Difference between Bills fans and Patriots fans

[Gugny]

 

 

 

I mean look at TT...a guy who made the ProBowl as his first time starting. Instead of being excited about his potential, we still have people campaigning against him, demanding we waste a first round pick (thats not even a high pick) on a QB to replace or challenge him. Does he still have to improve, sure, but IT WAS HIS FIRST YEAR STARTING AT THE MOST DIFFICULT POSITION IN ALL OF TEAM SPORTS AND HE DID IT BETTER THAN MOST IN THEIR FIRST TRY. They ignore how tough he is playing through pain all year, or that he missed time, or that he didn't get first team reps like a starter would most of the offseason, or that ALL OF HIS PLAYMAKERS went down with injury for multiple games this year, and some for the season...and when they did play, they often were playing hurt. Or that he and the whole team were in their first year with a completely new system. Or that he got screwed bad on some bad calls that cost us games like the Giants game. Or that he made plays with his legs, not just his arm. Or that he single handedly won us games with others didn't show up.

Instead of finding the positive to build on and showing support, people railroad him still to this very moment. That is the difference of being a Bills fan and a Pats fan. They come out to support their players of all skill levels while we spend time finding reasons to bash them or hate on them even when its not warranted.

 

Last couple of years, its been tough to be a Bills fan, not because of the product on the field as much as it is being around other Bills fans.

 

The closest he came to single-handedly winning a game was the Tennessee game in which his ridiculously schitty play for the first 54 minutes of the game had us behind.

 

I respect you and your contributions, but this entire rant tells me that you think unless someone is a homer, then they're not a "good fan." I think that's bullschit, personally.

 

You're happy with a QB who "led" the team to a .500 record. I want one that can put up good numbers when the Bills NEED them and actually lead the team to enough wins to play week 18. And there's nothing wrong with that.

 

Being a pro bowl alternate in this day and age is a joke. The pro bowl is a joke and you have to know that. Being named to it doesn't make you great and being named as an alternate barely makes you good.

 

What's tough for me is to see the members of the Church of Tyrod ignore the fact that he's really not that friggin' good.

[Jerry Jabber]

 

 

I have some close friends who are huge Pats fans, several actually, including one who's one of the top editors at the NFL Network. Being around them and their friends, I can say one thing is VERY different between Pats fans and Bills fans. They ALWAYS support their players and the team overall. Bills fans spend more time trying to prove they still suck, prove certain UNPROVEN players suck and will always suck, find reasons why great players suck or should be gone, etc. I get winning and losing plays a part in that, but I have known some of these people from before the Pats were anything special. And it was always the same.

 

I used to be a VERY active member of this board, but its taxing and tiring to be on here listening to the same people railroad conversations, cram their "he sucks" campaign down everyones throat, we wont win 4 games next year speeches, etc. The fans here watch the games, go through the motions of being a fan, but will in an instant turn on a player if they don't like his draft slot...if they think we didn't need that player...if he shows Bills pride on Twitter...if he demands the ball...if we gave up something for him that the arm chair GM's thinks we shouldn't...any number of reasons. People are more concerned about proving the misery than rallying to support the team and players.

 

I mean it gets SOOOOOOO old to the point that its almost impossible to have rational discussions about this team anymore. And I don't want to hear this garbage about ownership, we have NEW ownership. I don't want to hear about the staff as IF its been the same staff all these years, its a NEW staff. Everyone here lumps the entire playoff drought onto each and every new Coach, new FO person, new draft pick, new FA signing, etc. They put a decade and a half of losing on EVERYONES shoulders that had nothing to do with the last decade and a half. They then scream at the top of their lungs that its their right to b*tch and moan about it because they suffered through it despite that it defies ALL LOGIC given the current team has nothing to do with he last decade and a half.

 

I mean look at TT...a guy who made the ProBowl as his first time starting. Instead of being excited about his potential, we still have people campaigning against him, demanding we waste a first round pick (thats not even a high pick) on a QB to replace or challenge him. Does he still have to improve, sure, but IT WAS HIS FIRST YEAR STARTING AT THE MOST DIFFICULT POSITION IN ALL OF TEAM SPORTS AND HE DID IT BETTER THAN MOST IN THEIR FIRST TRY. They ignore how tough he is playing through pain all year, or that he missed time, or that he didn't get first team reps like a starter would most of the offseason, or that ALL OF HIS PLAYMAKERS went down with injury for multiple games this year, and some for the season...and when they did play, they often were playing hurt. Or that he and the whole team were in their first year with a completely new system. Or that he got screwed bad on some bad calls that cost us games like the Giants game. Or that he made plays with his legs, not just his arm. Or that he single handedly won us games with others didn't show up.

Instead of finding the positive to build on and showing support, people railroad him still to this very moment. That is the difference of being a Bills fan and a Pats fan. They come out to support their players of all skill levels while we spend time finding reasons to bash them or hate on them even when its not warranted.

 

Last couple of years, its been tough to be a Bills fan, not because of the product on the field as much as it is being around other Bills fans.

 

Alphadawg, I couldn't have said it any better! I agree 100% with everything you said. It seems posters on here want coaches fired after one season, players cut after one season, etc... if they didn't live up to their own expectations of said coaches/players. Great points about TT, especially when you factor in all the injuries to the WR position this year as it seemed like the only WR that survived the season was Watkins.

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

 

 

I have some close friends who are huge Pats fans, several actually, including one who's one of the top editors at the NFL Network. Being around them and their friends, I can say one thing is VERY different between Pats fans and Bills fans. They ALWAYS support their players and the team overall. Bills fans spend more time trying to prove they still suck, prove certain UNPROVEN players suck and will always suck, find reasons why great players suck or should be gone, etc. I get winning and losing plays a part in that, but I have known some of these people from before the Pats were anything special. And it was always the same.

 

I used to be a VERY active member of this board, but its taxing and tiring to be on here listening to the same people railroad conversations, cram their "he sucks" campaign down everyones throat, we wont win 4 games next year speeches, etc. The fans here watch the games, go through the motions of being a fan, but will in an instant turn on a player if they don't like his draft slot...if they think we didn't need that player...if he shows Bills pride on Twitter...if he demands the ball...if we gave up something for him that the arm chair GM's thinks we shouldn't...any number of reasons. People are more concerned about proving the misery than rallying to support the team and players. And I am not saying that you can't be truthful and critical of players performances, or even the staff and FO. But it goes to extremes here and often beyond reason.

 

I mean it gets SOOOOOOO old to the point that its almost impossible to have rational discussions about this team anymore. And I don't want to hear this garbage about ownership, we have NEW ownership. I don't want to hear about the staff as IF its been the same staff all these years, its a NEW staff. Everyone here lumps the entire playoff drought onto each and every new Coach, new FO person, new draft pick, new FA signing, etc. They put a decade and a half of losing on EVERYONES shoulders that had nothing to do with the last decade and a half. They then scream at the top of their lungs that its their right to b*tch and moan about it because they suffered through it despite that it defies ALL LOGIC given the current team has nothing to do with he last decade and a half.

 

I mean look at TT...a guy who made the ProBowl as his first time starting. Instead of being excited about his potential, we still have people campaigning against him, demanding we waste a first round pick (thats not even a high pick) on a QB to replace or challenge him. Does he still have to improve, sure, but IT WAS HIS FIRST YEAR STARTING AT THE MOST DIFFICULT POSITION IN ALL OF TEAM SPORTS AND HE DID IT BETTER THAN MOST IN THEIR FIRST TRY. They ignore how tough he is playing through pain all year, or that he missed time, or that he didn't get first team reps like a starter would most of the offseason, or that ALL OF HIS PLAYMAKERS went down with injury for multiple games this year, and some for the season...and when they did play, they often were playing hurt. Or that he and the whole team were in their first year with a completely new system. Or that he got screwed bad on some bad calls that cost us games like the Giants game. Or that he made plays with his legs, not just his arm. Or that he single handedly won us games with others didn't show up.

Instead of finding the positive to build on and showing support, people railroad him still to this very moment. That is the difference of being a Bills fan and a Pats fan. They come out to support their players of all skill levels while we spend time finding reasons to bash them or hate on them even when its not warranted.

 

Last couple of years, its been tough to be a Bills fan, not because of the product on the field as much as it is being around other Bills fans.

+1

[Jerry Jabber]

Its easy to root for a winner. When you are rooting for a bad team your whole life and they make dumb decisions over and over again that you don't agree with and the result is they still stink then how can you not second guess it?

 

It's hard to argue that fact, but the person making in charge of making those "dumb decisions" no longer owns the team, so you can no longer lay all the blame on the Pegula's, Whaley and the new coaching staff.

[Alphadawg7]

 

The closest he came to single-handedly winning a game was the Tennessee game in which his ridiculously schitty play for the first 54 minutes of the game had us behind.

 

I respect you and your contributions, but this entire rant tells me that you think unless someone is a homer, then they're not a "good fan." I think that's bullschit, personally.

 

You're happy with a QB who "led" the team to a .500 record. I want one that can put up good numbers when the Bills NEED them and actually lead the team to enough wins to play week 18. And there's nothing wrong with that.

 

Being a pro bowl alternate in this day and age is a joke. The pro bowl is a joke and you have to know that. Being named to it doesn't make you great and being named as an alternate barely makes you good.

 

What's tough for me is to see the members of the Church of Tyrod ignore the fact that he's really not that friggin' good.

 

Your follow up is my exact point. I literally said he has to improve, and I literally said rather than look at the potential you have decided he has none. No one ever around here will label me a homer, I was very critical of many players who were not getting the job done in the past.

 

But here you go...you immediately start tearing TT down and deciding he sucks despite the FO, ESPN (named him biggest surprise of the year the other day...in a good way), his teammates, etc all saying he exceeded expectations and is promising young player. NO ONE, literally NOT ONE is coming out and saying he's the next Cam Newton or Russell Wilson. Its that this kid faced a LOT of tough challenges this year and despite that had a pretty good year for a FIRST year starter, one of the BEST ON RECORD for a first year QB in many critical categories and statisitcs, did make a ProBowl (say what you want about the ProBowl, but he was still good enough to be chosen as an alternate despite you saying he sucks), and has shown enough to be embraced as the starter next year to see IF he continues to develop.

 

I respect your opinion, but to sit back and say after what he did this year that he has no future as a potential starter is so absurd that I can even fathom how anyone could say that. Does he have more to prove...ABSOLUTELY, he needs to continue to get better which is EXACTLY what EVERY SINGLE first year QB faced as well whether they were a rookie or sat before they started. Aaron Rodgers had a pretty good start when he got his chance, but he got so much better. You on the other hand have decided despite a sold start by TT that he can't get better, and thats absurd.

 

And for the love of all things holy...stop putting the 8-8 record on just his shoulders. Our offense IS NOT THE REASON we only won 8 games this year. TT and the offense, often missing our best players on Offense scored more than enough points to win several other games where the D came up short. And even so, its a TEAM game, and TT did not lead us to an 8-8 record in the first place, so get your facts straight. He led us to an 8-6 record as EJ got us two losses. And we were missing Sammy, Shady, Clay, Karlos, and a whole mess of other players in many of those games.

[Jerry Jabber]

 

The closest he came to single-handedly winning a game was the Tennessee game in which his ridiculously schitty play for the first 54 minutes of the game had us behind.

 

I respect you and your contributions, but this entire rant tells me that you think unless someone is a homer, then they're not a "good fan." I think that's bullschit, personally.

 

You're happy with a QB who "led" the team to a .500 record. I want one that can put up good numbers when the Bills NEED them and actually lead the team to enough wins to play week 18. And there's nothing wrong with that.

 

Being a pro bowl alternate in this day and age is a joke. The pro bowl is a joke and you have to know that. Being named to it doesn't make you great and being named as an alternate barely makes you good.

 

What's tough for me is to see the members of the Church of Tyrod ignore the fact that he's really not that friggin' good.

 

Besides Sammy Watkins, who else did Taylor have to throw to that was effective? Woods had a severe groin injury that hampered his game; Hogan had a bad wrist injury that seriously impacted his game; Goodwin got hurt (again); Harvin got hurt early and Greg Roman didn't start effectively use Watkins until late in the season by having Watkins line up all over the field instead of just the go-route. Give Taylor a legit #2 WR to compliment Watkins, a full offseason of reps as the starting QB instead of a three-way split and let's see how he does next season.

[FireChan]

 

 

I have some close friends who are huge Pats fans, several actually, including one who's one of the top editors at the NFL Network. Being around them and their friends, I can say one thing is VERY different between Pats fans and Bills fans. They ALWAYS support their players and the team overall. Bills fans spend more time trying to prove they still suck, prove certain UNPROVEN players suck and will always suck, find reasons why great players suck or should be gone, etc. I get winning and losing plays a part in that, but I have known some of these people from before the Pats were anything special. And it was always the same.

 

I used to be a VERY active member of this board, but its taxing and tiring to be on here listening to the same people railroad conversations, cram their "he sucks" campaign down everyones throat, we wont win 4 games next year speeches, etc. The fans here watch the games, go through the motions of being a fan, but will in an instant turn on a player if they don't like his draft slot...if they think we didn't need that player...if he shows Bills pride on Twitter...if he demands the ball...if we gave up something for him that the arm chair GM's thinks we shouldn't...any number of reasons. People are more concerned about proving the misery than rallying to support the team and players. And I am not saying that you can't be truthful and critical of players performances, or even the staff and FO. But it goes to extremes here and often beyond reason.

 

I mean it gets SOOOOOOO old to the point that its almost impossible to have rational discussions about this team anymore. And I don't want to hear this garbage about ownership, we have NEW ownership. I don't want to hear about the staff as IF its been the same staff all these years, its a NEW staff. Everyone here lumps the entire playoff drought onto each and every new Coach, new FO person, new draft pick, new FA signing, etc. They put a decade and a half of losing on EVERYONES shoulders that had nothing to do with the last decade and a half. They then scream at the top of their lungs that its their right to b*tch and moan about it because they suffered through it despite that it defies ALL LOGIC given the current team has nothing to do with he last decade and a half.

 

I mean look at TT...a guy who made the ProBowl as his first time starting. Instead of being excited about his potential, we still have people campaigning against him, demanding we waste a first round pick (thats not even a high pick) on a QB to replace or challenge him. Does he still have to improve, sure, but IT WAS HIS FIRST YEAR STARTING AT THE MOST DIFFICULT POSITION IN ALL OF TEAM SPORTS AND HE DID IT BETTER THAN MOST IN THEIR FIRST TRY. They ignore how tough he is playing through pain all year, or that he missed time, or that he didn't get first team reps like a starter would most of the offseason, or that ALL OF HIS PLAYMAKERS went down with injury for multiple games this year, and some for the season...and when they did play, they often were playing hurt. Or that he and the whole team were in their first year with a completely new system. Or that he got screwed bad on some bad calls that cost us games like the Giants game. Or that he made plays with his legs, not just his arm. Or that he single handedly won us games with others didn't show up.

Instead of finding the positive to build on and showing support, people railroad him still to this very moment. That is the difference of being a Bills fan and a Pats fan. They come out to support their players of all skill levels while we spend time finding reasons to bash them or hate on them even when its not warranted.

 

Last couple of years, its been tough to be a Bills fan, not because of the product on the field as much as it is being around other Bills fans.

Just as was thinking "at least we don't have to talk about Tyrod Taylor in this topic."

[Alphadawg7]

Just as was thinking "at least we don't have to talk about Tyrod Taylor in this topic."

 

Ha, I know how you feel...but he was a very current and exact example of the points I was making, so had no choice.

[Gugny]

 

Your follow up is my exact point. I literally said he has to improve, and I literally said rather than look at the potential you have decided he has none. No one ever around here will label me a homer, I was very critical of many players who were not getting the job done in the past.

 

But here you go...you immediately start tearing TT down and deciding he sucks despite the FO, ESPN (named him biggest surprise of the year the other day...in a good way), his teammates, etc all saying he exceeded expectations and is promising young player. NO ONE, literally NOT ONE is coming out and saying he's the next Cam Newton or Russell Wilson. Its that this kid faced a LOT of tough challenges this year and despite that had a pretty good year for a FIRST year starter, one of the BEST ON RECORD for a first year QB in many critical categories and statisitcs, did make a ProBowl (say what you want about the ProBowl, but he was still good enough to be chosen as an alternate despite you saying he sucks), and has shown enough to be embraced as the starter next year to see IF he continues to develop.

 

I respect your opinion, but to sit back and say after what he did this year that he has no future as a potential starter is so absurd that I can even fathom how anyone could say that. Does he have more to prove...ABSOLUTELY, he needs to continue to get better which is EXACTLY what EVERY SINGLE first year QB faced as well whether they were a rookie or sat before they started. Aaron Rodgers had a pretty good start when he got his chance, but he got so much better. You on the other hand have decided despite a sold start by TT that he can't get better, and thats absurd.

 

And for the love of all things holy...stop putting the 8-8 record on just his shoulders. Our offense IS NOT THE REASON we only won 8 games this year. TT and the offense, often missing our best players on Offense scored more than enough points to win several other games where the D came up short. And even so, its a TEAM game, and TT did not lead us to an 8-8 record in the first place, so get your facts straight. He led us to an 8-6 record as EJ got us two losses. And we were missing Sammy, Shady, Clay, Karlos, and a whole mess of other players in many of those games.

 

I don't put the record solely on TT. I do, however, put the inability to score points (6 of them) when the Bills needed them squarely on TT.

 

I know the defense didn't do the offense many favors this year.

 

But I don't want to hear the "our receivers were injured," excuse. That happens to a lot of teams ... winning teams ... and always has.

 

I don't think it's absurd to think that we have seen TT's ceiling. I sincerely believe that. His effectiveness decreased as the season moved on. He became easier to defend. He will be easier to defend next season unless he somehow figures out how to read defenses and utilize more than the sidelines. He's not built to just scramble for positive yardage and take hits.

 

I will say what I always say when this topic comes up. I would love to be wrong. I'm not some troll who wants TT to suck just so I can say I'm right. That's not my style. I would gladly eat crow if he is able to turn it around and be the QB worthy of leading an NFL offense.

[Jerry Jabber]

 

I don't put the record solely on TT. I do, however, put the inability to score points (6 of them) when the Bills needed them squarely on TT.

 

I know the defense didn't do the offense many favors this year.

 

But I don't want to hear the "our receivers were injured," excuse. That happens to a lot of teams ... winning teams ... and always has.

 

I don't think it's absurd to think that we have seen TT's ceiling. I sincerely believe that. His effectiveness decreased as the season moved on. He became easier to defend. He will be easier to defend next season unless he somehow figures out how to read defenses and utilize more than the sidelines. He's not built to just scramble for positive yardage and take hits.

 

I will say what I always say when this topic comes up. I would love to be wrong. I'm not some troll who wants TT to suck just so I can say I'm right. That's not my style. I would gladly eat crow if he is able to turn it around and be the QB worthy of leading an NFL offense.

 

I think it took up until week 17 for Greg Roman to line up Watkins all over the field. How many times did we see Watkins have big numbers in the first half or only get a few targets in a game this year, then get shut down in the second half of the game because Roman did not know how to effectively use his best WR until very late in the season? Once Roman had Watkins lined up all over the field, he torched Revis, who is considered one of the best CB's in the game for 11 catches for 136 yards.

[Alphadawg7]

 

I don't put the record solely on TT. I do, however, put the inability to score points (6 of them) when the Bills needed them squarely on TT.

 

I know the defense didn't do the offense many favors this year.

 

But I don't want to hear the "our receivers were injured," excuse. That happens to a lot of teams ... winning teams ... and always has.

 

I don't think it's absurd to think that we have seen TT's ceiling. I sincerely believe that. His effectiveness decreased as the season moved on. He became easier to defend. He will be easier to defend next season unless he somehow figures out how to read defenses and utilize more than the sidelines. He's not built to just scramble for positive yardage and take hits.

 

I will say what I always say when this topic comes up. I would love to be wrong. I'm not some troll who wants TT to suck just so I can say I'm right. That's not my style. I would gladly eat crow if he is able to turn it around and be the QB worthy of leading an NFL offense.

 

Everyone is entitled to their thoughts and opinions about anyone and everything. But lets bring this back to the point I initially made and make it more about that than the analysis of TT specifically.

 

In this case, you have decided to see the negative in TT and ignore any of the positives he showed. You have decided that all injury situations are equal and remove that FACT about his season as if it didn't matter to further your belief in his lack of potential. GB lost Jordy this year, and with an ELITE top 3 QB, and many would argue the best current QB in the NFL in Rodgers and what was believed to be a great stable of WR's behind Jordy, they still struggled a lot on offense. They went from being a real threat for the SB to a team that was gonna make the playoffs still but not be a real threat to make and win the SB. One player changed the effectiveness of the one of the best QB's and offenses in the NFL (who again had an ELITE veteran QB in the same system for years).

 

Now look at TT...new system, lost ALL of his starting WRs for portions of the year, including some for the season, did not get a full offseason of reps with them, first time starter, lost ALL of his top 3 RBs for parts of the year and one for the season, lost his talented TE as well and many players on the OL. All the while playing through his own injuries that even caused him to miss 2 games.

 

So to lump our injury situation into the conversation as if its equal to everyone and as if it didn't impact others the way it impacted us is ridiculous. And its being done so in a way to again further a campaign against a promising young player who has yet to play long enough to decide his future. Ask Dallas what its like to lose a QB and #1 WR...how about Baltimore? What about the Saints? Most teams who lose their starting QB, RB, WR, TE, OG, OT, and many of their backups for large portions of the year don't win a lot of games despite you stating the opposite. The facts are the facts, but many Bills fans want to ignore the logic and reason of the actual scenario of what a specific player went through and just decide its his fault and he has no future.

 

If TT had this season for the Pats, they would be supporting his development to see if he can get better, not railroading against him to prove he can't get better. And if you honestly feel he has peaked, then fine, thats your opinion. But I am simply pointing out the difference between supporting players development and wallowing in unproven negativity. Its fine to be critical of the flaws in a player and what they need to improve upon, its a whole other animal to decide that they can never improve and that they have no future as a starter in this league like you have decided with Taylor despite a pretty good first season from him overall.

 

And there is no need to respond back about debating TT, I am clear on your thoughts on him...he was an example not a thread for proving or disproving his merits.

[Direhard Fan]

I thought this thread was on different fans?? I worked in MA. for 44 years after moving from Buffalo. The NE fans are very hard to swollow. They beat me up and laughed at you all the time. NYY vs Sox. Bill's vs NE. They really believe they walk on water. They are truly nasty people. I really don't like them and I am a really nice person. And that is how it will always be. And should be. I am a real fan.

[Alphadawg7]

I thought this thread was on different fans?? I worked in MA. for 44 years after moving from Buffalo. The NE fans are very hard to swollow. They beat me up and laughed at you all the time. NYY vs Sox. Bill's vs NE. They really believe they walk on water. They are truly nasty people. I really don't like them and I am a really nice person. And that is how it will always be. And should be. I am a real fan.

 

I live in Los Angeles, and I can't stand Raider fans. They are awful and know nothing about their team...they live for the image of being an a-hole.

[White Linen]

He embarrassed us? I'm not embarrassed at all....he's not a friend or family member...he plays on a team I root for.

 

I'm just suggesting to the level you could be embarrassed as a fan - it's embarrassing. I have a lot of other things in life more important as I know you do - so I'm not trying to over dramatize. I just think Bills fans are one of the unique fan bases that take exception to this type of stuff.