K D Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 in an odd scheduling quirk, it will be announced in April that the Bills play the Pats** twice in the first 3 weeks of the season Hopefully Brady's suspension is upheld too then!
Chandler#81 Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 in an odd scheduling quirk, it will be announced in April that the Bills play the Pats** twice in the first 3 weeks of the season Ha! smartazz.. In related news, though, defate-gate still hasn't gone away. The League appeal was set to be after this season and Brady Hernandez is still in the League's crosshairs. Maybe we can hope for a Draw -Brady & Shady MIA.
YoloinOhio Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 Ha! smartazz.. In related news, though, defate-gate still hasn't gone away. The League appeal was set to be after this season and Brady Hernandez is still in the League's crosshairs. Maybe we can hope for a Draw -Brady & Shady MIA. I'll take it
Doc Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 The new TMZ video is the smoking gun. The other one was grainy and bad resolution. In the TMZ one you can clearly see Shady throwing a punch at someone that appears to be on the ground. He's not getting away with this one. The TMZ video is incriminating. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out. I'm absolutely embarrassed this guy is on our team. He looks like an ignorant a-hole saying Chip is a racist and now this. No wonder Chip got rid of him. Way to prove him right. At this point I wouldn't care if we cut him and drafted Elliot from Ohio state. He will be cheaper, less injury prone, and probably more productive. Then we have Karlos and Gillislee too Please.
The Big Cat Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 typical self-flagellating bills fans to assume a suspension for this is a foregone conclusion.
starrymessenger Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 Maybe the fact that two of Philly's finest were involved in the altercation works in McCoy's favour. Unless the evidence shows that the players were the clear aggressors and the cops just defending themselves the fact that the athletes were the better street fighters maybe accounts by itself for the result. If its really a case where both the cops and the players were equally at fault the police and the DA might have to charge everyone involved or face the argument that they were taking sides and using the criminal justice system to selectively punish only the non law enforcement participants. They may not be above doing that in a low profile situation but this one attracts national attention and they may be wary of the spotlight. Or maybe they go ahead and charge everyone with something but with the players having the more onerous charges. Maybe the two cops decide (or are encouraged) to not press charges. Boys will be boys, especially bad boys.
dave mcbride Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 Maybe the fact that two of Philly's finest were involved in the altercation works in McCoy's favour. Unless the evidence shows that the players were the clear aggressors and the cops just defending themselves the fact that the athletes were the better street fighters maybe accounts by itself for the result. If its really a case where both the cops and the players were equally at fault the police and the DA might have to charge everyone involved or face the argument that they were taking sides and using the criminal justice system to selectively punish only the non law enforcement participants. They may not be above doing that in a low profile situation but this one attracts national attention and they may be wary of the spotlight. Or maybe they go ahead and charge everyone with something but with the players having the more onerous charges. Maybe the two cops decide (or are encouraged) to not press charges. Boys will be boys, especially bad boys. The problem here is that the cops got the crap kicked out of them and suffered actual injuries that require insurance payments.
Mr. WEO Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 The most epic police report line ever... "We believe the man in the red boxers who gets pulled into the ice bucket is LeSean McCoy."
YoloinOhio Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 typical self-flagellating bills fans to assume a suspension for this is a foregone conclusion.Couple incidences of semi-precedent @rquinn619 Joey Porter was fined 3 gm checks for a 4 on 1 fight vs Levi Jones at a casino obv McCoy dif scenario w/ cops. So it's a worse look for McCoy, but 4 game suspension doesn't seem too likely for a bar fight Vince Young wasn't suspended for his strip club fight either. Of course, all this happened before recent violence issues in NFL
The Big Cat Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 Couple incidences of semi-precedent @rquinn619 Joey Porter was fined 3 gm checks for a 4 on 1 fight vs Levi Jones at a casino obv McCoy dif scenario w/ cops. So it's a worse look for McCoy, but 4 game suspension doesn't seem too likely for a bar fight Vince Young wasn't suspended for his strip club fight either. Of course, all this happened before recent violence issues in NFL right further proof that treating it like a foregone conclusion is dumb although i hear you on the most violent american team sport wanting to snuff any/all image of violence elsewhere
dave mcbride Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 typical self-flagellating bills fans to assume a suspension for this is a foregone conclusion. It's not self-flagellating to assume that a suspension is a foregone conclusion (which it likely is, actually). A cop who won officer of the month and saved people from a burning building ends up hospitalized after a beatdown. We all know how this ends.
Mr. WEO Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 typical self-flagellating bills fans to assume a suspension for this is a foregone conclusion. Yeah, because...........something
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 right, i don't see anything incriminating in those screen shots. the tmz video, on the other hand, he definitely throws A punch. Maybe? The guy that they flag with a "ching" throws a punch. He looks too, ehrm, heavy set in the waist and bottom to be McCoy? The guy's face you can see over the man in brown's shoulder is def. McCoy. The police (per TMZ) assert the guy who gets pulled back into the ice bucket is McCoy - but is that the same guy who throws a punch? Expert witness, frame by frame time. It's clear McCoy isn't standing back from the action. I don't agree with you that because the victims took themselves to the hospital that it changed the dynamics of this case. This is going to be a witness driven case. If the victims' claims match the employee and patron witnesses claims then it is a solid case. I think you are over-thinking this case. It should be noted that if a victim instigated the situation that doesn't give the aggrieved party the right to stomp the living daylights out of him. If a neighbor yells at your kid you don't have the right to take a sledge hammer and hit him in the head. A proportional response is very relevant in this case. Very often in a bar brawl no one is totally right but that doesn't mean one isn't more wrong. Let's allow the process to run its course. It should become very evident what happened when the facts come out. OK, that's cool. We can agree to disagree. Let me just ask you this: what if the victim's claims don't match the employee testimony and patron witnesses tell different accounts? What are the facts then? I think you don't understand how memory works and how unreliable eyewitness testimony has been found to be. What people believe they saw is not necessarily a fact. It is influenced by many things. If you're interested in learning something, here for a start. No one I've seen is arguing that the aggrieved party has the right to "stomp the living daylights" or that one party isn't more wrong. I don't see what your point is with that.
YoloinOhio Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 (edited) There were three players involved and 3 cops. Two cops got hurt. Shady threw a punch. Don't know which one he punched. Don't know what injury he caused. Don't know what damage the other players did. Edited February 9, 2016 by YoloinOhio
Alphadawg7 Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 I don't know the whole story here...but my initial thoughts are: 1. Do we know who started the fight? If the cops started the fight, then I am not sure how Shady and Co. are facing this or that as wouldn't it be self defense? Self Defense doesn't require you to get your butt kicked, so just because they won the fight doesn't mean it wasnt self defense. 2. Do we know yet if Shady was directly involved with any of the damage that created the injuries? If the majority of the fight was the others and Shady jumped in to help or played a minor role, then I don't know that he will be in as much trouble as speculated. I have no idea if any of those 2 points above are known yet, haven't had time to catch up with the story. So just asking for my knowledge so I don't have to surf a 30+ page thread for time reasons. Also, as some pointed out in the more recent posts, worst case scenario, our run game is in good shape with or without Shady next year for either part of the season or if the Bills felt they needed to cut him after all this plays out. Obviously, Shady would be great to have out there, but losing him doesn't make or break us as we have a pretty darn good stable of RB's even as we sit now before factoring in FA/Draft additions in the event we moved on from Shady.
dave mcbride Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 Maybe? The guy that they flag with a "ching" throws a punch. He looks too, ehrm, heavy set in the waist and bottom to be McCoy? The guy's face you can see over the man in brown's shoulder is def. McCoy. The police (per TMZ) assert the guy who gets pulled back into the ice bucket is McCoy - but is that the same guy who throws a punch? Expert witness, frame by frame time. It's clear McCoy isn't standing back from the action. OK, that's cool. We can agree to disagree. Let me just ask you this: what if the victim's claims don't match the employee testimony and patron witnesses tell different accounts? What are the facts then? I think you don't understand how memory works and how unreliable eyewitness testimony has been found to be. What people believe they saw is not necessarily a fact. It is influenced by many things. If you're interested in learning something, here for a start. No one I've seen is arguing that the aggrieved party has the right to "stomp the living daylights" or that one party isn't more wrong. I don't see what your point is with that. There's also the civil case issue, which is an entirely different animal. The fact that insurance claims will be made isn't good for Shady.
John from Riverside Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 There were three players involved and 3 cops. Two cops got hurt. Shady threw a punch. Don't know which one he punched. Don't know what injury he caused. Don't know what damage the other players did. I dont know.....but somehow someway I was really hoping that video was going to show Shady hiding under the jukebox
FireChan Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 I don't know the whole story here...but my initial thoughts are: 1. Do we know who started the fight? If the cops started the fight, then I am not sure how Shady and Co. are facing this or that as wouldn't it be self defense? Self Defense doesn't require you to get your butt kicked, so just because they won the fight doesn't mean it wasnt self defense. 2. Do we know yet if Shady was directly involved with any of the damage that created the injuries? If the majority of the fight was the others and Shady jumped in to help or played a minor role, then I don't know that he will be in as much trouble as speculated. I have no idea if any of those 2 points above are known yet, haven't had time to catch up with the story. So just asking for my knowledge so I don't have to surf a 30+ page thread for time reasons. Also, as some pointed out in the more recent posts, worst case scenario, our run game is in good shape with or without Shady next year for either part of the season or if the Bills felt they needed to cut him after all this plays out. Obviously, Shady would be great to have out there, but losing him doesn't make or break us as we have a pretty darn good stable of RB's even as we sit now before factoring in FA/Draft additions in the event we moved on from Shady. 1. No. 2. Pretty sure if you throw a punch, it's still assault.
thebandit27 Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 I'm going to guess he gets 3 games. That video makes it clear that he wasn't an innocent bystander, and he wasn't the most egregious offender (the champagne bottle swinger).
Mr. WEO Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 I don't know the whole story here...but my initial thoughts are: 1. Do we know who started the fight? If the cops started the fight, then I am not sure how Shady and Co. are facing this or that as wouldn't it be self defense? Self Defense doesn't require you to get your butt kicked, so just because they won the fight doesn't mean it wasnt self defense. 2. Do we know yet if Shady was directly involved with any of the damage that created the injuries? If the majority of the fight was the others and Shady jumped in to help or played a minor role, then I don't know that he will be in as much trouble as speculated. I have no idea if any of those 2 points above are known yet, haven't had time to catch up with the story. So just asking for my knowledge so I don't have to surf a 30+ page thread for time reasons. Also, as some pointed out in the more recent posts, worst case scenario, our run game is in good shape with or without Shady next year for either part of the season or if the Bills felt they needed to cut him after all this plays out. Obviously, Shady would be great to have out there, but losing him doesn't make or break us as we have a pretty darn good stable of RB's even as we sit now before factoring in FA/Draft additions in the event we moved on from Shady. Not sure it matters re: question 1. Once you have a guy on the ground and you are gang stomping him, it doesn't matter why they were fighting. Question 2: it doesn't matter if he dealt the skull cracking hit.
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