YoloinOhio Posted February 17, 2016 Author Posted February 17, 2016 Not related to Peyton, but UT football is really getting some bad press lately http://deadspin.com/sheriff-tennessee-football-player-sent-pics-of-sexual-1759578816?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow
Fingon Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 Ah, OK, I think I see where you're coming from, but you're missing that the adminstrative hearing process is one-sided in its "due process" regard. From this article: A regular Title IX hearing treats the accused and the person who reported exactly the same in terms of who gets to present evidence, question the evidence, have a lawyer present, and cross-examine witnesses. The lawsuit calls the UAPA "one-sided" and says it is a tactic used repeatedly "to delay and altogether avoid sanctions and discipline for sexual assault." The UAPA, unlike a regular Title IX hearing, "allows only accused perpetrators of sexual assaults (and not victims) to have the right to confrontation, cross-examination, and a right to an evidentiary administrative hearing." A vice-chancellor and a director of student judicial affairs have voiced concerns and resigned/been fired over concerns about this process and the UT environment. I don't know what the right or wrong of the case is, but I'm quite certain it's not as "no basis" as you think. Based upon the above, the ladies have a valid point. I wouldn't make a good any sort of attorney but that's another story. The timeline of the pattern matters, WEO. If I were trying to prove BigCompanyX had discriminatory hiring practices today or over the last 4-5 years, I wouldn't bother going back 20 years unless I could show that exactly the same people were making hiring decisions. Usually over 20 years, there's a lot of turnover, and the defense would simply point to all the changes and argue that "20 years ago today Sargent Pepper taught the band to play" is not relevant to the last 4-5 years. It weakens the case. I would need to look at and demonstrate a pattern of behavior over a relevant timeline. If many of the administrators and officials have been there for 20 years, well, that would be different then. 4-5-305. Representation. (a) Any party may participate in the hearing in person or, if the party is a corporation or other artificial person, by a duly authorized representative. (b) Whether or not participating in person, any party may be advised and represented at the party's own expense by counsel or, unless prohibited by any provision of law, other representative. (b) To the extent necessary for full disclosure of all relevant facts and issues, the administrative judge or hearing officer shall afford to all parties the opportunity to respond, present evidence and argument, conduct cross-examination, and submit rebuttal evidence, except as restricted by a limited grant of intervention or by the pre-hearing order. It took 30 seconds of googling to prove those claims wrong. http://www.tncia.org/tca-uapa.html
CountryCletus Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 I wish we could all get along! There certainly hasn't been a preponderance of evidence to support taking either side
bbb Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 This Shaun King is all class: http://awfulannouncing.com/2016/twitter-wars-jason-whitlock-vs-shaun-king.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter-wars-jason-whitlock-vs-shaun-king The original Whitlock article: http://j.school/post/139392087225/blm-nwa-prove-it-takes-1000-tweets-to-hold-us
papazoid Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 Women's group urges sponsors to suspend ties to Peyton Manning http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14793870/women-group-urges-sponsors-suspend-ties-peyton-manning
Gugny Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 I wish we could all get along! There certainly hasn't been a preponderance of evidence to support taking either side Who taught you that? Andy Dufresne?
dayman Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 Everything about this situation proves that America has completely lost its mind.
DC Tom Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 Women's group urges sponsors to suspend ties to Peyton Manning http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14793870/women-group-urges-sponsors-suspend-ties-peyton-manning Where were they when this broke 10 years ago?
Coach Tuesday Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 Where were they when this broke 10 years ago? In the bathroom working on their hair and makeup?
Gugny Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 Where were they when this broke 10 years ago? Seriously. This topic has come up on this board multiple times over the years. The Thumb tries to ride off into the sunset with the Jewish pizza guy and "lots and lots of Budweiser," and suddenly it's a hot topic.
bbb Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 Seriously. This topic has come up on this board multiple times over the years. The Thumb tries to ride off into the sunset with the Jewish pizza guy and "lots and lots of Budweiser," and suddenly it's a hot topic. It was never a racist incident before.
dayman Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 It was never a racist incident before. It was also never a discrimination incident. It was a stupid incident. But somehow nobody can tell the difference anymore.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 It took 30 seconds of googling to prove those claims wrong. http://www.tncia.org/tca-uapa.html Meanwhile, the plaintiffs and news media reporting on the case appear to feel that's how it works: "One of the plaintiffs' key arguments in their lawsuit is that UT's hearing process is unique — the only of its kind in the country — and favors the accused, who has due process rights not provided to accusers, including the right to cross examine. The university has not yet filed a response to that larger issue." As it appears to be a key point of the lawyers for the plaintiffs, perhaps they're all just too stupid for 30 seconds of googling? Or perhaps there's more to it than that?
aristocrat Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 His rep is taking a hit...he really needs to come out and apologize and get ahead of this story. The one thing that bothers me is it seems he had such an animosity towards he after. He's got twin daughters for God's sake.
bbb Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 It was also never a discrimination incident. It was a stupid incident. But somehow nobody can tell the difference anymore. Yup
K-9 Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 Seriously. This topic has come up on this board multiple times over the years. The Thumb tries to ride off into the sunset with the Jewish pizza guy and "lots and lots of Budweiser," and suddenly it's a hot topic. THE THUMB! You remembered! I mentioned that to my two younger nephews on SB Sunday and every once in a while when there was a shot of Manning on TV (and there were a ton of them), I would catch them looking at their thumbs and then looking at Manning. Thumb. Manning. Thumb. Manning. I laughed every time. GO BILLS!!!
Gugny Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 THE THUMB! You remembered! I mentioned that to my two younger nephews on SB Sunday and every once in a while when there was a shot of Manning on TV (and there were a ton of them), I would catch them looking at their thumbs and then looking at Manning. Thumb. Manning. Thumb. Manning. I laughed every time. GO BILLS!!! Will always be one of the funniest things I've read here. I've used the Thumb reference many times since then, in person, and 100% of the time, people say, "holy schit he DOES look like a thumb!"
Southern Bills Fan Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 When cam was 20 and stole a lap top we sure heard plenty about. Peyton not so much you see I don't think we heard much about Cam stealing the laptops, it was when his dad tried to extort $200,000 from Mississippi State that we heard about him.
Maury Ballstein Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 (edited) Women's group urges sponsors to suspend ties to Peyton Manning http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14793870/women-group-urges-sponsors-suspend-ties-peyton-manning Light him up ladies. Lance Armstrong 2.0. Someone catch me up here, did Manning just show her his package or did he ride her face butt to nose as some have said in the past ? I don't think we heard much about Cam stealing the laptops, it was when his dad tried to extort $200,000 from Mississippi State that we heard about him.The cam laptop story was everywhere. Edited February 18, 2016 by Ryan L Billz
xsoldier54 Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 (edited) When cam was 20 and stole a lap top we sure heard plenty about. Peyton not so much you see This incident is 20 years old. It was public knowledge for quite some time. It is not new information. It was not hidden it was in the news when it happened and also many times thereafter. So your contention that "peyton not so much" is completely wrong. No, really it wasn't. The author wanted that & I suppose you're giving him what he hoped for but I choose to focus on what I feel is the more compelling story. Well then you missed the point. The only reason this is being brought up now is because of race. It is an old story and has been public knowledge for years. The only reason it is being discussed at all right now is because of this race baiting reporter. Edited February 18, 2016 by xsoldier54
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