Mickey Posted February 18, 2005 Posted February 18, 2005 Now that JP is the man, lets take an in depth look at his college stats. He replaced the graduated Pat Ramsey in 2002 as the starter at Tulane. Here is the Reader’s Digest version of the life and times of one JP Losman: His 2002 season: He opens against Division I-AA Southern and pulls off a 37-19 win. He was 13 of 23 for 183 yards and ran 5 times for 37 yards including a 4 yard TD run. He had two TD passes of 18 and 44 yards. Midway through the second quarter, he was playing so bad they pulled him for a couple series to calm him down. I couldn’t find a play by play on this one or stats on sacks or fumbles. In his second start he gets a win against Houston, 34-13. He goes 14 of 25 for 208 with 1 int., 2 fumbles and 2 TD (37 and 28 yards). He was sacked 3 times. Of his 3 turnovers, Houston got a FG once and fumbled it back inside the Tulane 10 twice so JP got away with some goofs that time. He rushes 5 times for -14 yards. The following week against East Carolina, JP loses his first game 24-20 on the road in the rain. He goes 31-47 and 236 yards but throws a pick that led to a FG. No TD passes. He was sacked twice for -28. One of those came on 2nd and goal from the 6, a loss of 9 yards that forced Tulane to kick a FG instead of getting the TD. He rushes 7 times for minus 12. JP loses another one, this time to Memphis in a blow out, 38-10. He goes 21-31 for 188 and a pick with 1 TD pass late in the fourth after it was pretty much over. He was sacked 5 times for 39 backward yards. However, he does have one 22 yard run. His pick was in the first quarter and was returned 48 yards leading to a TD that put them behind 14-zip. He had a number of fumbles but at least two were recovered by his own guys. He was replaced in the 3rd quarter for two series before being put back in. Tulane and JP are next blown out 49-0 by Texas, then ranked 3rd in the nation. He was sacked 4 times for -41 yards and was 13-29 for only 127. He gained 40 yards on some runs to offset the 41 lost on the sacks. He threw two picks and overthrew an open receiver in the endzone. He also had a TD pass dropped. Yeech. JP has a field day against powerhouse Louisiana-Monroe and gets a win, 52-9. He goes 21-35 and 300 yards with 4 tds and only one pick and one sack. He fumbles once but his own guys get it. He runs only a few times for not much. JP gets another win, this time against Cincinnati, 35-17. He finishes 14-23 for 163 including 2 TDs and he runs for one as well. He is sacked 4 times and fumbles once. Five runs for 24 yards not including the negative yardage from the 4 sacks. JP gets another win as Tulane beats Alabama-Birmingham, then 3-4, by the score of 35-14. He goes 15-25 but for only 108 yards. He did throw for 2 TDs and ran for one, a 7 yard scamper on 4th and 1. He was sacked only once and had 5 runs for 24 yards. Tulane beats up on Navy (1-7) by the score of 51-30. JP has a great day going 25-35 for 329 yards and 5 TD passes against just one interception. No stats available to check on sacks. Tulane and JP get embarrassed by 1-9 Army, 14-10, at home no less. JP is sacked 5 times and goes 24-40 for only 172 yards with 2 interceptions including one at the Army 23 with 40 seconds left as Tulane was trying to finish off a potential game winning drive. He earlier threw one at the goal line on a 2nd and 10 play from the Army 24. No TD passes but he did run for one. Tulane finishes the season with a 31-10 win against 6-5 Southern Miss. JP goes 11-19 and 165 yards including a 64 yard TD pass on a 3rd and 12 play. He ran 5 times for 28 yards and was sacked only once for a 4 yard loss. No picks and no fumbles. Tulane beats Hawaii in the Hawaii bowl, 36-28. JP was 20-39 for 240 yards. He ran 12 times for 21 yards including two short TD runs. For the season, JP goes 205-327, 16 TD passes, 8 picks and approx 24 sacks. His 2003 season: Tulane opens with a loss to TCU 38-35. JP throws a pick just inside TCU territory in the middle of the 4th Q. with Tulane down 31-28. The pick leads to a TCU touchdown making it 38-28 with only 5 or 6 minutes left. Tulane scores but the ensuing onside kick is recovered by TCU. JP goes 25-42 for 303 and 2 TDs but throws 2 picks, is sacked 3 times and fumbled once but it was recovered by Tulane. He lost 27 yards on the sacks but gained 51 yards on 4 carries, netting him 24 yards on the ground. Tulane gets their first win of the season against Northwestern State winning in OT 27-24. This game was all but lost when NW State’s kicker missed a short field goal at the buzzer that would have won it. JP goes 29-48 for 353 and 4TDs to go against 1 pick, 1 fumble and 3 sacks for minus 27. The fumble was deep inside the opponents territory so that one hurt. JP has one of his best games as Tulane upsets Mississippi State 31-28. They were down 14 in the 4th when JP threw 3 of his 4 TD passes. He goes 29-47 for 4TDs, no picks, no fumbles and only 1 sack. He runs for 17 on 5 carries. Tulane and JP romp over Army, 50-33. He goes 26-34 for 350, no picks, no fumbles and 5, count ‘em, 5 TD passes. He is sacked twice and runs 6 times for 33 yards. This avenges their humiliating loss to Army in 2002. Texas obliterates Tulane, 68-18. JP has a pretty miserable day going 13-29 for 186, 2 picks, 1 fumble and only 1 TD. Down 7-0, he fumbled after being sacked on their first series turning it over to Texas at Tulane’s 13 yard line, Texas promptly makes it 14-0. However, JP shows his pluck by completing a 77 yard pass the very next series ultimately leading to a TD. That was, however, pretty much the only highlight of the day for Tulane. JP is also sacked 4 times. In a C-USA showdown, Tulane loses to Houston 45-42. The game was made close by a furious comeback by Tulane who was down 28-7 at the half and 42-21 in the 3rd Q. JP goes 25-34, 264 and 1 pick. He throws for 3 and runs for 2 touchdowns and was only sacked once and that was on the last play of the game. He engineers an 84 yard drive in 8 plays that took only 1:41 off the clock. Even though he lost the game, I am willing to bet that of all his college games, this is the one that caught TD and MM’s eye more than any other he played. They were down and had to throw like crazy so Houston was after him and still, he made play after play. On top of that Houston was a good team that year, much better than Army. Tulane’s ugly defense again lays an egg as Tulane loses to Louisville, 47-28. JP has a decent day going 16-29 for 243 and 3TDs but he also throws 2 picks and is sacked 3 times, losing 27, he had 5 runs for 28 yards. One pick is returned 33 yards for a TD. JP has his worst game of the year as Tulane gets dumped by Memphis, 41-9 to drop to 3-5 on the season. JP goes 12-32 for just 105 yards, is sacked 3 times losing 30 yards and throws 2 picks, one of which was returned for a touchdown in the second quarter. Things get worse for JP and Tulane as they go down to Navy 35-17. He goes 25-38 for 198 and for the third game in a row, throws 2 picks. He has only one TD pass and he is sacked twice. JP gets back on track against Alabama Birmingham, winning 38-24. He goes 16-33 for 255 and 3 TD against only one pick, zero sacks and he runs 4 times for 33. One TD pass is a 78 yarder. Tulane falls to 4-7 after losing to Southern Miss 28-14. JP has a good day going 21-36 for 244 and 2 TDs, no turnovers and only one sack. JP finishes his college career with a win against a very weak East Carolina team (they finished 1-10 that year). He goes 14-20 for 227 and 4 TDs against only 1 pick. He threw an 87 yard TD pass, the longest of his career. He also engineered a 7 play 80 yard drive in the 4th quarter that sealed the win. He was sacked 5 times losing 45 yards. For the season, he goes 251-422 with 27 TD passes, 13 picks and 24 sacks. Essentially, he finished his college career as a 60% passer with twice as many TDs as picks and averaged about 2 sacks a game and while he is no Vick, showed good mobility.
eventualchamps Posted February 18, 2005 Posted February 18, 2005 Great Read - Thanks!! I just hope he doesn't run backward in too many games next year - doh!!!
RkFast Posted February 18, 2005 Posted February 18, 2005 So youve basically taken every single bad play from his college career and put it in one place. Big deal. Now here is the same exercise with all his POSITIVE plays: COLLEGE: Two-time team captain who set the Tulane career record for lowest interception percentage in school history with a mark of 2.73 (27 INTs in 987 attempts)…finished his career ranked in the Green Wave all-time Top 10 in 18 categories, including third in touchdown passes (60), completions (570) and passing efficiency (129.81)…also ranks in the Top 10 all-time in Conference USA in ten different passing and total offense records…originally began his career at UCLA, transferring to Tulane in 2000, where he served in a reserve role behind Patrick Ramsey for two seasons…started 27 of 38 games during his career, completing 570 of 987 passes (57.7%) for 6,754 yards, 60 touchdowns and only 27 interceptions…gained 241 yards with 10 scores on 237 carries…gained 6,995 yards in total offense, an average of 184.1 yards per game…2003: All-Conference USA second-team selection…one of seven finalists for the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award, given to the nation's top senior quarterback…led the C-USA in touchdown passes and passing yards and ranked second in the league in total offense…became only the third player in school history to throw for over 3,000 yards in a season, completing 251 of 422 passes (59.5%) for 3,077 yards, 33 touchdowns and 14 interceptions…his 33 scoring tosses are topped only by Shaun King (36 in 1998) on the school's season-record list…gained 80 yards with a pair of scores on 77 carries…had 3,157 yards in total offense, an average of 263.1 yards per game…threw at least one touchdown pass in every game…vs. TCU, hit on 25 of 42 tosses for 303 yards and a pair of scores and added 24 yards on seven carries…vs. Northwestern State (La.), completed 29 of 48 attempts for a season-high 353 yards and four touchdowns, including 28, 32 & 23-yarders…set a school record with his fourth consecutive 300-yard performance, gaining 350 yards on 26 of 34 throws with a school record-tying five touchdowns at Army…his five scores tied a Tulane record…at Alabama-Birminghan, connected on 16 of 33 tosses for 255 yards and three touchdowns, including a 78-yarder, and rushed four times for 33 yards…closed out his career with 14 of 20 passes for 227 yards and four touchdowns, including a career-long 87-yarder vs. East Carolina…2002: Team captain, starting every game…completed 230 of 401 passes (57.4%) for 2,468 yards, 19 touchdowns and 10 interceptions…Carried 88 times for six scores…gained 2,487 yards in total offense, an average of 191.3 yards per game...against Louisiana-Monroe, connected on 21 of 35 passes for 300 yards and four touchdowns with a long of 43 yards…tied the school game-record with five touchdown tosses, including a 54-yarder as he connected on 25 of 35 attempts for 329 yards against Navy…ran for 1 & 3-yard touchdowns and completed 20 of 39 throws for 240 yards against Hawaii in the Hawaii Bowl 2001: appeared in three games, starting the Army game while backing up Patrick Ramsey…finished with 31 of 49 passes (63.3%) for 487 yards, four touchdowns and one interception…Carried 13 times for one score…against Army, completed 25 of 39 attempts for 384 yards and three touchdowns and ran for a 3-yard score…2000: appeared in 10 games, starting vs. East Carolina…completed 58 of 115 passes (50.4%) for 722 yards, four touchdowns and two interceptions…carried 59 times for 133 yards and a score…averaged 85.5 yards per game in total offense…in his first career start, against East Carolina, he hit on 20 of 35 passes for 299 yards and a pair of scores, also rushed 19 times for 40 yards…1999: redshirted due to NCAA transfer regulations, but did not lose a year of eligibility…he had graduated early from high school and spent the Spring 1999 semester at UCLA before opting for Tulane.
mead107 Posted February 18, 2005 Posted February 18, 2005 So youve basically taken every single bad play from his college career and put it in one place. Big deal. Now here is the same exercise with all his POSITIVE plays: COLLEGE: Two-time team captain who set the Tulane career record for lowest interception percentage in school history with a mark of 2.73 (27 INTs in 987 attempts)…finished his career ranked in the Green Wave all-time Top 10 in 18 categories, including third in touchdown passes (60), completions (570) and passing efficiency (129.81)…also ranks in the Top 10 all-time in Conference USA in ten different passing and total offense records…originally began his career at UCLA, transferring to Tulane in 2000, where he served in a reserve role behind Patrick Ramsey for two seasons…started 27 of 38 games during his career, completing 570 of 987 passes (57.7%) for 6,754 yards, 60 touchdowns and only 27 interceptions…gained 241 yards with 10 scores on 237 carries…gained 6,995 yards in total offense, an average of 184.1 yards per game…2003: All-Conference USA second-team selection…one of seven finalists for the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award, given to the nation's top senior quarterback…led the C-USA in touchdown passes and passing yards and ranked second in the league in total offense…became only the third player in school history to throw for over 3,000 yards in a season, completing 251 of 422 passes (59.5%) for 3,077 yards, 33 touchdowns and 14 interceptions…his 33 scoring tosses are topped only by Shaun King (36 in 1998) on the school's season-record list…gained 80 yards with a pair of scores on 77 carries…had 3,157 yards in total offense, an average of 263.1 yards per game…threw at least one touchdown pass in every game…vs. TCU, hit on 25 of 42 tosses for 303 yards and a pair of scores and added 24 yards on seven carries…vs. Northwestern State (La.), completed 29 of 48 attempts for a season-high 353 yards and four touchdowns, including 28, 32 & 23-yarders…set a school record with his fourth consecutive 300-yard performance, gaining 350 yards on 26 of 34 throws with a school record-tying five touchdowns at Army…his five scores tied a Tulane record…at Alabama-Birminghan, connected on 16 of 33 tosses for 255 yards and three touchdowns, including a 78-yarder, and rushed four times for 33 yards…closed out his career with 14 of 20 passes for 227 yards and four touchdowns, including a career-long 87-yarder vs. East Carolina…2002: Team captain, starting every game…completed 230 of 401 passes (57.4%) for 2,468 yards, 19 touchdowns and 10 interceptions…Carried 88 times for six scores…gained 2,487 yards in total offense, an average of 191.3 yards per game...against Louisiana-Monroe, connected on 21 of 35 passes for 300 yards and four touchdowns with a long of 43 yards…tied the school game-record with five touchdown tosses, including a 54-yarder as he connected on 25 of 35 attempts for 329 yards against Navy…ran for 1 & 3-yard touchdowns and completed 20 of 39 throws for 240 yards against Hawaii in the Hawaii Bowl 2001: appeared in three games, starting the Army game while backing up Patrick Ramsey…finished with 31 of 49 passes (63.3%) for 487 yards, four touchdowns and one interception…Carried 13 times for one score…against Army, completed 25 of 39 attempts for 384 yards and three touchdowns and ran for a 3-yard score…2000: appeared in 10 games, starting vs. East Carolina…completed 58 of 115 passes (50.4%) for 722 yards, four touchdowns and two interceptions…carried 59 times for 133 yards and a score…averaged 85.5 yards per game in total offense…in his first career start, against East Carolina, he hit on 20 of 35 passes for 299 yards and a pair of scores, also rushed 19 times for 40 yards…1999: redshirted due to NCAA transfer regulations, but did not lose a year of eligibility…he had graduated early from high school and spent the Spring 1999 semester at UCLA before opting for Tulane. 244793[/snapback] good post
KRC Posted February 18, 2005 Posted February 18, 2005 Damn, it is like I am on the PPP board. The thread starts with a biased view of a situation. Only pointing out the negative while completely ignoring the positive, which gives the reader a purposely skewed perspective on the situation. RK counters with the opposite. As usual, the truth lies somewhere in between these two posts.
Mickey Posted February 18, 2005 Author Posted February 18, 2005 So youve basically taken every single bad play from his college career and put it in one place. Big deal. Now here is the same exercise with all his POSITIVE plays: COLLEGE: Two-time team captain who set the Tulane career record for lowest interception percentage in school history with a mark of 2.73 (27 INTs in 987 attempts)…finished his career ranked in the Green Wave all-time Top 10 in 18 categories, including third in touchdown passes (60), completions (570) and passing efficiency (129.81)…also ranks in the Top 10 all-time in Conference USA in ten different passing and total offense records…originally began his career at UCLA, transferring to Tulane in 2000, where he served in a reserve role behind Patrick Ramsey for two seasons…started 27 of 38 games during his career, completing 570 of 987 passes (57.7%) for 6,754 yards, 60 touchdowns and only 27 interceptions…gained 241 yards with 10 scores on 237 carries…gained 6,995 yards in total offense, an average of 184.1 yards per game…2003: All-Conference USA second-team selection…one of seven finalists for the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award, given to the nation's top senior quarterback…led the C-USA in touchdown passes and passing yards and ranked second in the league in total offense…became only the third player in school history to throw for over 3,000 yards in a season, completing 251 of 422 passes (59.5%) for 3,077 yards, 33 touchdowns and 14 interceptions…his 33 scoring tosses are topped only by Shaun King (36 in 1998) on the school's season-record list…gained 80 yards with a pair of scores on 77 carries…had 3,157 yards in total offense, an average of 263.1 yards per game…threw at least one touchdown pass in every game…vs. TCU, hit on 25 of 42 tosses for 303 yards and a pair of scores and added 24 yards on seven carries…vs. Northwestern State (La.), completed 29 of 48 attempts for a season-high 353 yards and four touchdowns, including 28, 32 & 23-yarders…set a school record with his fourth consecutive 300-yard performance, gaining 350 yards on 26 of 34 throws with a school record-tying five touchdowns at Army…his five scores tied a Tulane record…at Alabama-Birminghan, connected on 16 of 33 tosses for 255 yards and three touchdowns, including a 78-yarder, and rushed four times for 33 yards…closed out his career with 14 of 20 passes for 227 yards and four touchdowns, including a career-long 87-yarder vs. East Carolina…2002: Team captain, starting every game…completed 230 of 401 passes (57.4%) for 2,468 yards, 19 touchdowns and 10 interceptions…Carried 88 times for six scores…gained 2,487 yards in total offense, an average of 191.3 yards per game...against Louisiana-Monroe, connected on 21 of 35 passes for 300 yards and four touchdowns with a long of 43 yards…tied the school game-record with five touchdown tosses, including a 54-yarder as he connected on 25 of 35 attempts for 329 yards against Navy…ran for 1 & 3-yard touchdowns and completed 20 of 39 throws for 240 yards against Hawaii in the Hawaii Bowl 2001: appeared in three games, starting the Army game while backing up Patrick Ramsey…finished with 31 of 49 passes (63.3%) for 487 yards, four touchdowns and one interception…Carried 13 times for one score…against Army, completed 25 of 39 attempts for 384 yards and three touchdowns and ran for a 3-yard score…2000: appeared in 10 games, starting vs. East Carolina…completed 58 of 115 passes (50.4%) for 722 yards, four touchdowns and two interceptions…carried 59 times for 133 yards and a score…averaged 85.5 yards per game in total offense…in his first career start, against East Carolina, he hit on 20 of 35 passes for 299 yards and a pair of scores, also rushed 19 times for 40 yards…1999: redshirted due to NCAA transfer regulations, but did not lose a year of eligibility…he had graduated early from high school and spent the Spring 1999 semester at UCLA before opting for Tulane. 244793[/snapback] Actually, what I did was put his stats, good and bad in one place on a game by game basis with a little info on each taken from Tulane's own press clippings. Of course, that required that I actually read all of them including the linked play by play reports rather than just cut and paste a general summary with no context. That is why I was able to remark, for example, that despite making a mistake on one play, he came right back the next series to complete a long one. Never the less, by all means, feel free to mischaracterize the post as including only his negative plays. Why let the truth get in the way?
Mickey Posted February 18, 2005 Author Posted February 18, 2005 Damn, it is like I am on the PPP board. The thread starts with a biased view of a situation. Only pointing out the negative while completely ignoring the positive, which gives the reader a purposely skewed perspective on the situation. RK counters with the opposite. As usual, the truth lies somewhere in between these two posts. 244803[/snapback] Ken, do I really need to go back through the firts post and quote word for word each and every time I included positive information to demonstrate that your take that I pointed out the negative "...while completely ignoring the positive..." is totally wrong? Maybe one example will suffice: "In a C-USA showdown, Tulane loses to Houston 45-42. The game was made close by a furious comeback by Tulane who was down 28-7 at the half and 42-21 in the 3rd Q. JP goes 25-34, 264 and 1 pick. He throws for 3 and runs for 2 touchdowns and was only sacked once and that was on the last play of the game. He engineers an 84 yard drive in 8 plays that took only 1:41 off the clock. Even though he lost the game, I am willing to bet that of all his college games, this is the one that caught TD and MM’s eye more than any other he played. They were down and had to throw like crazy so Houston was after him and still, he made play after play. On top of that Houston was a good team that year, much better than Army." Completely ignoring the positive????
KRC Posted February 18, 2005 Posted February 18, 2005 Ken, do I really need to go back through the firts post and quote word for word each and every time I included positive information to demonstrate that your take that I pointed out the negative "...while completely ignoring the positive..." is totally wrong? Maybe one example will suffice: "In a C-USA showdown, Tulane loses to Houston 45-42. The game was made close by a furious comeback by Tulane who was down 28-7 at the half and 42-21 in the 3rd Q. JP goes 25-34, 264 and 1 pick. He throws for 3 and runs for 2 touchdowns and was only sacked once and that was on the last play of the game. He engineers an 84 yard drive in 8 plays that took only 1:41 off the clock. Even though he lost the game, I am willing to bet that of all his college games, this is the one that caught TD and MM’s eye more than any other he played. They were down and had to throw like crazy so Houston was after him and still, he made play after play. On top of that Houston was a good team that year, much better than Army." Completely ignoring the positive???? 244817[/snapback] It was obviously written from a biased POV. Just because you refuse to admit it, does not mean that it does not exist.
IDBillzFan Posted February 18, 2005 Posted February 18, 2005 I gotta say, Mick, that was like reading a recap of Bledsoe's last two years.
PIZ Posted February 18, 2005 Posted February 18, 2005 Geez, does the guy have stubs for fingers like Travis Hunter? Lots of fumbles.
LabattBlue Posted February 18, 2005 Posted February 18, 2005 It was obviously written from a biased POV. Just because you refuse to admit it, does not mean that it does not exist. 244821[/snapback] Is this copyrighted or can I feel free to re-use this? I wonder how many times a week you have to type this out over on PPP?
Mickey Posted February 18, 2005 Author Posted February 18, 2005 It was obviously written from a biased POV. Just because you refuse to admit it, does not mean that it does not exist. 244821[/snapback] If you say it is so, it must be. I see that you have ignored the direct quote showing that your assertion that I "completely ignored the positive" was false. Just another case of where you are right even when you are demonstrably wrong.
Mickey Posted February 18, 2005 Author Posted February 18, 2005 I gotta say, Mick, that was like reading a recap of Bledsoe's last two years. 244824[/snapback] Well, he was on a team with an unbelievably bad defense. If you take that into account, I think averaging only two sacks a game shows that he can get around on his feet pretty well. Some people go over the top on that and talk as if he is the next Michael Vick. Not quite. Plus he had twice as many TDs as picks and that is not too shabby at all, again, given the team he was on. Of course, you can't listen to me because I am biased against Losman, even when I praise him, just ask KRC.
Mickey Posted February 18, 2005 Author Posted February 18, 2005 Geez, does the guy have stubs for fingers like Travis Hunter? Lots of fumbles. 244829[/snapback] Really? I forgot to count the fumbles but I don't think he really had very many. My take on those numbers is not that he is turnover prone at all, especially given how bad that defense was and how they had to play from behind a lot. If I had to sum it up, I'd say that the most encouraging trait he showed in college was the ability to put together a scoring drive in a hurry. I really didn't see anything jump out at me as really negative. If I had to pick one criticism it would be that he had good games against bad teams, bad games against good teams and so-so games against so-so teams. In short, he didn't seem to be able to hoist the team on his shoulders and pull one off mostly on his own. That is not very revealing, I know but that is the feeling I got after reading everything I could find on his college years. Tulane was such a mediocre program that it is really difficult to evaluate one guy. It always is in a team sport I guess but even more so with a team like that which was so good on offense, appalling on defense and with a schedule that ran the gamut from Texas to Louisiana-Monroe.
sfladave Posted February 18, 2005 Posted February 18, 2005 Well, he was on a team with an unbelievably bad defense. If you take that into account, I think averaging only two sacks a game shows that he can get around on his feet pretty well. Some people go over the top on that and talk as if he is the next Michael Vick. Not quite. Plus he had twice as many TDs as picks and that is not too shabby at all, again, given the team he was on. Of course, you can't listen to me because I am biased against Losman, even when I praise him, just ask KRC. 244852[/snapback] Now you're flip flopping...take a stand man! Just kidding, when I read your original post I too thought you had a heavy negative slant to it, but you did point out some positives. Any attempt to look into JPs college career will not give us any real insight into his pro abilities IMHO. He played for a team that was terrible, in a conference that was terrible. Even if you look at games that he played against top notch college programs we can't get an accurate read on him because he had no supporting cast around him. We will all have to wait and see what this kid can do for us. FYI when I asked the magis 8 ball if JP would be an excellent QB next year it said, "It is decidedly so." When I asked the magic 8 ball if JP would win us a SB next year it said, "Most likely."
PIZ Posted February 18, 2005 Posted February 18, 2005 Really? I forgot to count the fumbles but I don't think he really had very many. My take on those numbers is not that he is turnover prone at all, especially given 244873[/snapback] Now that JP is the man, lets take an in depth look at his college stats. He replaced the graduated Pat Ramsey in 2002 as the starter at Tulane. Here is the Reader’s Digest version of the life and times of one JP Losman: His 2002 season: In his second start he gets a win against Houston, 34-13. He goes 14 of 25 for 208 with 1 int., 2 fumbles and 2 TD (37 and 28 yards). JP loses another one, this time to Memphis in a blow out, 38-10. He had a number of fumbles but at least two were recovered by his own guys. JP has a field day against powerhouse Louisiana-Monroe and gets a win, 52-9. He fumbles once but his own guys get it. He runs only a few times for not much. JP gets another win, this time against Cincinnati, 35-17. He is sacked 4 times and fumbles once. His 2003 season: Tulane opens with a loss to TCU 38-35. JP goes 25-42 for 303 and 2 TDs but throws 2 picks, is sacked 3 times and fumbled once but it was recovered by Tulane. Tulane gets their first win of the season against Northwestern State winning in OT 27-24. JP goes 29-48 for 353 and 4TDs to go against 1 pick, 1 fumble and 3 sacks for minus 27. The fumble was deep inside the opponents territory so that one hurt. Texas obliterates Tulane, 68-18. JP has a pretty miserable day going 13-29 for 186, 2 picks, 1 fumble and only 1 TD. Down 7-0, he fumbled after being sacked on their first series turning it over to Texas at Tulane’s 13 yard line, Texas promptly makes it 14-0.
dave mcbride Posted February 18, 2005 Posted February 18, 2005 It was obviously written from a biased POV. Just because you refuse to admit it, does not mean that it does not exist. 244821[/snapback] what's your problem, man? can't you read? it's pretty freakin' clear to me that it's basically an objective listing of the facts.
BillsNYC Posted February 18, 2005 Posted February 18, 2005 It was obviously written from a biased POV. Just because you refuse to admit it, does not mean that it does not exist. 244821[/snapback] I gotta say that I think you're being a little paranoid. He may or may not support Losman, but he relayed some stats. Obviously there's more to the story like having a horrible o-line and no receivers, but stats are stats and outcomes are outcomes.
dave mcbride Posted February 18, 2005 Posted February 18, 2005 Really? I forgot to count the fumbles but I don't think he really had very many. My take on those numbers is not that he is turnover prone at all, especially given how bad that defense was and how they had to play from behind a lot. If I had to sum it up, I'd say that the most encouraging trait he showed in college was the ability to put together a scoring drive in a hurry. I really didn't see anything jump out at me as really negative. If I had to pick one criticism it would be that he had good games against bad teams, bad games against good teams and so-so games against so-so teams. In short, he didn't seem to be able to hoist the team on his shoulders and pull one off mostly on his own. That is not very revealing, I know but that is the feeling I got after reading everything I could find on his college years. Tulane was such a mediocre program that it is really difficult to evaluate one guy. It always is in a team sport I guess but even more so with a team like that which was so good on offense, appalling on defense and with a schedule that ran the gamut from Texas to Louisiana-Monroe. 244873[/snapback] the guy who he seems most like is favre, and the teams they both played for are probably pretty similar in terms of competition and records. southern miss wasn't a very good program and wasn't talent laden, but when favre was there they were respectable. favre strikes me as having had the same type of mobility as losman, and the same penchant to force some throws. but he also produced lots of big plays and TDs using his escapability. one can only hope that we have a favre (the best player i've seen in my lifetime, in my humble opinion), and i certainly wouldn't expect it. that said, that's who he's most comparable too in terms of skill set, draft position (favre was taken with the 31st pick overall), and college background.
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