YoloinOhio Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) Henderson was a Rex Ryan guy before he was a Marrone guy they worked together on that Baltimore staff. If the source really is Donnie Henderson and the relationship has soured that fast it actually makes me more inclined to believe it because a year ago he and Rex were friends and colleagues who shared a mutual respect. I don't know the story with Donnie. The official line is he wanted to be a co-ordinator again and was seeking opportunities but if he has really lost faith in Rex Ryan then it says a LOT about how disjointed last year was. interstingly, still hasn't been hired by anyone. Surprising IMO. Edited February 15, 2016 by YoloinOhio
GunnerBill Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 interstingly, still hasn't been hired by anyone. Yep. Very odd... so maybe the story is true and he genuinely wants a co-ordinator job (not sure he is going to get one any time soon) because as a DBs coach I'd hire him tomorrow.
hondo in seattle Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) Then you are a FOOL!!! I don't trust Rex Ryan as far as I could throw has fatA$$ brother!! RR is an arrogant blowhard with a proven track record as a looser. Rob maintains the twin consistency. While Schwartz was still available, I would have been strongly in favor in firing Rex, Hiring Schwartz as HC bringing back his defense, and keeping Roman as OC. The biggest mistake was hiring Ryan to begin with....A close second was keeping him on for 2016. Do you really need to call a fellow Bills fan a "FOOL" because he has a different opinion than you? I personally consider the Bills Nation a band of brothers held together by bonds of friendship forged by years of shared hopes and disappointments. A differing opinion doesn't matter much among friends, especially since none of us are decision makers at OBD anyway. Edited February 15, 2016 by hondo in seattle
Malazan Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 The article has some good information and I anxiously await next season's excuses from Rex, but I don't understand why only former Schwartz coaches were interviewed.
Nihilarian Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 Maybe Pete Carroll gets whacked if they do bad. That will NEVER happen. Carroll can draft a guy in the fifth round because he fits his prototype of size and speed and then coaches them up to fit his defense. Richard Sherman, Kam Chancellor say hello. If the talent isn't already there in the player Rex Ryan can't coach up anything or anyone. First round picks Quinten Couples, Dee Milner say hello. Oh wait, his proclivity for feet will say it was all the GM's fault
dave mcbride Posted February 15, 2016 Author Posted February 15, 2016 Haven't gone through the full thread, but I don't think it's deeply reported. The only new piece of information is the off the record account from a former Marrone defensive assistant, who's very likely Henderson. But he really didn't say anything that hasn't been brought up over the year. Carucci also sloths off the fact that Schwartz's defenses have a very spotty record year after year. Finally, Vic is being disingenuous with his claim that Schwartz was given the run around by quoting a high ranking Bills source from January 2015. The story would have been much more powerful if the same front office source would have repeated the claim in January 2016. Not just Henderson (allegedly). Also a "high ranking" Bills official -- who wrote something directly (and presumably) to a BN reporter (Vic?)) --as well as Keith Bullock and Jim Washburn. They added good context, which I liked. As for you supposition about Henderson, it makes sense. Check out this passage: '“It’s hard not to take offense when Rex gets up and says last year’s defense wasn’t good enough. ‘We’re going to be No. 1, I guarantee it!’ ” the former Bills defensive assistant said. “We went from top five in just about every category to bottom 10 in just about every category with pretty much the same team, and a better player” in rookie cornerback Ronald Darby.' Who would know enough about how good Darby is relative to what he replaced (Leodis/Graham, both of whom are at least decent) to opine that way? And who would know enough to be able to compare how the two defenses were run? Only Henderson.
Saxum Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 john and yoko should stick to poisoning the planet, and hire a football man to run their team john and yoki? Some racial joke? Henderson was a Rex Ryan guy before he was a Marrone guy they worked together on that Baltimore staff. If the source really is Donnie Henderson and the relationship has soured that fast it actually makes me more inclined to believe it because a year ago he and Rex were friends and colleagues who shared a mutual respect. I don't know the story with Donnie. The official line is he wanted to be a co-ordinator again and was seeking opportunities but if he has really lost faith in Rex Ryan then it says a LOT about how disjointed last year was. It appears that Henderson was blamed for some of the communication issues which is why he was let go; no one complained about his ability to teach.
GG Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 Not just Henderson (allegedly). Also a "high ranking" Bills official -- who wrote something directly (and presumably) to a BN reporter (Vic?)) --as well as Keith Bullock and Jim Washburn. They added good context, which I liked. As for you supposition about Henderson, it makes sense. Check out this passage: '“It’s hard not to take offense when Rex gets up and says last year’s defense wasn’t good enough. ‘We’re going to be No. 1, I guarantee it!’ ” the former Bills defensive assistant said. “We went from top five in just about every category to bottom 10 in just about every category with pretty much the same team, and a better player” in rookie cornerback Ronald Darby.' Who would know enough about how good Darby is relative to what he replaced (Leodis/Graham, both of whom are at least decent) to opine that way? And who would know enough to be able to compare how the two defenses were run? Only Henderson. I'll jump on the pile that Vic is mailing it in more often than not. He thinks the Internet doesn't exist for fact checks. A bit dishonest to preset this as new news, wouldn't you say?
dave mcbride Posted February 15, 2016 Author Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) I'll jump on the pile that Vic is mailing it in more often than not. He thinks the Internet doesn't exist for fact checks. A bit dishonest to preset this as new news, wouldn't you say? Ha! A "Buffalo News reporter" indeed. Still, despite all of that, there was some good stuff in the piece, and if it was in fact Henderson who said that stuff, that's a good get. Who knows about Vic. Maybe the 12 years working for Goodell's propaganda machine (nfl.com) twisted his mind. And covering the Browns for four years will make anyone assume the worst about pretty much anything. Edited February 15, 2016 by dave mcbride
YoloinOhio Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) It actually sounds like it could have been Fred Pagac. He's not one to mince words. Henderson likely doesn't want to chance burning any bridges as he will want Rex's recommendation, being as he's unemployed and all. And I think it's fairly easy to see Darby is better than Leo. Also, wasn't this the same coach quoted as thinking this year's D was bottom 10 in every category? I doubt it was a coach who actually took part in this season as he would actually know what the stats were.. and I doubt Henderson would say that, as he's in the process of trying to get a DC job and at the very least would not say the secondary was ranked low. Edited February 15, 2016 by YoloinOhio
hondo in seattle Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) john and yoki? Some racial joke? It appears that Henderson was blamed for some of the communication issues which is why he was let go; no one complained about his ability to teach. During the same press conference that Rex announced the hiring of his brother, he also said this: “Because we’ve got to be like this [Fingers interlocked]. For us to be at our best, we have to be like this. I think some of the moves I’ve made will allow me to bring it even closer." Any chance this comment has something to do with Donnie Hendersen? Maybe going a little rogue as a coach and not wholeheartedly supporting the Rex program? http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/ryan-reasserts-control-of-bills-20160123 Edited February 15, 2016 by hondo in seattle
The Big Cat Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) I can't understand why Vic's article has summoned now-123 responses. It tells us virtually nothing we didn't already know, and like many of his since-debunked gotcha moments, it comes entirely from anonymous sources. CONCLUSION: people who signed up for this website will cling to any/all variables to justify their wanton desire for Rex Ryan to be thought of as a failure. That's nice. Edited February 15, 2016 by The Big Cat
Malazan Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 I can't understand why Vic's article has summoned now-123 responses. It tells us virtually nothing we didn't already know, and like many of his since-debunked gotcha moments, it comes entirely from anonymous sources. CONCLUSION: people who signed up for this website will cling to any/all variables to justify their wanton desire for Rex Ryan to be thought of as a failure. That's nice. I firmly believe Rex will end up as a failure here, but this article is ridiculous.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 john and yoko should stick to poisoning the planet, and hire a football man to run their team You're usually quite funny This one, Hmmmm, not so much
YoloinOhio Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) During the same press conference that Rex announced the hiring of his brother, he also said this: Because weve got to be like this [Fingers interlocked]. For us to be at our best, we have to be like this. I think some of the moves Ive made will allow me to bring it even closer." Any chance this comment has something to do with Donnie Hendersen? Maybe going a little rogue as a coach and not wholeheartedly supporting the Rex program? http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/ryan-reasserts-control-of-bills-20160123 sal Capaccio said something about Henderson and Thurman possibly having different philosophies in the secondary (and Thurman came up through the ranks as a DB coach). I don't know if he was just spitballing or if he has actual info on that. He said it a few different times. Since the Bills indicated Thurman and Reed would be working closely with the DBs, I'm guessing it might have some truth to it. Edited February 15, 2016 by YoloinOhio
yungmack Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 I firmly believe Rex will end up as a failure here, but this article is ridiculous. Whatcha mean "will;" he already is.
GunnerBill Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 I can't understand why Vic's article has summoned now-123 responses. It tells us virtually nothing we didn't already know, and like many of his since-debunked gotcha moments, it comes entirely from anonymous sources. CONCLUSION: people who signed up for this website will cling to any/all variables to justify their wanton desire for Rex Ryan to be thought of as a failure. That's nice. Oh come off it Big Cat. Nobody here has a "desire" for Rex to be thought of as a failure. I want nothing more than all my worst fears about Rex Ryan to be completely obliterated in 2016. ALL and I really mean ALL I care about when it comes to the Bills is this team becoming a winner again in the way that the fans of this club deserve. I want us to win so badly that even after expressing my doubts when he was hired I was "all in" last offseason. I am commenting purely on the product that was put on the field this past season and I have to tell you it wasn't good in my eyes. Do I wish it was different? Sure. Hell after 3 games I thought we were a certain play-off team - yeah we had lost to New England but who doesn't and we had battered the Colts and the Dolphins. Sadly those two teams were worse than expected and as a result gave us (or me at least) false hope. I have watched this team for 13 years. I have seen us have 2 winning seasons... as was pointed out in a recent thread I don't even have the glory days some of you guys do to fall back on. I want the Bills to win so badly. Any criticism I make of Rex Ryan, or anyone else in the organisation from Terry Pegula to the last guy on the practice squad is based purely on what I see and feel and not on any "desire" for people to be thought of in one way or another.
Peter Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 I can't understand why Vic's article has summoned now-123 responses. It tells us virtually nothing we didn't already know, and like many of his since-debunked gotcha moments, it comes entirely from anonymous sources. CONCLUSION: people who signed up for this website will cling to any/all variables to justify their wanton desire for Rex Ryan to be thought of as a failure. That's nice. I agree.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 Again, Vic's sources are suspect, to put it kindly. I think his primary source is Mr. khaki pants (aka, the analytics department).
DanInUticaTampa Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 This is a good article. I think the problem people have with BN is that ever since the pegulas took control, a lot of the local reporters' sources became useless and have been giving just terrible info. I don't question vic as a sport writer, guy is knowledgable, great talent, and knows the franchise well. but his sources are making him look like a fool. With that said, there are so many questions here. If the pegulas wanted to keep the defense in place, then why would you hire a defensive coach with an opposing philosphy? wouldn't it make more sense to hire a HC with an offensive mindset or make swartz HC and have him hire his own OC? I just don't think that pegulas were that dead set on keeping swartz. I think they were until they interviewed ryan. Once they fell in love with him, they felt they wouldn't need swartz. I know things don't look good, but I think the defense will turn itself around this season, even minus a mario williams if it comes to that. But even with me being optimisic and hopeful, Rex Ryan wasn't my first choice for HC. I still would have liked a hugh jackson as HC and keep swartz. Or maybe make swartz HC and have him bring in somoeone better for OC. I don't think Rex is a terrible hire, but there were better options out there. Best thing I can say for ryan is he was Tyrod's biggest advocate, and that really made the biggest difference on offense.
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