C.Biscuit97 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 People really need to move on from the Spikes' talk. His snaps have been on a steady decline every year of his career. He is a liability because a qb will audible to a pass when he is on the field. Last year, the problem wasn't talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 I think we have some LB with potential stashed on the depth chart. LB is probably one of Whaley's best areas for talent evaluation, and judging by his track record he likes to follow the Steelers "Linebacker U" system where possible - draft a mid-round player, have him play ST and learn, bring him in his 2nd to 3rd year. The thing is, I do have a sense of skepticism as to whether "any decent LB who can play well" will anchor Rex's complex D. I think for it to function optimally, he needs at least one and maybe two superbly talented LB. Yolo, the way I understand it to work, and please correct me if I'm mistaken, is that the coaches and GMs get together after the season ends and grade/value guys. So Whaley doesn't independently value guys, or shouldn't - the value he put on Spikes reflected Rex and Rex's staff opinion of Spikes value. So in a sense, Rex *did* dump Spikes, or have a hand in dumping Spikes, by putting a specific value on him, and by (apparently) not pushing to bring in someone who might directly replace him. I believe Rex thought Preston Brown might develop to be his next David Harris/Ray Lewis type. I thought PB played well in 2014 but last year showed he was over his head in Rex' system at MLB i hope you are correct, as Yolo mentioned Rex was quite adamant in regard to Powell. Who is a vet out All last year. Reddick. Tarpley. Where is this depth ? i am surely not arguing insomuch as wondering People really need to move on from the Spikes' talk. His snaps have been on a steady decline every year of his career. He is a liability because a qb will audible to a pass when he is on the field. Last year, the problem wasn't talent. Buusheeet. he was awesome at calling out the Offense. so what if he was not a sideline to sideline guy. he had great anticipation and always seemed to know the play. And he was a leader. so no i will not stop. I for sure realize he ain't comin back but hell, he played well for us. That was a mistake from the outside looking in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 i hope you are correct, as Yolo mentioned Rex was quite adamant in regard to Powell. Who is a vet out All last year. Reddick. Tarpley. Where is this depth ? i am surely not arguing insomuch as wondering Buusheeet. he was awesome at calling out the Offense. so what if he was not a sideline to sideline guy. he had great anticipation and always seemed to know the play. And he was a leader. so no i will not stop. I for sure realize he ain't comin back but hell, he played well for us. That was a mistake from the outside looking in. He played less than 50% of snaps. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/bills-news-notes/2014/12/29/7463105/2014-buffalo-bills-defense-review-snap-counts-play-time-percent-stats He played behind 3 all pros on the defensive line. Who won't have success in that situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) and when did Powell go down?training camp, after Spikes had already signed with NE then got busted for the DUI/hit and run. Edited February 23, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted February 23, 2016 Share Posted February 23, 2016 oh. He played less than 50% of snaps. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/bills-news-notes/2014/12/29/7463105/2014-buffalo-bills-defense-review-snap-counts-play-time-percent-statsHe played behind 3 all pros on the defensive line. Who won't have success in that situation? and what line would not have success with a MLB who would clean up anything between the hashes. I did watch the man play btw. Not as bad as some made him out to be with game speed because he was moving before the snap mostly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 @wingoz Filed to ESPN: Free agent Chris Long will visit and workout for The Patriots on Monday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 @wingoz Filed to ESPN: Free agent Chris Long will visit and workout for The Patriots on Monday dammit. We need to get him. The guy likely makes the pro bowl for the Pats***** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 dammit. We need to get him. The guy likely makes the pro bowl for the Pats***** He stunk the last two seasons. It's no guarantee he turns it around, Pats or no Pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 not a similar scheme but he is very smart and has MLB mentality/leadership. Something we missed last year. Also wouldn't hurt that we play NFC west last year. True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 He stunk the last two seasons. It's no guarantee he turns it around, Pats or no Pats. Age and injuries have taken their toll. As a rotational guy might do well for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 I don't think he did? Whaley said they wanted to re-sign Spikes, who was a FA. However the value he had placed on him to what they believed was a 2 down LB didn't match with the value spikes had on himself. They couldn't come to an agreement on money and Whaley wouldn't budge. He ended up signing with NE, but then got the DUI/hit and run and was cut before TC even started. He faces a 6 game suspension I believe at the point he signs with anyone, if he ever does. IMO it isn't that they didn't want him, they just didn't think he was worth what he thought he was worth for the number of snaps he'd be playing. He didn't even play that many snaps for Schwartz. Difference with JL there is, though he may now be viewed in a similar way, he did play 97% of defensive snaps for Rams in his career. Is his sitting considered time served on the suspension front though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 He played less than 50% of snaps. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/bills-news-notes/2014/12/29/7463105/2014-buffalo-bills-defense-review-snap-counts-play-time-percent-stats He played behind 3 all pros on the defensive line. Who won't have success in that situation? Ha HA! Answer: Obviously all the other Bills LBs in 2015. The same 3 all pros were still there in 2015. Kyle was out some games, but in 2014 there were also times when the Dline had players out during course of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Ha HA! Answer: Obviously all the other Bills LBs in 2015. The same 3 all pros were still there in 2015. Kyle was out some games, but in 2014 there were also times when the Dline had players out during course of the season. kyle missed one game and Dareus missed one game in 2014. We know what happened when Dareus was out. I don't remember the game that Kyle missed, it might have been the meaningless one at the end of the year. Mario and Hughes both missed zero games. Hughes even played with an injured wrist in 2015, he probably could have missed time but didn't. Either way, 2014 and 2015 were very different on the injury/suspension front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsmovinup Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 Ralph is cheap! Yea. I heard he doesn't tip anyone these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 @wingoz Filed to ESPN: Free agent Chris Long will visit and workout for The Patriots on Monday ANOTHER WHITE GUY !!! We better not cut Kyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 He played less than 50% of snaps. http://www.buffalorumblings.com/bills-news-notes/2014/12/29/7463105/2014-buffalo-bills-defense-review-snap-counts-play-time-percent-stats He played behind 3 all pros on the defensive line. Who won't have success in that situation? Bradham, Brown, Tarpley, and IK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 ANOTHER WHITE GUY !!! We better not cut Kyle.i heard Chris Long has a high football IQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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