thebandit27 Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Founder of OverTheCap Jason_OTC @Jason_OTC 8h8 hours ago Irvington, NJ #Bills can create about $8M in cap space with restructure of Clay's contract. Wouldnt be a wise move IMO. 0 retweets 0 likes Jason_OTC @Jason_OTC 8h8 hours ago Irvington, NJ @nshosho36 Its taking a really bad contract and making it worse, locking you in for more years than you need to be locked in Jason_OTC @Jason_OTC 8h8 hours ago Irvington, NJ @nshosho36 They wont extend they just convert salary to a bonus. Dead money skyrockets as do future cap charges. Makes it harder to cut 0 retweets 0 likes And yet, every season teams do restructuring to make cap space. Wonder why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Founder of OverTheCap Jason_OTC @Jason_OTC 8h8 hours ago Irvington, NJ #Bills can create about $8M in cap space with restructure of Clay's contract. Wouldnt be a wise move IMO. 0 retweets 0 likes Jason_OTC @Jason_OTC 8h8 hours ago Irvington, NJ @nshosho36 Its taking a really bad contract and making it worse, locking you in for more years than you need to be locked in Jason_OTC @Jason_OTC 8h8 hours ago Irvington, NJ @nshosho36 They wont extend they just convert salary to a bonus. Dead money skyrockets as do future cap charges. Makes it harder to cut 0 retweets 0 likes fascinating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) And yet, every season teams do restructuring to make cap space. Wonder why? All contracts are not created equal as well as the risk involved. In this case with the disaster that is Clay's contract it makes sense NOT to restructure considering the ramifications of the dead money involved and and future cap hits especially for an injury prone player that has stayed healthy once in his five year career. The Bills restructuring Clay would just be another example of Doug Whaley's myopic vision putting together this team. Edited February 26, 2016 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Founder of OverTheCap Jason_OTC @Jason_OTC 8h8 hours ago Irvington, NJ #Bills can create about $8M in cap space with restructure of Clay's contract. Wouldnt be a wise move IMO. 0 retweets 0 likes Jason_OTC @Jason_OTC 8h8 hours ago Irvington, NJ @nshosho36 Its taking a really bad contract and making it worse, locking you in for more years than you need to be locked in Jason_OTC @Jason_OTC 8h8 hours ago Irvington, NJ @nshosho36 They wont extend they just convert salary to a bonus. Dead money skyrockets as do future cap charges. Makes it harder to cut 0 retweets 0 likes Clay is a young up and coming player coming into his prime....in what way is it bad to make sure a player like that is not locked in at a cap hit the team can afford. All contracts are not created equal as well as the risk involved. In this case with the disaster that is Clay's contract it makes sense NOT to restructure considering the ramifications of the dead money involved and and future cap hits especially for an injury prone player that has stayed healthy once in his five year career. The Bills restructuring Clay would just be another example of Doug Whaley's myopic vision putting together this team. Or you could just be wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) Clay is a young up and coming player coming into his prime....in what way is it bad to make sure a player like that is not locked in at a cap hit the team can afford. His cap hit over his last 3 years will be $9M, which is quite a lot. To put that in context, Gronk's will be ~$10M. Edited February 26, 2016 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 His cap hit over his last 3 years will be $9M, which is quite a lot. To put that in context, Gronk's will be ~$10M. A lot can happen between now and then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 A lot can happen between now and then What do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Founder of OverTheCap Jason_OTC @Jason_OTC 8h8 hours ago Irvington, NJ #Bills can create about $8M in cap space with restructure of Clay's contract. Wouldnt be a wise move IMO. 0 retweets 0 likes Jason_OTC @Jason_OTC 8h8 hours ago Irvington, NJ @nshosho36 Its taking a really bad contract and making it worse, locking you in for more years than you need to be locked in Jason_OTC @Jason_OTC 8h8 hours ago Irvington, NJ @nshosho36 They wont extend they just convert salary to a bonus. Dead money skyrockets as do future cap charges. Makes it harder to cut 0 retweets 0 likes Gotta disagree with OTC here. It is a bad contract, but kicking some of the cap charges down the road only helps. Not only do the Bills need the space now, but the cap is going up an average of 8% a year. That means there is an 8% per year discount per year on every cap dollar moved into future years. Why not do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) Gotta disagree with OTC here. It is a bad contract, but kicking some of the cap charges down the road only helps. Not only do the Bills need the space now, but the cap is going up an average of 8% a year. That means there is an 8% per year discount per year on every cap dollar moved into future years. Why not do that? The dead money is insane with restructure. Major risk and gives you no flexibility. It is purely myopic. That's the main reason you say no to this restructure. It makes sense when you consider his inabillty to stay healthy and chronic knee problems that have plagued him throughout his career. Edited February 26, 2016 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 The dead money is insane with restructure. Major risk and gives you no flexibility. It is purely myopic. That's the main reason you say no to this restructure. It makes sense when you consider his inabillty to stay healthy and chronic knee problems that have plagued him throughout his career. That makes no sense. The dead money if Clay is released (or traded) would be a cap hit THIS YEAR without the restructure. Oh, and it was guaranteed so the Bills would have to take the hit anyway. The only choice is whether to take it now or spread it out equally over 2016-2019. It was a stupid contract, yes. But the restructure only delays some of the cap hit, it doesn't create any new dead money. Oh, and as I said before - the future hits are a smaller percentage of the overall cap, by 8% per year (on average). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) That makes no sense. The dead money if Clay is released (or traded) would be a cap hit THIS YEAR without the restructure. Oh, and it was guaranteed so the Bills would have to take the hit anyway. The only choice is whether to take it now or spread it out equally over 2016-2019. It was a stupid contract, yes. But the restructure only delays some of the cap hit, it doesn't create any new dead money. Oh, and as I said before - the future hits are a smaller percentage of the overall cap, by 8% per year (on average). It makes TOTAL sense. Dead money goes from 6M,4M and 2M TO 19.5M, 13.5M, 9M and 4.5M. The risk involved with the restructure from 2017 onward has very serious ramifications. Edited February 26, 2016 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 @JoeBanner13 Bills head down the predictable path to cap hell. We have seen this before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 So, with Clay restructured they have a little over $8 mill in cap space now if my math is right. Free up a few million more with some restructures and Stephon's extension... and we haven't even addressed Mario's situation yet. "Worst cap situation" is becoming a bit more hyperbolic by the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 So, with Clay restructured they have a little over $8 mill in cap space now if my math is right. Free up a few million more with some restructures and Stephon's extension... and we haven't even addressed Mario's situation yet. "Worst cap situation" is becoming a bit more hyperbolic by the week. We all (or at least most of us) knew that they were going to maneuver to get under the cap and retain players they believe are key to their future success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Clay's contract was specifically designed to get him on the team and then be restructured. This is just a step that was always going to be taken. He is a good player. i don't see the problem here at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 We all (or at least most of us) knew that they were going to maneuver to get under the cap and retain players they believe are key to their future success. True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 @JoeBanner13 Bills head down the predictable path to cap hell. We have seen this before. It's moves like the Clay restructure that will allow them to continue on that path. Whaley's myopic plan of win now and not winning has and will continue to have dire consequences on this franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 (edited) It makes TOTAL sense. Dead money goes from 6M,4M and 2M TO 19.5M, 13.5M, 9M and 4.5M. The risk involved with the restructure from 2017 onward has very serious ramifications. No, it doesn't. And those numbers are wrong. The way the contract was previously structured Clay got a guaranteed roster bonus of $10M in March. The restructure converts that to a $10M signing bonus that will be spread out over 4 years. That's it. The dead money goes up in future years because they aren't taking the whole hit this year - but it doesn't go up to the numbers you state. Edited February 26, 2016 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 Every team knows how to maneuver the cap. Happens every year that the media is like "ermagerd this team has no rooooom" and then they magically sign who they want because they employee people who can work the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted February 26, 2016 Share Posted February 26, 2016 No, it doesn't. And those numbers are wrong. The way the contract was previously structured Clay got a guaranteed roster bonus of $10M in March. The restructure converts that to a $10M signing bonus that will be spread out over 4 years. That's it. The dead money goes up in future years because they aren't taking the whole hit this year - but it doesn't go up to the numbers you state. This link will describe it all in detail to you. Post restructure it is $9mill per year and 19.5M, 13.5M, 9M and 4.5M respectively in dead money. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/bills-news-notes/2015/3/24/8284785/charles-clay-contract-buffalo-bills-details-cap-hits-future-restructure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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