shazier was similar size in college and really got big once he got in the league. Perry is more of a plug and play LB - more solid than exciting but hard to overlook his positive attributes. IMO Edited March 24, 2016 by YoloinOhio
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 24, 2016 Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) they are a lot different. Lee is smaller, faster, more raw. He has more "upside" due to his speed and that he's an unfinished product. He's an ultra-competive, trash talking, baller. Biggest plays come in biggest games. Always shows up, always brings it. I think he has a ton of potential in the NFL, especially in versatility and coverage for a LB I also think he can be frustrating with his tackling and penalties. Shazier had similar issues. Can be fixed but rookie year could be tough. He's also super young - doesn't turn 21 until October. No real issues but his maturity is a work in progress. Perry is huge and IMO NFL ready. Hes not quite as smooth and not as brash. He's more of your prototypical leader. True senior. He has long legs and a big frame which I think makes his motion look more awkward than a guy like Lee. Very intelligent, mature football player. Also versatile as he can over and rush the QB. I can honestly see either one on this D for different reasons. Lee is a 1st rounder because it's hard to find that kind of speed and I think he can still get bigger. Shazier was similar size in college and really got big once he got in the league. Perry is more of a plug and play LB - more solid than exciting but hard to overlook his positive attributes. IMO Thanks! I appreciate your opinion. It sounds to me like Lee could be our D. Buchanon, M.Barron etc. type WIL. I'm starting to warm to this idea should he make it to us in the draft. It will be an interesting decision come draft day as to what the Bills do with all the other options/needs presented by Whaley etc. Edited March 24, 2016 by The Thurmanator
YoloinOhio Posted March 24, 2016 Posted March 24, 2016 Thanks! I appreciate your opinion. It sounds to me like Lee could be our D. Buchanon, M.Barron etc. type WIL. I'm starting to warm to this idea should he make it to us in the draft. It will be an interesting decision come draft day as to what the Bills do with all the other options/needs presented by Whaley etc.i would be excited to see what he would do in this defense - he's a great blitzer and it sounds like Rob Ryan is going to be coaching the LBs. Would be interesting!
offsides#76FredSmerlas Posted March 24, 2016 Posted March 24, 2016 We will choose the best player on the board. The Bills have stood by this and still many fans say the Bills should go this position or that position. It all depends on how the draft falls. The Bills have an idea how that may happen but even they don't know the direction they are going in until draft day. If 2 guys have a similar score then and only then will they choose the need position. I want the best player and if it's a defensive LB or lineman great but you can't justify a lower graded player if you can grab a stud at a different position. We still can pick up guys in the later rounds, bring in guys who get cut by other teams in pre season and groom what we have on the roster already. I trust Whaley, he does a nice job on draft day, something that haunted us for years before he took over.
Dragonborn10 Posted March 24, 2016 Posted March 24, 2016 I agree with LB now. I thought they would let Glenn walk and it would be an OT. I like the franchise tag for Glenn.
3rdand12 Posted March 24, 2016 Posted March 24, 2016 We will choose the best player on the board. The Bills have stood by this and still many fans say the Bills should go this position or that position. It all depends on how the draft falls. The Bills have an idea how that may happen but even they don't know the direction they are going in until draft day. If 2 guys have a similar score then and only then will they choose the need position. I want the best player and if it's a defensive LB or lineman great but you can't justify a lower graded player if you can grab a stud at a different position. We still can pick up guys in the later rounds, bring in guys who get cut by other teams in pre season and groom what we have on the roster already. I trust Whaley, he does a nice job on draft day, something that haunted us for years before he took over. you mean like Sammy ? no snark intended offsides : ) i would be excited to see what he would do in this defense - he's a great blitzer and it sounds like Rob Ryan is going to be coaching the LBs. Would be interesting! can we have them both and just be done with it already? Lee and Perry both. a good GM would do that
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