BuffaloBill Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 The real question is now becoming if Shady is not charged will the league take any action with him. I have no facts to base anything on but my opinion is that they are not likely to do so. However, I can imagine that there will be a private warning issued. As has been said many times in this thread, Shady has to accept that nothing good happens when people are drinking hard in a bar in the late dark hours of the night. It's a proven recipe for trouble.
Nanker Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 WRT the Union's stance, it's called saving face, and they have to stand behind their members.
Doc Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 I get that the union is trying to help, but they're making things worse. Which is likely why they needed to have a talking to, as I've been saying. The real question is now becoming if Shady is not charged will the league take any action with him. I have no facts to base anything on but my opinion is that they are not likely to do so. However, I can imagine that there will be a private warning issued.As has been said many times in this thread, Shady has to accept that nothing good happens when people are drinking hard in a bar in the late dark hours of the night. It's a proven recipe for trouble. Goodell can't do anything if Shady isn't charged.
thebandit27 Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 Goodell can't do anything if Shady isn't charged. Sure he can...the Personal Conduct Policy makes it clear that criminal charges aren't necessary for discipline to occur.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 Goodell can't do anything if Shady isn't charged. Sure he can. Lots of precedent. Thing is, Shady would be in a much better position to appeal. Shady needs to re-write the old song "Midnight Special" and apply it to himself: "If you ever go to Houston Philly, man you better walk right. and you better not swagger, and you better not fight." Hopefully Shady's lawyer and agent have explained the Facts of Life to him that especially if he isn't charged, the Philly Boys in Blue will be watching him very carefully and he'd better do his partying thang elsewhere.
8-8 Forever? Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 Yup, it's a loser of a case for the DA, but the cops have just as much to lose as the defendants. From having barricades removed for civilians, to starting fights, to having guns in a club, to potentially driving drunk. Not to mention the optics of being drunk, club hopping and ordering $1400 worth of champagne. And true they don't make the decision to file charges, but if they were to tell the DA to drop it, the DA would likely listen. From the looks of it, seeing as nothing has happened in a month now, it looks like that's what is happening. See above. And true, no one filed a complaint from Shady's side. But that's most likely because they want it to go away, unlike the cops who are clearly angling for a payday. I have no doubt though that their lawyers told the cops/their lawyers that if they pursue this, they'll launch a full investigation into their numerous transgressions that night, if not investigate every part of their lives, and look to have charges brought against them for assault at least. this. pride of the philly po po those guys are. geez. just drop it. really bad behavior all around.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 this. pride of the philly po po those guys are. geez. just drop it. really bad behavior all around. Careful, you may insult Bill in NYC. Wouldn't want that.
Doc Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 Sure he can...the Personal Conduct Policy makes it clear that criminal charges aren't necessary for discipline to occur. Sure he can. Lots of precedent. Thing is, Shady would be in a much better position to appeal. Shady needs to re-write the old song "Midnight Special" and apply it to himself: "If you ever go to Houston Philly, man you better walk right. and you better not swagger, and you better not fight." Hopefully Shady's lawyer and agent have explained the Facts of Life to him that especially if he isn't charged, the Philly Boys in Blue will be watching him very carefully and he'd better do his partying thang elsewhere. Nope. If the DA investigates the incident fully and doesn't bring charges against him, and especially if there is no settlement, Rog can't do anything.
thebandit27 Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 Nope. If the DA investigates the incident fully and doesn't bring charges against him, and especially if there is no settlement, Rog can't do anything. C'mon Doc, it's right there in the Policy: " While criminal activity is clearly outside the scope of permissible conduct, and persons who engage in criminal activity will be subject to discipline, the standard of conduct for persons employed in the NFL is considerably higher. It is not enough simply to avoid being found guilty of a crime. Instead, as an employee of the NFL or a member club, you are held to a higher standard and expected to conduct yourself in a way that is responsible, promotes the values upon which the League is based, and is lawful. [snip] Discipline may be imposed in any of the following circumstances: [snip] • Conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity and reputation of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL players." And that there's your catch-all
Doc Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 It would be the stretch of all stretches to suspend him. Doesn't mean Rog won't try, but it won't stick.
JohnC Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 It would be the stretch of all stretches to suspend him. Doesn't mean Rog won't try, but it won't stick. If Roger wanted to suspend McCoy for a game or fine him citing the tape of his participation in the brawl he could do so, regardless if he or his associates are charged. Bandit referred to the text that gives him the authority to do so. Will he? Who knows? Roger does whatever he wants. Being consistent and judicious are not his strong points.
thebandit27 Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 If Roger wanted to suspend McCoy for a game or fine him citing the tape of his participation in the brawl he could do so, regardless if he or his associates are charged. Bandit referred to the text that gives him the authority to do so. Will he? Who knows? Roger does whatever he wants. Being consistent and judicious are not his strong points. Correct...the BN had an article that detailed this recently: http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/02/10/conviction-or-not-nfl-could-come-down-hard-on-mccoy/
JohnC Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 Correct...the BN had an article that detailed this recently: http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/02/10/conviction-or-not-nfl-could-come-down-hard-on-mccoy/ It wouldn't be difficult for most people in and out of the football business to enthusiastically support Roger in his efforts to make the bad actors (players) accountable for their behavior on and off the field, including banning the recalcitrant degenerates. The problem is that Goodell is too often incapable of being measured and consistent in how he deals with disciplinary issues. There are too many occasions where his visceral responses overtake his ability to adjudicate a problem The deflategate case, among many cases, reflects his vindictive side dominating his ability to be objective. The way Roger handled the Ray Rice case caused an outcry. And rightly so. But to his credit there is now in place a no tolerance policy and a quick response policy to deal with domestic assault cases. It was the NFL's first poor response and then corrective follow-up that has influenced all sports to take this issue more seriously.
Doc Posted March 10, 2016 Posted March 10, 2016 (edited) If Roger wanted to suspend McCoy for a game or fine him citing the tape of his participation in the brawl he could do so, regardless if he or his associates are charged. Bandit referred to the text that gives him the authority to do so. Will he? Who knows? Roger does whatever he wants. Being consistent and judicious are not his strong points. While the video shows him throwing a punch, it doesn't clearly show him connecting. And his story is he was doing it to get the cop, who started the fight, off his friend. That's hardly firm ground to suspend him. Again he might try, but he won't succeed. Correct...the BN had an article that detailed this recently: http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/02/10/conviction-or-not-nfl-could-come-down-hard-on-mccoy/ That article was from the Wednesday immediately after the incident (IOW a month ago) and before the facts were known. At the time it sounded and looked like Shady and his buds curb stomping a cop for taking their champagne. Edited March 10, 2016 by Doc
Heitz Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 CSI: TBD *still* hasnt cracked this case? How many pages of speculation is it going to take!?
Chandler#81 Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 CSI: TBD *still* hasnt cracked this case? How many pages of speculation is it going to take!? 'Well, we've committed 236 fully deputized investigators to the case, with a wide range of expertise -from criminal psychologists and forensic specialists to societal behavior experts. All under the direction of Captain Beerball. We expect to render our decision in the coming weeks..' Chief Scott Samara
JohnC Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 'Well, we've committed 236 fully deputized investigators to the case, with a wide range of expertise -from criminal psychologists and forensic specialists to societal behavior experts. All under the direction of Captain Beerball. We expect to render our decision in the coming weeks..' Chief Scott Samara Beerball is not a captain---he is a sheriff.
Deranged Rhino Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 Beerball is not a captain---he is a sheriff. And if my write in vote amounts to anything this election season, he's soon to be president.
JohnC Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 And if my write in vote amounts to anything this election season, he's soon to be president. Are you suggesting he has Trumpish hair?
Mr. WEO Posted March 11, 2016 Posted March 11, 2016 While the video shows him throwing a punch, it doesn't clearly show him connecting. And his story is he was doing it to get the cop, who started the fight, off his friend. That's hardly firm ground to suspend him. Again he might try, but he won't succeed. That article was from the Wednesday immediately after the incident (IOW a month ago) and before the facts were known. At the time it sounded and looked like Shady and his buds curb stomping a cop for taking their champagne. Does it matter if he connects? If so, why? And won;t the cop claim the punch connected? And what would McCoy or the NFLPA say in their appeal meeting while that video is rolling that would convince the NFL (or an arbitrator) that the suspension was grossly misapplied and must be reversed?
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