ExiledInIllinois Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/05/farm-to-table-what-does-it-mean-anymore Is this the enviro $$ movement for food... Should I have merged it into the global warming (I mean climate change) thread... LMAO: "Where chefs would seek out local cheese-makers and farmers who cared about the pigs and cattle and chickens they raised, like the food producers and farmers I’ve made it a practice to seek out, buy from, and write about in an attempt to keep them in business. Why couldn’t the restaurants I went to and reviewed save me the trouble of finding everybody for myself? Why did I have to root everyone out, argue with my editors over whether “artisanal” was a word, and wait till I was headed across the Bay Bridge to Chez Panisse to know I could trust the provenance of what was set in front of me?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Personally, I think the farm-to-table people are just gentrified luddites. But that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I'm probably the most knowledgeable person to discuss this obviously because of my background and where I live but I gave up on that article very early on. I can't stand whiny bitches. My take it this: I think the movement of Chefs becoming more involved in the production of the food they use is actually pretty cool. The ability to talk with the person/persons that are responsible for growing and raising the product is very important. Going to the SF farmers market and seeing Chefs loading up with the freshest of the fresh ingredients and basing their menus on what they find is creativity at it's best. Compare that with driving by the produce market part of Oakland and seeing pallets and boxes piled to the ceiling of **** produce that was ripened in a truck our warehouse is night and day. Sure the menus are a bit annoying with listing where the items were grown or raised but better to know than have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 Personally, I think the farm-to-table people are just gentrified luddites. But that's just me. You are probably right! Way too much time on people's hands. Have had the debate with my super progressive liberal wife. The sketchier the better... I would have never discovered homemade bastani sonata (Persian saffron ice cream)... Should I have asked where they got their ingredients from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 You are probably right! Way too much time on people's hands. Have had the debate with my super progressive liberal wife. The sketchier the better... I would have never discovered homemade bastani sonata (Persian saffron ice cream)... Should I have asked where they got their ingredients from? What makes me laugh about progressives is that they claim to be science-minded, yet many are anti-vaxxers, anti-GMO, anti-4th generation nuclear power, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 What makes me laugh about progressives is that they claim to be science-minded, yet many are anti-vaxxers, anti-GMO, anti-4th generation nuclear power, etc... Yep... Yet, I side with these guys! WTF! I am an enabler... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Yep... Yet, I side with these guys! WTF! I am an enabler... Take the next step. Embrace the light, EII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 Take the next step. Embrace the light, EII. You haven't noticed my take on guns (not as liberal as you think... but closer) and stuff like abortion. Now I know you side libertarian... How do we make that a viable choice, left leaning collective "libertarian" that is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 We've made an extra effort in our house to eat much more cleanly. We're not freaks about it, but we have more than enough options for fresh vegetables, meats, etc. so it becomes being intentional. So we avoid processed condiments by making our own mayo, etc., grindings our own meat, making our own sausages, growing our own herbs and lettuces. What we've found is that we are increasingly sitting in a restaurant eating a meal and saying to ourselves, "We absolutely make this better at home. Why are we here again?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 You haven't noticed my take on guns (not as liberal as you think... but closer) and stuff like abortion. Now I know you side libertarian... How do we make that a viable choice, left leaning collective "libertarian" that is... A member of the Libertarian Party is a left-leaning libertarian. By and large, what they advocate for are libertarian reforms for socialist programs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 26, 2016 Author Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) What we've found is that we are increasingly sitting in a restaurant eating a meal and saying to ourselves, "We absolutely make this better at home. Why are we here again?" I agree... I lost over a 100 pounds by just getting back to what I did in my youth and younger days. (I haven't exercised and more or less than I normally would have... Maybe a little more walking) For many, that is an easy question to answer. Answer: Because somebody else is doing the work and waiting on them hand and foot. Dishes? Who me do dishes? Clean my kitchen?... Many may say. I suppose you can add the gratuitous need to nosh all the time as part of the obesity epidemic... ?? Edited February 26, 2016 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 I knew a older couple who would only eat fruit that has fallen from the tree. They were rich, but looked malnourished. -Owned orchards and sold art. Also, they were crazy. (literally, the guy had hallucinations, and talked to imaginary people. His wife accepted his visions as real. They were friendly though. Gave me free golf balls) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/sam-beall-a-restaurateur-who-took-fine-dining-to-the-farm-dies-at-39.html Sad no doubt... But probably what gets to the heart of my distain about F2t: Elitism. Sure I am a skier and enjoy fine things, trips, fresh food. It's the market behind it that bothers me, like the whole "green" & enviro global warming/climate thing. Huge unintended damage often caused somewhere else. Why can't we just stay old school and just conserve... Just choose fresh food... Why does the elite money machine behind need to drive hooey like "going green" by screwing in "Al Gore lightbulbs" and now this gimmick: F2t? Way too much time on people's hands and too little productive work being done... AND yet he dies skiing? RIP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 "Samuel Erasmus Beall IV was born on Aug. 21, 1976, in Knoxville, Tenn. When Morrison, a company based in Mobile, Ala., bought the Ruby Tuesday chain in 1982, his father took him to Mobile, and he grew up there. During the summers he worked in his fathers restaurants." So basically he made bank early on corporate dining... Nuking nachos and frozen bags of pasta! Yikes... There's $$$ to be made! Now let's sell them artisan cheese and chocolate! How is this F2t movement other progressive BS? Let's take the gr8 leap... FORWARD! Sorry the guy died playing in the snow... But I started on my thread/screed about the F2t thing when the deceased was living... How strange is that... Oh my! Why can't the person and market decide when they see nasty food? Then just move on... Because there is no $$$ to be made in the gimmick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 I cringe when I think of the stuff I used to "cook" in order to save time. It was prefabricated crap loaded with who-knows-what. I just never knew how easy it is to cook good, fresh food - and it usually doesn't take much time at all. Even stuff that looks and sounds complex can be done easily with a pressure cooker and a Vitamix. I even make my own chocolate. Hopefully the calories expended getting it smooth are offset by how much I eat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 I cringe when I think of the stuff I used to "cook" in order to save time. It was prefabricated crap loaded with who-knows-what. I just never knew how easy it is to cook good, fresh food - and it usually doesn't take much time at all. Even stuff that looks and sounds complex can be done easily with a pressure cooker and a Vitamix. I even make my own chocolate. Hopefully the calories expended getting it smooth are offset by how much I eat Yeah... Agree... BUT think of the other side as a good progressive liberal. Working a labor job 12 hours a day does take a lot out of people who have no gumption, will power, & quit easily... If that is actually the case. I do cut them some slack and feel sorry. Some will physically take what they perceive as the easiest way out... Because they simply can't expend anymore. IMO it is like that baby elephant that was chained w/a heavy chain... They are now big and could easily pull it off... BUT they don't know how and even if they can! A lot of people's bodies wilt under stress and labor... Sometimes working your butt off in physically grinding jobs leave no motivation for self. I guess it is like the story about the carpenter. Homeowner says: "Take your time, do a good job & treat it like it was your house." Said carpenter packs up tools and begins to leave. Lady says: "Where are you going?" Carpenter replies: "I will be back in 20 years." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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