aristocrat Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 Chan just what is says What spot in the first round have the jags been drafting? Here....I will get the info 2010 10 Tyson Alualu DT California 2011 10 Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri Played three seasons for the Jaguars, totaling 22 touchdowns and 24 interceptions; was traded in 2014. 2012 5 Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State Suspended indefinitely for substance abuse in 2013 after playing 20 games; has not played again as of 2015. 2013 2 Luke Joeckel OT Texas A&M [19]2014 3 Blake Bortles QB UCF 2015 3 Dante Fowler, Jr. DE Florida Soooooo the jags have been picking in the top 10 in each of the last 6 years......in the last THREE years it has been in the top THREE picks That means they have been losing a lot of games....not conducive to making the playoffs wouldnt you say? they've addressed the most important spot in qb. if bortles improves and throws less picks he looks like a stud. now they need to address the defense...if fowler comes back and plays like he can that will be huge along with their first rounder this year. i'm not saying playoffs but i can see .500 or maybe even better. it's the sout...texans, colts, titans. they could very well take the division.
John from Riverside Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 I thought you were trying to say they have a better chance of making the playoffs because they draft so high. I had to be sure. lol no the opposite actually they've addressed the most important spot in qb. if bortles improves and throws less picks he looks like a stud. now they need to address the defense...if fowler comes back and plays like he can that will be huge along with their first rounder this year. i'm not saying playoffs but i can see .500 or maybe even better. it's the sout...texans, colts, titans. they could very well take the division. I just want to point out that you used the word "if" twice in your post I am not saying the jags dont have talent.....they do and frankly should seeing as how they pick in the top ten like EVERY year......but having talent on a team does not always translate to making the playoffs and we as bills fans unfortunately see that. Conversely......Whaley had a middle round 2nd pick last year and turned it into the runner up rookie defensive player of the year.
aristocrat Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 lol no the opposite actually I just want to point out that you used the word "if" twice in your post I am not saying the jags dont have talent.....they do and frankly should seeing as how they pick in the top ten like EVERY year......but having talent on a team does not always translate to making the playoffs and we as bills fans unfortunately see that. Conversely......Whaley had a middle round 2nd pick last year and turned it into the runner up rookie defensive player of the year. Oh don't we know bad coaching. I was leading the charge for rex getting canned. Just like anybody drafting is the key to success. If we want to sniff the playoffs we need more talent on the defense.
Virgil Posted March 9, 2016 Author Posted March 9, 2016 Oh don't we know bad coaching. I was leading the charge for rex getting canned. Just like anybody drafting is the key to success. If we want to sniff the playoffs we need more talent on the defense. Did anyone think we'd be saying that about our defense a year ago? Beyond frustrating
CommonCents Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 ok and where are they drafting commonsense? What is the that number in the 1st round and having 70 million in cap space doesnt really mean anything if it does not translate to wins Where are they drafting? The only top pick they actually hit on was Bortles. They have had serious value selections in rounds 2-5. Players like Allen Robinson, Telvin Coleman, Cann, Hurns, Yeldon, etc. 83 million in cap space with the increase to bolster the roster. If Bortles takes a step forward I could easily see them winning 10 games. They still have plenty of money to surround their young talent with. In 2014 they drafted 5 starters and in 15' they got no less than 3.
BADOLBILZ Posted March 9, 2016 Posted March 9, 2016 Chan just what is says What spot in the first round have the jags been drafting? Here....I will get the info 2010 10 Tyson Alualu DT California 2011 10 Blaine Gabbert QB Missouri Played three seasons for the Jaguars, totaling 22 touchdowns and 24 interceptions; was traded in 2014. 2012 5 Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State Suspended indefinitely for substance abuse in 2013 after playing 20 games; has not played again as of 2015. 2013 2 Luke Joeckel OT Texas A&M [19]2014 3 Blake Bortles QB UCF 2015 3 Dante Fowler, Jr. DE Florida Soooooo the jags have been picking in the top 10 in each of the last 6 years......in the last THREE years it has been in the top THREE picks That means they have been losing a lot of games....not conducive to making the playoffs wouldnt you say? By whiffing on so many high draft pick position players......but hitting ONE first round draft pick at QB..........the Jags are inadvertently doing their part to prove my point that all you really need to do in the first round is draft QB's.....at least until you get a franchise one. Position players get so overvalued..........the reality is that most of these guys are like shiny new cars.......they start rapidly depreciating the minute you drive them off the lot.
thebandit27 Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 (edited) Here's my new figures on Glenn/Gilmore extensions based on recent market activity: Gilmore 5-year, $65.5M, $32.5M guaranteed Base Signing Total Dead 2016 2 6.5 8.5 32.5 2017 5 6.5 11.5 26 2018 6 6.5 12.5 19.5 2019 8 6.5 14.5 13 2020 12 6.5 18.5 6.5 Glenn 5-year, $67.5M, $35M guaranteed Base Signing Total Dead 2016 3.5 7 10.5 35 2017 4.5 7 11.5 28 2018 5.5 7 12.5 21 2019 6.5 7 13.5 14 2020 12.5 7 19.5 7 The above would create about $5M in cap room for 2016, and keep both at cap hits under market value until 2019--the break point of both deals. Edited March 10, 2016 by thebandit27
John from Riverside Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 By whiffing on so many high draft pick position players......but hitting ONE first round draft pick at QB..........the Jags are inadvertently doing their part to prove my point that all you really need to do in the first round is draft QB's.....at least until you get a franchise one. Position players get so overvalued..........the reality is that most of these guys are like shiny new cars.......they start rapidly depreciating the minute you drive them off the lot. I think there is some merit to that....if you are picking in the "qb area picks" What about the bills who pick in the mid level of the 1st round every year?
BarleyNY Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 Here's my new figures on Glenn/Gilmore extensions based on recent market activity: Gilmore 5-year, $65.5M, $32.5M guaranteed Base Signing Total Dead 2016 2 6.5 8.5 32.5 2017 5 6.5 11.5 26 2018 6 6.5 12.5 19.5 2019 8 6.5 14.5 13 2020 12 6.5 18.5 13 Glenn 5-year, $67.5M, $35M guaranteed Base Signing Total Dead 2016 3.5 7 10.5 35 2017 4.5 7 11.5 28 2018 5.5 7 12.5 21 2019 6.5 7 13.5 14 2020 12.5 7 19.5 14 The above would create about $5M in cap room for 2016, and keep both at cap hits under market value until 2019--the break point of both deals. Nice work. Those deals are nicely thought out and they'll be about what it'll probably take to get them done. I am still hoping for a bit of a discount though. (Not to nitpick, but the dead money in the final years of those two deals looks off. Should be 6.5 and 7. Guessing it was a spreadsheet error.)
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 Here's my new figures on Glenn/Gilmore extensions based on recent market activity: Gilmore 5-year, $65.5M, $32.5M guaranteed Base Signing Total Dead 2016 2 6.5 8.5 32.5 2017 5 6.5 11.5 26 2018 6 6.5 12.5 19.5 2019 8 6.5 14.5 13 2020 12 6.5 18.5 13 Glenn 5-year, $67.5M, $35M guaranteed Base Signing Total Dead 2016 3.5 7 10.5 35 2017 4.5 7 11.5 28 2018 5.5 7 12.5 21 2019 6.5 7 13.5 14 2020 12.5 7 19.5 14 The above would create about $5M in cap room for 2016, and keep both at cap hits under market value until 2019--the break point of both deals. Awesome work man! CBF
thebandit27 Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 Nice work. Those deals are nicely thought out and they'll be about what it'll probably take to get them done. I am still hoping for a bit of a discount though. (Not to nitpick, but the dead money in the final years of those two deals looks off. Should be 6.5 and 7. Guessing it was a spreadsheet error.) Hah! Yep, spreadsheet cell reference off. Went back and fixed it. Thanks.
GunnerBill Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 I think there is some merit to that....if you are picking in the "qb area picks" What about the bills who pick in the mid level of the 1st round every year? Yep. The Jags had their pick of QBs on the board. If you are a team that needs one and every QB is still on the board you should take the QB you like the best without any question. The Bills did that in 2013 with EJ. I liked Bortles coming out - I thought he had the most upside of any of those 4 top prospects in that draft and was the only one I'd have considered had he dropped to the Bills in terms of taking a guy when we still weren't sure on EJ.
Canadian Bills Fan Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 Which was worse? Our cap situation now, or when we were in the Donahoe era? CBF
K-9 Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 Which was worse? Our cap situation now, or when we were in the Donahoe era? CBF The Butler era. He left us a mess. GO BILLS!!!
BuffaloBillsForever Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 (edited) The Butler era. He left us a mess. GO BILLS!!! Donahoe and Whaley are essentially the same at building a roster but Pegula let Whaley spend myopically like a drunken sailor going to port while Ralph stood their with the tightened purse strings. Edited March 10, 2016 by BuffaloBillsForever
Deranged Rhino Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 Donahoe and Whaley are essentially the same at building a roster but one owner let one spend myopically like a sailor going to port. Myopic! Everyone take a drink!
K-9 Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 Donahoe and Whaley are essentially the same at building a roster but Pegula let Whaley spend myopically like a drunken sailor going to port while Ralph stood their with the tightened purse strings. What does that have to do with Butler? GO BILLS!!!
Deranged Rhino Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 What does that have to do with Butler? GO BILLS!!! Stop being so myopic.
BuffaloBillsForever Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 What does that have to do with Butler? GO BILLS!!! Sorry, that was in response to the previous post. I quoted the wrong post.
BADOLBILZ Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 Here's my new figures on Glenn/Gilmore extensions based on recent market activity: Gilmore 5-year, $65.5M, $32.5M guaranteed Base Signing Total Dead 2016 2 6.5 8.5 32.5 2017 5 6.5 11.5 26 2018 6 6.5 12.5 19.5 2019 8 6.5 14.5 13 2020 12 6.5 18.5 6.5 Glenn 5-year, $67.5M, $35M guaranteed Base Signing Total Dead 2016 3.5 7 10.5 35 2017 4.5 7 11.5 28 2018 5.5 7 12.5 21 2019 6.5 7 13.5 14 2020 12.5 7 19.5 7 The above would create about $5M in cap room for 2016, and keep both at cap hits under market value until 2019--the break point of both deals. That would be excellent. The fact that Glenn and Gilmore are essentially captive to be negotiated with is a very important reason why you draft key positions early. I'm guessing that in general the overall contract savings on contained players is significant as well.....perhaps 10-20%......but that two year window also allows you time to try to find replacements if not. And then, of course, there is the matter of actually convincing free agents to come to your team when they have so many options. If I never see the Bills reach for another ILB in the first 3 rounds it will still be too soon.
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