Augie Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 Except he didn't trash talk Rex. Schwartz declined to be interviewed.There seems to be some confusion, did he quit, or was he fired? If the Bills are still paying him, he was fired. I, personally, make arrangements to be fired for a 7 figure check. And yes, I'll agree to to do any name calling. Let the future results speak for themselves. Now, let's see if Schwartz can replicate what he did with us to get the sweet new deal....
K-9 Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 Except he didn't trash talk Rex. Schwartz declined to be interviewed. There seems to be some confusion, did he quit, or was he fired? If the Bills are still paying him, he was fired. They interviewed Schwartz early on in the process; sometime in the first week of January last year and before they interviewed Rex. Schwartz made it clear that he was only going to return if he was hired for the job. Again, BEFORE Rex Ryan was even in the picture. GO BILLS!!!
Doc Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 They interviewed Schwartz early on in the process; sometime in the first week of January last year and before they interviewed Rex. Schwartz made it clear that he was only going to return if he was hired for the job. Again, BEFORE Rex Ryan was even in the picture. GO BILLS!!! Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I think the "Schwartz declined to be interviewed" was in reference to the BN article. As for making it clear that he would only return if he was hired as the HC, I didn't hear that at the time, but as I mentioned above, that's what I figured.
K-9 Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I think the "Schwartz declined to be interviewed" was in reference to the BN article. As for making it clear that he would only return if he was hired as the HC, I didn't hear that at the time, but as I mentioned above, that's what I figured. Ah, I misinterpreted the context. Thanks for the clarification. GO BILLS!!!
Freddie's Dead Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but I think the "Schwartz declined to be interviewed" was in reference to the BN article. As for making it clear that he would only return if he was hired as the HC, I didn't hear that at the time, but as I mentioned above, that's what I figured. Bimbo (and fixed above). Edited February 15, 2016 by Freddie's Dead
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 Great article and a great read. Thanks for posting. I think the Rex Ryan hire was pushed on the new owners by the status quo and then they preached continuity again for this year. Yea, continuity for a classless loudmouth full of broken promises whose teams lacked discipline and didn't allow for the best use of the talent on the roster. I only hope that one day these new owners wake up and realize the only way to beat a great team, great QB in New England is to hire a great football man at the top for Buffalo. Then he will hire a great head coach who will be someone with enough football acumen to know NFL talent when he sees it. If the talent isn't already on the roster than Rex Ryan isn't going to coach up anything ie Quinton Coples. (Aaron Maybin again) In essence the Bills hired another Jauron who only knows how to run his lame, outdated scheme. Chuck Knox came into Buffalo with a winning record from the Rams and brought with him a great talent evaluator in Norm Pollom who would up as Buffalos vice president of player personnel, and he hired Bill Polian!! Another great read in this story. http://bills.buffalonews.com/2014/11/18/polians-start-with-bills-was-discreet/ This paying outrageous sums of money to free agents because you can't find the talent in the draft is clearly the wrong way to do things. 100 million to Mario didn't get the Bills in the playoffs and neither did playing similar sums to Dareus and Hughes. Three draft picks and two of them first round picks when the team doesn't have an established franchise QB on the roster to throw to him was another lame call. Then because the team lacks football acumen at the top of the flow chart they hired a bad head coach with a 4-12 record and then got exactly what they hired in a man who made the team / defense worse. This team is in dire need of another Chuck Knox who won despite having a not so good people above him. Maybe Pete Carroll gets whacked if they do bad.
BackInDaDay Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 john and yoko should stick to poisoning the planet, and hire a football man to run their team
ALF Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 ''A typical call in Ryan’s defense might go something like this: “46 Nickel Delta Weak Double Dog Trade.” The same call in Schwartz’s scheme would simply be, “Delta.” http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/02/13/bills-pairing-of-rex-ryan-jim-schwartz-never-stood-a-chance/ With so much crowd noise at the Ralph when the Bills D is trying to call complex plays at the last second, disaster The opposing offense just has to run a hurry up pace to counter a Rex D
Bad Things Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 This is a bit silly... of course Schwartz wasn't going to stick around once Rex was hired. (Too bad though... his defence was awesome.)
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) Facts are they didn't get sacks and the D regressed. Hopefully it was a fluke. No one knows what happens to a Schwartz defense without Kyle Williams and Aaron Williams. No Spikes. Then losing Bradham and Gilmore for the final quarter of the season. Schwartz has had good and bad D's. No one knows Edited February 15, 2016 by TheTruthHurts
GunnerBill Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 No one knows what happens to a Schwartz defense without Kyle Williams and Aaron Williams. No Spikes. Then losing Bradham and Gilmore for the final quarter of the season. Schwartz has had good and bad D's. No one knows Exactly. Nobody knows. The pro-Rex lobby have convinced themselves things would have got much worse under Schwartz regardless in 2015. It is pure supposition. I don't like speculation on hypotheticals that can never be proven either way.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 (edited) It is silly to think the Pegulas, Russ, Whaley, or anybody at One Bills Drive ever thought Rex/Schwartz could work. The statements made about retaining Schwartz was PR mumbo, nothing more. If it wasn't I have larger concerns about our front office and it's ability to judge situations and understand the game. Why the delay? People prioritize tasks in new roles. Letting go a coach was not a priority. It was something he had to deal with and when he had some time after his initial tasks that's exactly what he did. Kzoo, this I don't understand. In what way could a FO guy tweeting about wanting to retain Schwartz, if they actually thought/knew he was gone, be considered PR? It simply makes the FO look out of the loop or out of touch and once he's gone, like what they say can't be relied upon. If it's PR, it would fall into the class of "if it weren't for bad PR we'd have no PR at all". People do prioritize tasks in new roles, but someone who prioritizes so much ahead of a few minute phone call or visit while new people are moving into the guys office, that's classless at best. I'd call it misplaced priorities. If you're managing people, you have to show that people are important to you and follow the Golden Rule in your priorities. Edited February 15, 2016 by Hopeful
Monday Morning Warrior Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 it's fairly deeply reported too. For those who think it's a good piece (as I do), remember it the next time you think about writing that everyone at the BN sucks except for Tyler Dunne ... http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/02/13/bills-pairing-of-rex-ryan-jim-schwartz-never-stood-a-chance/ This says it all... Actually, the Bills were in the bottom 10 in four of 12 key statistical categories in 2015: third-down efficiency (23rd), yards per play (24th), rushing yards per attempt (25th), and sacks per pass play (31st). This guy has been living off some BS for years...he is NOT a HC..., Clueless, egomaniac and just not the "genius" you all say... I for one can't wait for this fiasco to run its course and to usher this jerk out of town with pitchforks and torches!! Good bye Rex!
BmarvB Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 Did anyone here really believe Ryan was going to keep Schwartz based on his coaching history? Nope. Not at all. Just didn't expect him to up the defense as badly as he did. And somehow, I have my doubts about it getting any better next year under Rex Rob and Dennis.
Dr. K Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 I agree, good piece. The most intriguing thing to me is the description of the whiplash Schwartz got - that Bills FO officials were saying "we want Schwartz to stay" whilst Rex had Dennis Thurman moving his things into Schwartz office, all without having a discussion with Schwartz, then finally telling Schwartz he was terminated. At face value, it sounds as though Rex (at best) misled the Pegulas and the Bills as to his intent for the defense then behaved like a tool to Schwartz while not communicating his intentions clearly. At worst, it sounds as though he (at least verbally) committed to leaving the D intact and retaining Schwartz, then once his contract was signed and he was in the building, reneged. Either way, that's a crap way to behave. The Pegulas should have known when they hired Rex that, no matter what he said, he would want to change the defense and that Schwartz was instantly a lame duck. Hell, that was the very first thing I thought when I heard they were thinking of hiring Rex. If the Pegulas truly thought they could hire Rex and have continuity on defense, they are incredibly naive.
GG Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 it's fairly deeply reported too. For those who think it's a good piece (as I do), remember it the next time you think about writing that everyone at the BN sucks except for Tyler Dunne ... http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/02/13/bills-pairing-of-rex-ryan-jim-schwartz-never-stood-a-chance/ Haven't gone through the full thread, but I don't think it's deeply reported. The only new piece of information is the off the record account from a former Marrone defensive assistant, who's very likely Henderson. But he really didn't say anything that hasn't been brought up over the year. Carucci also sloths off the fact that Schwartz's defenses have a very spotty record year after year. Finally, Vic is being disingenuous with his claim that Schwartz was given the run around by quoting a high ranking Bills source from January 2015. The story would have been much more powerful if the same front office source would have repeated the claim in January 2016.
Doc Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 Again, Vic's sources are suspect, to put it kindly.
John from Riverside Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 I honestly dont know....maybe Vic is right I do know this......when it comes to the D....Schwartz and Rex eqals too many roosters in the hen house.......which different D philosophies...... and as I have said repeatedly.....this was the big part of Rex I did not like.....we took a step back (several steps actually) on D because the schemes are way different and did not cater to what our team did well but I also want to see if Rex can turn it around
OP Class75 Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 By not hiring Schwartz as the head coach the owners made it clear that keeping him was secondary. So is the consensus now that Rex Ryan can't coach defense? Really? I trust Rex to fix the defense. A year ago every commentator said he knows defense but his problem is that his offenses stink. Now suddenly Rex Ryan forgot how to coach NFL defense. Then you are a FOOL!!! I don't trust Rex Ryan as far as I could throw has fatA$$ brother!! RR is an arrogant blowhard with a proven track record as a looser. Rob maintains the twin consistency. While Schwartz was still available, I would have been strongly in favor in firing Rex, Hiring Schwartz as HC bringing back his defense, and keeping Roman as OC. The biggest mistake was hiring Ryan to begin with....A close second was keeping him on for 2016.
GunnerBill Posted February 15, 2016 Posted February 15, 2016 Haven't gone through the full thread, but I don't think it's deeply reported. The only new piece of information is the off the record account from a former Marrone defensive assistant, who's very likely Henderson. Henderson was a Rex Ryan guy before he was a Marrone guy they worked together on that Baltimore staff. If the source really is Donnie Henderson and the relationship has soured that fast it actually makes me more inclined to believe it because a year ago he and Rex were friends and colleagues who shared a mutual respect. I don't know the story with Donnie. The official line is he wanted to be a co-ordinator again and was seeking opportunities but if he has really lost faith in Rex Ryan then it says a LOT about how disjointed last year was.
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