H2o Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 So No suspension right ? We'll see what Adolph Goodell has to say about that. I'll tell you what though, without any charges or prior offenses, he better not have the audacity to try to pull some bs here.
26CornerBlitz Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 We'll see what Adolph Goodell has to say about that. I'll tell you what though, without any charges or prior offenses, he better not have the audacity to try to pull some bs here. Damn!
Mr. WEO Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 The DA didn't see it that way. Why would the league? No, he won't be suspended. Rog doesn't need more egg on his face. You didn't read what the DA said, not you should have to. It's obvious as he says that could not bring a case that he could prove beyond reasonable doubt. As you know, the NFL doesn't have that level of proof needed to suspend--in fact they have no such standard at all....except conduct detrimental. As others have pointed out, Big Ben went down hard for a crime he was never charged with, so I'm not sure why you asked that question.
H2o Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 You didn't read what the DA said, not you should have to. It's obvious as he says that could not bring a case that he could prove beyond reasonable doubt. As you know, the NFL doesn't have that level of proof needed to suspend--in fact they have no such standard at all....except conduct detrimental. As others have pointed out, Big Ben went down hard for a crime he was never charged with, so I'm not sure why you asked that question. Rape and supposedly throwing a couple blows are two COMPLETELY different situations.
Mr. WEO Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 (edited) Rape and supposedly throwing a couple blows are two COMPLETELY different situations. Yes, but that;s not what's being discussed. The DA didn't charge because he wouldn't have the cooperation of the accuser. Because the Philly DA didn't charge doesn't mean there was no assault, so...not completely different situations. "Ocmulgee Judicial Circuit District Attorney Fredric D. Bright said he would not pursue charges against Mr. Roethlisberger because the allegation, made by a 20-year-old woman after a night of drinking with the quarterback, "cannot be proven beyond a reasonable doubt." Sound familiar? No charges filed still resulted in suspension so there is precedent. Edited April 5, 2016 by Mr. WEO
YoloinOhio Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 Rape and supposedly throwing a couple blows are two COMPLETELY different situations.Ben was also accused of rape not once, but twice before he was suspended.
26CornerBlitz Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 (edited) Yes, but that;s not what's being discussed. The DA didn't charge because he wouldn't have the cooperation of the accuser. Because the Philly DA didn't charge doesn't mean there was no assault, so...not completely different situations. No charges filed still resulted in suspension so there is precedent. Not true. The two complainants (Off duty cops) gave conflicting stories to the DA. Beyond that the Philly PD asked if anyone was injured/needed medical attention or wanted to press charges at the scene with all parties declining. Edited April 5, 2016 by 26CornerBlitz
26CornerBlitz Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 This is pretty ironic coming from one Jerry Sullivan. @TheBuffaloNews Jerry Sullivan: McCoy would benefit from dialing up the humility. http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/04/04/mccoy-would-benefit-from-dialing-up-the-humility/
purple haze Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 This is pretty ironic coming from one Jerry Sullivan. @TheBuffaloNews Jerry Sullivan: McCoy would benefit from dialing up the humility. http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/04/04/mccoy-would-benefit-from-dialing-up-the-humility/ I think we all know the gist of Sullivan's argument without even having to read the article.
Doc Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 (edited) You didn't read what the DA said, not you should have to. It's obvious as he says that could not bring a case that he could prove beyond reasonable doubt. As you know, the NFL doesn't have that level of proof needed to suspend--in fact they have no such standard at all....except conduct detrimental. As others have pointed out, Big Ben went down hard for a crime he was never charged with, so I'm not sure why you asked that question. Weren't you trying to convince me that Shady merely throwing a punch, regardless of whether it connected or not, was "assault"? What's so hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt there, considering it was caught on video? Yet no charge(s). But yeah, I was saying from the start that the DA wasn't going to get any reliable witnesses from that night and thus had no case. That much was obvious. And it's also obvious you missed the 4th paragraph where the DA talks about how people have a right to defend themselves from unlawful force. He didn't have to include that part and instead could have talked about how people, from star athletes to cops, should behave themselves in public. But since he did, and given the fact that the cops got their asses kicked, it's pretty safe to say that the DA was all but admitting that the cops started it and Shady and his friends were within their right to try to help their friend (who BTW was the one on the floor, getting pummeled by the cop), even if it meant "wilding" on them. Again, Shady wasn't thrown out of the club, wasn't arrested, and wasn't ultimately charged, after an investigation by a DA who had every incentive to want to bring a charge, any charge against not just Shady but anyone in the group. So no, Roger has no ground on which to stand to suspend Shady. Sorry. Ben was also accused of rape not once, but twice before he was suspended. He also settled with the victims. I highly doubt Shady settled with any of the cops. Edited April 5, 2016 by Doc
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 If the league decides it's unlikely McCoy was defending anyone when he jumped in to swing at a guy who was on the ground getting pummeled, they may conclude he should be suspended. If a DA's office and the 44 interviews they conducted with 27 witnesses were unable to conclude that it was "unlikely McCoy was defending anyone" when he took a swing, I think, should the league conclude otherwise, McCoy would have pretty solid grounds to appeal.
YoloinOhio Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 If LeSean is suspended... So is Derek Wolfe, right? http://m.tmz.com/#article/2016/04/05/derek-wolfe-denver-broncos-bar-fight/
Mr. WEO Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 Weren't you trying to convince me that Shady merely throwing a punch, regardless of whether it connected or not, was "assault"? What's so hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt there, considering it was caught on video? Yet no charge(s). But yeah, I was saying from the start that the DA wasn't going to get any reliable witnesses from that night and thus had no case. That much was obvious. And it's also obvious you missed the 4th paragraph where the DA talks about how people have a right to defend themselves from unlawful force. He didn't have to include that part and instead could have talked about how people, from star athletes to cops, should behave themselves in public. But since he did, and given the fact that the cops got their asses kicked, it's pretty safe to say that the DA was all but admitting that the cops started it and Shady and his friends were within their right to try to help their friend (who BTW was the one on the floor, getting pummeled by the cop), even if it meant "wilding" on them. Again, Shady wasn't thrown out of the club, wasn't arrested, and wasn't ultimately charged, after an investigation by a DA who had every incentive to want to bring a charge, any charge against not just Shady but anyone in the group. So no, Roger has no ground on which to stand to suspend Shady. Sorry. He also settled with the victims. I highly doubt Shady settled with any of the cops. No, I was trying to explain the definition of assault, which does not require physical contact. If Goodell looks at the video and concludes that McCoy was jumping in to punch a guy who at that point was a threat to no one, he may feel a suspension is appropriate. He may not. As for everything else in your post, see below re: Big Ben. No charges, no arrest, same explanation from DA.........suspension. If a DA's office and the 44 interviews they conducted with 27 witnesses were unable to conclude that it was "unlikely McCoy was defending anyone" when he took a swing, I think, should the league conclude otherwise, McCoy would have pretty solid grounds to appeal. Again, as in the Big Ben case, the league doesn't have to come to the same conclusion as the DA. In fact, that DA said almost the exact same thing about his case as the Philly DA did about McCoy's--he didn't have the evidence to bring a convincing case to a jury. Yet Goodell still gave him 6 games (reduced to 4 months later). The NFLPA could appeal, but if that's the basis of the appeal (DA didn't bring charges) then they will lose. The CBA allows for suspension for personal conduct detrimental to the league.
26CornerBlitz Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 @MikeKlis Broncos spokesman Patrick Smyth on Wolfe punch: “Derek talked to us on Monday about the issue, and it’s been addressed internally.’’ #9news @SiriusXMNFL SiriusXM NFL Radio Retweeted Mike Klis #Broncos statement on Derek Wolfe bar fight in Denver.
Jauronimo Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 Ben was also accused of rape not once, but twice before he was suspended. Context is important. Ben was accused back in 2010, BEFORE we knew that sexual assault and domestic violence were wrong and frowned upon by the NFL. Also, there was no video evidence of Ben's crime. Shady, on the other hand, was caught rosé handed in the most compelling video evidence since Zapruder unwittingly helped the CIA get away with murder. The two aren't even remotely comparable which is why I'll be surprised if McCoy ever plays again in the U.S. or an extradition treaty nation.
26CornerBlitz Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 Context is important. Ben was accused back in 2010, BEFORE we knew that sexual assault and domestic violence were wrong and frowned upon by the NFL. Also, there was no video evidence of Ben's crime. Shady, on the other hand, was caught rosé handed in the most compelling video evidence since Zapruder unwittingly helped the CIA get away with murder. The two aren't even remotely comparable which is why I'll be surprised if McCoy ever plays again in the U.S. or an extradition treaty nation.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 Context is important. Ben was accused back in 2010, BEFORE we knew that sexual assault and domestic violence were wrong and frowned upon by the NFL. Also, there was no video evidence of Ben's crime. Shady, on the other hand, was caught rosé handed in the most compelling video evidence since Zapruder unwittingly helped the CIA get away with murder. The two aren't even remotely comparable which is why I'll be surprised if McCoy ever plays again in the U.S. or an extradition treaty nation. Yes, definitely starting to like you
Doc Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 No, I was trying to explain the definition of assault, which does not require physical contact. If Goodell looks at the video and concludes that McCoy was jumping in to punch a guy who at that point was a threat to no one, he may feel a suspension is appropriate. He may not. As for everything else in your post, see below re: Big Ben. No charges, no arrest, same explanation from DA.........suspension. Again, as in the Big Ben case, the league doesn't have to come to the same conclusion as the DA. In fact, that DA said almost the exact same thing about his case as the Philly DA did about McCoy's--he didn't have the evidence to bring a convincing case to a jury. Yet Goodell still gave him 6 games (reduced to 4 months later). The NFLPA could appeal, but if that's the basis of the appeal (DA didn't bring charges) then they will lose. The CBA allows for suspension for personal conduct detrimental to the league. If defending a friend who is being attacked is "conduct detrimental to the league," I guess we can expect to hear about Gronk being suspended for attempting to prostitute others. Because, you know, it looks bad for the league, facts be damned.
YoloinOhio Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 Based on the results of the investigation, how is his conduct detrimental to the NFL?
Deranged Rhino Posted April 5, 2016 Posted April 5, 2016 Context is important. Ben was accused back in 2010, BEFORE we knew that sexual assault and domestic violence were wrong and frowned upon by the NFL. Also, there was no video evidence of Ben's crime. Shady, on the other hand, was caught rosé handed in the most compelling video evidence since Zapruder unwittingly helped the CIA get away with murder. The two aren't even remotely comparable which is why I'll be surprised if McCoy ever plays again in the U.S. or an extradition treaty nation.
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