Jerry Jabber Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 Mario would have people think that he was playing cornerback last year. The tape does not lie Mario. P.S. It is also fascinating that Jim Schwartz did not appear to make any effort to have the Eagles sign Mario. One could say that, by not making any effort, Schwartz pulled a Mario. +1
FireChan Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 Speaking of "horses to beat," let's count the number of posts that you have written about Rex . . . . The difference is its not same ground retread over and over in an unsuccessful attempt to be funny.
Jauronimo Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 I really think this is a poor metaphor. In your job does your company compete for "championships" that result in accolades for the entire organization and represent a rare level of achievement? Do competitors of yours walk around showing you their "rings" from making the most sales for the year (or whatever you do)? Professional sports are different. No, they aren't. There are differences between any profession, but at its core professional sports are a business. You're biased. You think athletes should be focused on team achievement and legacy. Maybe you think Hollywood stars should only be focused on making films which shape society and bring home Oscars. At the end of the day, some may be concerned with legacy, but most are making a living. I bet you get that concept when applied to the second stringers. If a Garrison Sanborn signs with the Jags for a million more a year than we're offering, we don't question why he didn't take a pay cut to team up with Ryan Allen and the Pats to bring home a ring. Stars players are people too. You can hold them to a higher standard than yourself and tell them about what should matter to them and where their priorities should be but it won't change the reality of the business. If it was only about the hardware and the glory we wouldn't have to pay these guys to bust their heads on Sundays.
eball Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 No, they aren't. There are differences between any profession, but at its core professional sports are a business. You're biased. You think athletes should be focused on team achievement and legacy. Maybe you think Hollywood stars should only be focused on making films which shape society and bring home Oscars. At the end of the day, some may be concerned with legacy, but most are making a living. I bet you get that concept when applied to the second stringers. If a Garrison Sanborn signs with the Jags for a million more a year than we're offering, we don't question why he didn't take a pay cut to team up with Ryan Allen and the Pats to bring home a ring. Stars players are people too. You can hold them to a higher standard than yourself and tell them about what should matter to them and where their priorities should be but it won't change the reality of the business. If it was only about the hardware and the glory we wouldn't have to pay these guys to bust their heads on Sundays. You're making it out to be all or nothing. It can be one way for the stars, and another for the "just happy to be here" guys. I'm always in support of professional athletes making as much money as they can due to their limited shelf life. Mario doesn't fit that category. He's made enough money -- there is absolutely no disputing that. We'll just have to agree to disagree.
Jauronimo Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 You're making it out to be all or nothing. It can be one way for the stars, and another for the "just happy to be here" guys. I'm always in support of professional athletes making as much money as they can due to their limited shelf life. Mario doesn't fit that category. He's made enough money -- there is absolutely no disputing that. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm not. You are telling me what Mario should care about. What should motivate him and other players. Furthermore, you're opining on how much money a person can make before their priorities should shift. I make no such representations. I am not judging men for taking a paycheck.
eball Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 I'm not. You are telling me what Mario should care about. What should motivate him and other players. Furthermore, you're opining on how much money a person can make before their priorities should shift. I make no such representations. I am not judging men for taking a paycheck. I'm not saying what Mario should care about; I'm saying it's clear what he does care about, and that makes him very different from many superstars who have already lined their pockets with millions and millions of dollars and find value in playing for something more. There is no reasonable argument a person can make that Mario Williams still "needs" to make as much money as he can in the NFL. And of course we can judge men by their actions.
3rdand12 Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 I still wonder why Mario turned it off. This boggles my mind. I don't like my job very much. I had to switch positions due to downsizing and landed out side my skillset and comfort zone. But i still did the best i could everyday. If i wanted to just B word or was truly unhappy i could leave. But until i did find another job i would still work hard, be on time and maintain pride in my work. something really pissed this guy off. And i am quite sure it is not so simple as dropping into coverage. I am very sure of that. Nor is it theoretical scheme. Somebody important got in his face, because Mario put in alot of effort to NOT try.
Peter Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 (edited) The difference is its not same ground retread over and over in an unsuccessful attempt to be funny. Humor is in the eye of the beholder. You have something in common with my wife and kids who (much of the time) do not "appreciate" my humor. I love them so your not appreciating my "humor" does not disqualify you in any regard. As for your Rex material . . . it got old a long, long time ago. P.S. Anyone who goes by "FireChan" cannot be particularly adverse to beating a dead horse given that Chan was the HC a couple of coaches ago. Edited March 9, 2016 by Peter
Jauronimo Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 I'm not saying what Mario should care about; I'm saying it's clear what he does care about, and that makes him very different from many superstars who have already lined their pockets with millions and millions of dollars and find value in playing for something more. There is no reasonable argument a person can make that Mario Williams still "needs" to make as much money as he can in the NFL. And of course we can judge men by their actions. There's a very clear value judgment that you're making. Deny it if you wish (and admit it 3 sentences later), but its evident. You believe that Mario should care more about jewelry than cash. Else there would be nothing to judge. I don't tell the McD's worker that he should be concerned with elevating fried potatoes, nor do I criticize lawyers for going into corporate law rather than working for the Innocence Project, or beat myself up for not striving for transformative change in the financial services industry (whatever that would look like). I also don't bash athletes for looking out for themselves. Consistency is a beautiful thing.
Peter Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 The Dolphins ended up losing Vernon. This is good for us. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/09/giants-add-olivier-vernon-to-free-agent-haul/
Big C Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 The Dolphins ended up losing Vernon. This is good for us. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/09/giants-add-olivier-vernon-to-free-agent-haul/ Big money for him. Good for us.
K-9 Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 The Dolphins ended up losing Vernon. This is good for us. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/03/09/giants-add-olivier-vernon-to-free-agent-haul/ Dolphins will regret this. If not this year, then soon after. And if MW doesn't return to form, well... GO BILLS!!!
Mango Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 No, they aren't. There are differences between any profession, but at its core professional sports are a business. You're biased. You think athletes should be focused on team achievement and legacy. Maybe you think Hollywood stars should only be focused on making films which shape society and bring home Oscars. At the end of the day, some may be concerned with legacy, but most are making a living. I bet you get that concept when applied to the second stringers. If a Garrison Sanborn signs with the Jags for a million more a year than we're offering, we don't question why he didn't take a pay cut to team up with Ryan Allen and the Pats to bring home a ring. Stars players are people too. You can hold them to a higher standard than yourself and tell them about what should matter to them and where their priorities should be but it won't change the reality of the business. If it was only about the hardware and the glory we wouldn't have to pay these guys to bust their heads on Sundays. There are more intangibles in sports than their is in business. But you do see this all the time in business, see Google. My sister also takes a pay cut to work for the DCCC, I do CDC (community dev) because it makes me feel good. These are intangibles, that intrinsically do in fact have a dollar amount correlated to them. Career advancement in sport is the same as going to the super bowl, it is indeed career advancement, goals, and aspirations. Actors are a terrible example. They take pay cuts all the time to work on Woody Allen, Martin Scorcese, and Tarantino movies, and sometimes just a really great script. My GF works for a local company where she makes less money than she could elsewhere, but her work life balance is better, she gets free lunch, and brings her dog to work. The
Jauronimo Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 There are more intangibles in sports than their is in business. But you do see this all the time in business, see Google. My sister also takes a pay cut to work for the DCCC, I do CDC (community dev) because it makes me feel good. These are intangibles, that intrinsically do in fact have a dollar amount correlated to them. Career advancement in sport is the same as going to the super bowl, it is indeed career advancement, goals, and aspirations. Actors are a terrible example. They take pay cuts all the time to work on Woody Allen, Martin Scorcese, and Tarantino movies, and sometimes just a really great script. My GF works for a local company where she makes less money than she could elsewhere, but her work life balance is better, she gets free lunch, and brings her dog to work. The Neat. Irrelevant and rambling, but nice anecdotes. Not sure why you think the above is news to me. Equally unsure as to what this has to do with my point regarding passing judgment on a man's motivations and career aspirations.
Saxum Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 http://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/index.ssf/2016/03/ex-buffalo_bills_de_mario_williams_says_his_effort_will_be_back_to_normal_with_m.html "I think the biggest thing when talking to the Dolphins, it kind of gives me goosebumps, because it gives me excitement and a level of energy that I haven't had before," Williams said. This means one of two things Mario found a dealer in North Cuba He is admitting that he did not make a full effort while collecting a full paycheck last year.
eball Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 After reading Mario's quotes I have come to one, unmistakable conclusion -- he's a douche. Good riddance.
Gotta Dream Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 After reading Mario's quotes I have come to one, unmistakable conclusion -- he's a douche. Good riddance. He duped us all. He came in here giving us so much hope, and the year that we really needed him, the year we should have made the playoffs, he Lied. Stole the money and did not give effort. That is so infuriating! Can't stand people who get paid and just lolly gag through their work. I hope he doesn't make it to the HOF because players that take a year off don't deserve it!
GG Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 Neat. Irrelevant and rambling, but nice anecdotes. Not sure why you think the above is news to me. Equally unsure as to what this has to do with my point regarding passing judgment on a man's motivations and career aspirations. I think that over his career, his motivation and career aspirations are abundantly clear. It's also clear that he's not the kind of guy you want in a locker room or on the field in the ultimate team game.
Bills Fan in MD Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 I think that over his career, his motivation and career aspirations are abundantly clear. It's also clear that he's not the kind of guy you want in a locker room or on the field in the ultimate team game. I really wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but it's become pretty clear for the last few months that this move may very well be a case of addition by subtraction.
YoloinOhio Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 Posted this in one of the Dolphins threads but this is one of their beat reporters - sounds like they are well aware of his poor attitude and lack of leadership http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/armando-salguero/article65091092.html
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