mead107 Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 I want them to win O games next year. it will give me better choice of club seats the following year.
billsfan_34 Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 On 2/16/2016 at 5:56 PM, The Big Cat said: Oh, and also, if Bell had stayed healthy, OP's argument goes right out the window since they probably wouldn't have needed the Bills win to eek in since the offense would have run through him. Also, they won three games with their starting QB on the sidelines...so... Which games and how did his 'ineptness' result in a loss? Not getting roped into your bafoonery I know all game. Carry on.
Mr. WEO Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 On 2/16/2016 at 6:20 PM, The Big Cat said: It also had some serious stinkers that ultimately cost the team a victory: NYG, PHI and the second half of KC come to mind. Lest we forget that before TT pulled one from where the sun don't shine, the offense had accumulated 57 total yards through more than 2 and a half quarters against Tennessee. I know everyone wants to burn RR at the stake and all, but the offense sure did their part to put a damper on things with their 31st ranked three and out percentage. Actually their 3rd down conversion rate (38%) was tied for 9th (48% was tops), but who cares? The Bills offense was not the problem--#12 in PPG. On 2/16/2016 at 6:23 PM, The Big Cat said: And while he surely does, he hasn't exactly had the QB bullpen to be anything else (to Yolo's point) QB was just fine in his first year as starter. What bullpen were we missing?
John from Riverside Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 On 2/16/2016 at 6:19 PM, vegas55 said: Wow "we weren't ground and pound" "yea we ran the ball a lot" - The Bills ran the ball more than anybody in the NFL. Ground and pound doesn't mean you run the ball on every play, nor does it have anything to do with the type of passes you throw. You do shorten the game, and you do keep the score close, regardless of how well you are playing. Sure if the D is fantastic that day and you get lots of turnovers you will roll some teams. Count on that happening every week and see so far that gets you. Or has gotten you. And just as I predicted not one response to ignoring a decades worth of rule changes favoring the passing game. Maybe, just maybe if they pass a rule where you are not allowed to tackle a receiver after he catches the ball, then it might spur some to examine the wisdom of emphasizing the run game in an era where everything favors the pass. The rule changes are a good point Do you think it is also important that since opposing defenses are setting up their teams to stop pass due to the rule changes......and a dominant ground game might be something they would be less apt to be prepared for? Lets start by getting this D better to give the O more opportunities with the ball
The Big Cat Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 On 2/16/2016 at 6:33 PM, Mr. WEO said: Actually their 3rd down conversion rate (38%) was tied for 9th (48% was tops), but who cares? The Bills offense was not the problem--#12 in PPG. QB was just fine in his first year as starter. What bullpen were we missing? Nobody's talking about conversion rate.
Mr. WEO Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 On 2/16/2016 at 6:39 PM, The Big Cat said: Nobody's talking about conversion rate. Why did you pick your stat?
FireChan Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 On 2/16/2016 at 6:41 PM, Mr. WEO said: Why did you pick your stat? Offense needs to be a historic unit for the defense to survive.
The Big Cat Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 On 2/16/2016 at 6:44 PM, FireChan said: Offense needs to be a historic unit for the defense to survive. Or not have three and outs at a higher rate than every team but the one bad enough to earn the first overall pick.
FireChan Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 (edited) On 2/16/2016 at 6:48 PM, The Big Cat said: Or not have three and outs at a higher rate than every team but the one bad enough to earn the first overall pick. How did their PPG compare to every other team? Or YPG? Or general third down conversion rate? Or YPP? Or TO differential? Or TOP? But yeah, pick the one below average stat. That's the reason. Edited February 16, 2016 by FireChan
The Big Cat Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 On 2/16/2016 at 6:52 PM, FireChan said: How did their PPG compare to every other team? Or YPG? Or general third down conversion rate? Or YPP? Or TO differential? Or TOP? But yeah, pick the one below average stat. That's the reason. Whatever you say.
Mr. WEO Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 On 2/16/2016 at 6:58 PM, The Big Cat said: Whatever you say. Well argued...
The Big Cat Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 On 2/16/2016 at 7:03 PM, Mr. WEO said: Well argued... Thanks
Tenhigh Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 On 2/16/2016 at 5:34 PM, billsfan_34 said: Rex made more coaching blunders than I can count- we lost at least 3 games because of his ineptness. Hated the hire still hate the hire and will always hate the hire- he sucks as a HC. This I don't get, seems like hate for hate's sake. What if they have a deep playoff run next year?
Jauronimo Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 On 2/16/2016 at 6:32 PM, billsfan_34 said: Not getting roped into your bafoonery I know all game. Carry on. It is probably wise to steer clear of BigCat's "bafoonery" seeing as your own is giving you all you can handle.
Big Turk Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 On 2/16/2016 at 6:19 PM, vegas55 said: Wow "we weren't ground and pound" "yea we ran the ball a lot" - The Bills ran the ball more than anybody in the NFL. Ground and pound doesn't mean you run the ball on every play, nor does it have anything to do with the type of passes you throw. You do shorten the game, and you do keep the score close, regardless of how well you are playing. Sure if the D is fantastic that day and you get lots of turnovers you will roll some teams. Count on that happening every week and see so far that gets you. Or has gotten you. And just as I predicted not one response to ignoring a decades worth of rule changes favoring the passing game. Maybe, just maybe if they pass a rule where you are not allowed to tackle a receiver after he catches the ball, then it might spur some to examine the wisdom of emphasizing the run game in an era where everything favors the pass. I think you are going to change your mind regarding "close " games next year. If the D would have played anywhere near their capability they would have had sizable leads in many more games than they did. That being said they opened up some pretty decent sized leads in several games...
Tenhigh Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 On 2/16/2016 at 6:41 PM, Mr. WEO said: Why did you pick your stat? On 2/16/2016 at 6:52 PM, FireChan said: How did their PPG compare to every other team? Or YPG? Or general third down conversion rate? Or YPP? Or TO differential? Or TOP? But yeah, pick the one below average stat. That's the reason. PPG is a great stat, but 3 and out is a much better stat than 3rd down conversion to measure efficacy of an offense. 3 and out means you did NOTHING.
Maury Ballstein Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 What kinda buffoon can't spell buffoon ?
The Big Cat Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 On 2/16/2016 at 7:36 PM, Tenhigh said: PPG is a great stat, but 3 and out is a much better stat than 3rd down conversion to measure efficacy of an offense. 3 and out means you did NOTHING. Thank you. By why this is needed to be said, I'll never know.
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 (edited) Ground and pound is the philosophy both Roman and Ryan have separately used for their entire careers. Roman is a virtual genius of a run game coordinator with less creativity and variation in his passing game than on the ground. The above is not even debatable.This is why these two coaches see eye to eye and were so enthused to team up. They share and have always shared the same philosophy to win a football game.The Bills burned enormous resources acquiring Sammy Watkins and Charles Clay, both moves I applaud.Antonio Brown's targets this year doubled that of Watkins. Brown's teammate Martavis Bryant also saw more targets per game than did Watkins. Clay signed for just under 40 million total and produced 40 yards per game. Both players were criminally under used in this offense.The Bills were 31st in passing attempts and 28th in yards, despite tying for 6th in yards per pass play and doing well to limit turnovers.Again, 6th in yards per pass. 28th in yards, 31st in attempts.If you think these coaches are itching to divert from their career long trend, I truly regret to inform you you're flat out deluding yourself. Edited February 16, 2016 by Aaron
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 On 2/16/2016 at 6:48 PM, The Big Cat said: Or not have three and outs at a higher rate than every team but the one bad enough to earn the first overall pick. Unfortunately the trend sort of breaks when you look at who was #30... Hint: Lombardi trophy
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