Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 If he's so good, why is it that team after team moves on from him after 1 season? LOOK OVER THERE! SHINY! That's why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 LOOK OVER THERE! SHINY! That's why. No. It's we're on a road to nowhere with this guy. Let's find a new driver! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Fitz had a good year for the Jets last season. BUT he is still Ryan Fitzpatrick, the QB who chokes when it matters the most. He did it here and he did it in NY. He knew Chan's system which was a huge plus, but he just doesn't perform in the clutch very well. Good, likable guy, but not the guy who will lead you to the promised land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 If he's so good, why is it that team after team moves on from him after 1 season? Because they're a dumb football team. Their starting Qbs had 59 and 55 qb ratings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 8, 2016 Author Share Posted March 8, 2016 10-6 > 7-5 or 8-6 We aren't really arguing simple math are we? Fitz had a 95 qb rating for the Texans, which was almost 40 points higher than Hoyer had this year. You guys are working way too hard to hate on Fitz. i am not having to work hard to show he's not playoff caliber. It would be quite a stretch to prove otherwise, actually. I just posted that I don't hate him. No one hates him. Why do you keep using that word? It's getting weird. He's never made the playoffs in many tries with many teams, all who moved on from him when they could have kept him. So I hate him because I say he's not playoff caliber? I don't think it's worth furthering the discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) i am not having to work hard to show he's not playoff caliber. It would be quite a stretch to prove otherwise, actually. I just posted that I don't hate him. No one hates him. Why do you keep using that word? It's getting weird. He's never made the playoffs in many tries with many teams, all who moved on from him when they could have kept him. So I hate him because I say he's not playoff caliber? I don't think it's worth furthering the discussion. Agree and you're not calling him a bum like other people (I think calling someone a bum is hating on them). But the sad fact is he was better this year and was part of more wins than any qb we have had since 2000. Edited March 8, 2016 by C.Biscuit97 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 If he's so good, why is it that team after team moves on from him after 1 season?because he's average to moderately above average on a game by game season by season basis and he's 33(ish). Tell me this, if you are Denver w a really, really good defense who do you prefer Fitz or Osweiler? I believe that Denver hitching their wagon to Osweiler RIGHT NOW is the wrong move vs. making a run at Fitz. That's just me though & I was and am still happy he's out of Buffalo, but I'm not so blind as to miss that he is better than many starting QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 because he's average to moderately above average on a game by game season by season basis and he's 33(ish). Tell me this, if you are Denver w a really, really good defense who do you prefer Fitz or Osweiler? I believe that Denver hitching their wagon to Osweiler RIGHT NOW is the wrong move vs. making a run at Fitz. That's just me though & I was and am still happy he's out of Buffalo, but I'm not so blind as to miss that he is better than many starting QBs. Agree. Denver with a two year window is better off rolling with Fitzy at a possibly cheaper price. They just won a Superbowl with a corpse. No need to overpay for a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxum Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Wrong. Orton was 7-5 and Tyrod was 8-6. And defending whether or not Fitz is a playoff QB is a really silly argument given his resume. Teams have records not QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Fitz really overachieved for the Jets last year and overall looked good. But the money average QBs are scoring lately (Osweiler, Bradford) is crazy, and the Jets can't afford the $10 million plus per year Fitz is likely asking for. My point exactly. Osweiler, Bradford and Cousins have all gotten insane money offers. I would take Fitz over any, and his agent is doing him a disservice if he doesn't take advantage of the deal. His best situation may very well be the Jets. But they really can't afford top dollar without serious cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) because he's average to moderately above average on a game by game season by season basis and he's 33(ish). Tell me this, if you are Denver w a really, really good defense who do you prefer Fitz or Osweiler? I believe that Denver hitching their wagon to Osweiler RIGHT NOW is the wrong move vs. making a run at Fitz. That's just me though & I was and am still happy he's out of Buffalo, but I'm not so blind as to miss that he is better than many starting QBs. I'm taking Osweiler today and every day. Edited March 8, 2016 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 I'm taking Osweiler today and every day. perhaps we will see if you made the right choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 I'm taking Osweiler today and every day. I actually liked BO in college. But you pointed out why teams move on from Fitz. That magic word of potential. But here's a list of guys that replaced Fitz after he left places: Manuel, Mettenberger, Mallett, Hoyer. Who is going to have a better career than Fitz? He had a good year last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinii Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Harvard Man has played his cards right, a middling QB who has made a nice living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxum Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 http://predominantlyorange.com/2016/03/08/broncos-offseason-could-ryan-fitzpatrick-be-an-option/ He had a great season last year with the Jets, throwing for over 3,900 yards and 31 touchdowns. He could also fit well in Gary Kubiak’s system. I have watched a couple of his games and he has looked pretty sharp in the few I got to see. He has his sharp moments, and some dull moments. But as we saw with the Broncos last year, the quarterback does not need to put up flashy numbers in order to help his team win. Especially since the Broncos have an elite defense backing the quarterback up. I would have to say the best game I saw from him was his overtime win against the New England Patriots in Week 16. He threw for 296 yards and three touchdowns, including the game winner to former Bronco Eric Decker. He is a quarterback who has veteran experience, can tuck and run, and has been pretty accurate throwing the ball. I think he could really help contribute in Denver. And if Osweiler does leave, he could be a great mentor to Trevor Siemian. Not sure if this would happen, but having Fitzpatrick in orange and blue in 2016 is something I could be 100 percent behind. It would be ironic for Fritz to go to Denver with Eric Decker actively pushing Jets to resign him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 (edited) he has never made the playoffs. He's been in the league for many years and on multiple teams. He's not playoff caliber. If he was he would have made the playoffs at least once. He was on the Texans last year and didn't make it, a team that made the playoffs this year with a QB carousel that included 3 backup quality players. he got close this year, good for him. He didn't make it. Yolo, I really don't want to get sucked into Yet Another Fitz Thread, but the point about "he's been in the league, if he were playoff caliber he would have been there at least once." strikes me as really specious. Houston had exactly the same record last year, 9-7, as they had this year, only last year the Colts won the division and there were two 10-6 teams; this year with the Colts in a tailspin Houston won it. Since Fitz took last year's Houston team to the same record that put them in the playoffs this year, and this year's Jets team to the same record that put the Bengals and Ravens into the playoffs, that would seem to argue he is on the level that takes some teams to the playoffs, and there is an element of luck involved? Many years, multiple teams....Football is a team game, and not going to playoffs speaks to more than the QB. He's not a great or elite QB that can carry a team into the playoffs without a strong D and pieces around him. There are only a handful of those in the league at any one time. If that's what you mean by "playoff caliber" I guess I would agree, with the caveat in that case many a QB who has been to the playoffs is NOT "playoff caliber". Do I think the Jets will regret not resigning him if they don't? Yes, I do. The FA QB market is poor, the draft class isn't great, Geno is questionable. Some sports writer summed it up nicely - Fitz is a QB with a long history of being considered "not quite good enough" by teams that then do a wholly inadequate job of replacing him. I think he still may sign with the Jets. This may have been a "here's our offer" "I'm worth more" "OK, go test the waters and if you don't find more, come back" Edited March 9, 2016 by Hopeful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2016 Author Share Posted March 9, 2016 I'm pretty sure he will sign with the Jets. Haven't heard anyone else interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 http://predominantlyorange.com/2016/03/08/broncos-offseason-could-ryan-fitzpatrick-be-an-option/ It would be ironic for Fritz to go to Denver with Eric Decker actively pushing Jets to resign him. I'm resigned to the fact that he's a lousy NFL starter and I ain't drinkin' Fitz Koolaid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 9, 2016 Author Share Posted March 9, 2016 Decker and Marshall are actively pushing to re-sign him - of course they are! They both had great seasons and don't want to get stuck with Geno or some rook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted March 9, 2016 Share Posted March 9, 2016 Might have gotten $13-$15M if he beat the bills to go 11-5. Now he might be worth at little as $2M. Leodis has to haunting him in his sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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