John from Riverside Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 I believe I'm a reasonable person & I don't find anything outstanding about the article. Me neither.....its just interesting to get it from a player and coach pov.
The Big Cat Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 You're forgetting the psychological and physical impact of a 300 pound monster driving into your ribs. And while you hand-waved away the loss of yards, the loss of yards makes it easier to force a punt. 2-17 and 2-10 are two very different animals. So no. A throwaway is not tantamount to sack. I just enjoyed your line of "I'm stretching here, but yeah, I'm right." And he definitely got crunched on a few non-sacks in that game too, just like he did last week against Denver when I was SCREAMING at the TV that it's time to change the IG rules. The point was to offer a counter to "if we're not registering countable sacks, our defense is ineffective" a prevailing and curious theory that's really starting to take hold with a couple of posters here.
Andrew Son Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 It's amazing that all of his previous playes are wrong about Rex. I can't believe with how horrible Rex is, I never here anything negative from his previous players. I guess that don't know football as well as this board...
FireChan Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 And he definitely got crunched on a few non-sacks in that game too, just like he did last week against Denver when I was SCREAMING at the TV that it's time to change the IG rules. The point was to offer a counter to "if we're not registering countable sacks, our defense is ineffective" a prevailing and curious theory that's really starting to take hold with a couple of posters here. And your counter that throwaways are equal to sacks was, well, weak. IMO.
JohnC Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 So..by said logic if the D becomes a force next year Rex is a genius? I don't root against the players, the coaches or the team. I want them to succeed. What I can say is that Rex did a poor job of coaching the talent he had on hand this past season. If you want to disagree with that then fine do so. Rex Ryan will never be a coaching genius. He simply isn't that caliber of coach nor will he ever be. So let's get serious. Rex is one of the better coaches when it comes to performances at the podium but as a coach on the sidelines he is mediocre. Rex has been a HC for seven years. He has a losing record. I'm confident I won't ever see his statue in Canton, Ohio. Odds are the defense will improve next season. It can't perform much worse considering the talent already on the roster. If you believe that Rex is going to be the mastermind elevating it to a top tier level then you are much more optimistic than I am.
The Big Cat Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 And your counter that throwaways are equal to sacks was, well, weak. IMO. Which is stretching an already stretched assertion, but whatever, that's your style, just go with it.
FireChan Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) Which is stretching an already stretched assertion, but whatever, that's your style, just go with it. Dude, what? YOU said they were tantamount. This victim act is boring. Edited February 2, 2016 by FireChan
John from Riverside Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 I don't root against the players, the coaches or the team. I want them to succeed. What I can say is that Rex did a poor job of coaching the talent he had on hand this past season. If you want to disagree with that then fine do so. Rex Ryan will never be a coaching genius. He simply isn't that caliber of coach nor will he ever be. So let's get serious. Rex is one of the better coaches when it comes to performances at the podium but as a coach on the sidelines he is mediocre. Rex has been a HC for seven years. He has a losing record. I'm confident I won't ever see his statue in Canton, Ohio. Odds are the defense will improve next season. It can't perform much worse considering the talent already on the roster. If you believe that Rex is going to be the mastermind elevating it to a top tier level then you are much more optimistic than I am. This post is hilarioous "I dont root against anyone" and "odds are the D will improve" then the the obligatory "we have a mediocre coach" You have in essence biult in a way out if the team improves....but left the door open to crit the heck out of them if they dont GOOD JOB
eball Posted February 2, 2016 Author Posted February 2, 2016 First of all, I don't take reaction to the article I linked "personally." I didn't write it. What irritates me is the downright arrogance of some on this board. I haven't blindly defended Rex Ryan -- I've said numerous times how disappointed I am in how the defense performed. The arrogant experts of TSW have declared Rex is a buffoon, forgot how to coach, can't adapt to his talent, and can barely tie his own shoes. Ty Dunne could have taken the easy way out and piled on Rex like the rest of The Buffalo News, but he found a way to present a different side of the story. The quotes from Scott and Cowher don't exonerate Rex but they help to explain why things weren't so rosy in his first season here. They also provide a glimmer of optimism going forward. Why does that anger some of you so much?
26CornerBlitz Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 First of all, I don't take reaction to the article I linked "personally." I didn't write it. What irritates me is the downright arrogance of some on this board. I haven't blindly defended Rex Ryan -- I've said numerous times how disappointed I am in how the defense performed. The arrogant experts of TSW have declared Rex is a buffoon, forgot how to coach, can't adapt to his talent, and can barely tie his own shoes. Ty Dunne could have taken the easy way out and piled on Rex like the rest of The Buffalo News, but he found a way to present a different side of the story. The quotes from Scott and Cowher don't exonerate Rex but they help to explain why things weren't so rosy in his first season here. They also provide a glimmer of optimism going forward. Why does that anger some of you so much? Great points made by you but the disappointment by the defense after so much big talk that ended up in yet another non-playoff year sent many off the rails against Rex as evidenced by some of the vitriol you pointed out.
John from Riverside Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 First of all, I don't take reaction to the article I linked "personally." I didn't write it. What irritates me is the downright arrogance of some on this board. I haven't blindly defended Rex Ryan -- I've said numerous times how disappointed I am in how the defense performed. The arrogant experts of TSW have declared Rex is a buffoon, forgot how to coach, can't adapt to his talent, and can barely tie his own shoes. Ty Dunne could have taken the easy way out and piled on Rex like the rest of The Buffalo News, but he found a way to present a different side of the story. The quotes from Scott and Cowher don't exonerate Rex but they help to explain why things weren't so rosy in his first season here. They also provide a glimmer of optimism going forward. Why does that anger some of you so much? Because Rex cant tie his own shoes of course!
FireChan Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 First of all, I don't take reaction to the article I linked "personally." I didn't write it. What irritates me is the downright arrogance of some on this board. I haven't blindly defended Rex Ryan -- I've said numerous times how disappointed I am in how the defense performed. The arrogant experts of TSW have declared Rex is a buffoon, forgot how to coach, can't adapt to his talent, and can barely tie his own shoes. Ty Dunne could have taken the easy way out and piled on Rex like the rest of The Buffalo News, but he found a way to present a different side of the story. The quotes from Scott and Cowher don't exonerate Rex but they help to explain why things weren't so rosy in his first season here. They also provide a glimmer of optimism going forward. Why does that anger some of you so much? I don't think you understand the criticisms levied in this topic.
John from Riverside Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 This has been discussed ad nauseam and I expect more writing/threads to continue because its a long offseason. With that said, Rex did a bad job this season with the defense considering where it was before he was hired. Yes, the blame goes around. The players deserve criticism for sure, but IMO the majority of the blame lays at the feet of Rex Ryan... no? So do you plan on parroting this all offseason....or is it ok for fans to have some optimism going forward without you pissin in the punchbowl every chance you get?
Prickly Pete Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 I'm talking about how your appeal to authority is clearly more valid than his. Well it is. The quarterback surrenders before a valid attempt can be made. You're talking about the QB who, prior to Robey's phantom PI that would have put them @ 4 and 17 was 11/27 for 146 yards? You think the defense failed that day because he only got sacked twice? I don't care about sacks, I care about good defense. Sacks are just an indicator that the defense was creating pressure. But here we are trying to use stats to demonstrate the weaknesses of the defense....F*** it. How is this, just good and direct... The defense sucked, and none of the stats matter as much as to me as the crappy, ineffective play I witnessed. We can bicker all offseason, but the defense obviously wasn't very good.
John from Riverside Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 Absolutely. Go for it. The season is over. Rex sucked and its a new year and a new opportunity for him to show Bills fans and the NFL him and his brother can still coach. Good for them, hopefully they seize the opportunity and we have our first playoff season in !@#$ing 16 years. Thats the spirit! I don't care about sacks, I care about good defense. Sacks are just an indicator that the defense was creating pressure. But here we are trying to use stats to demonstrate the weaknesses of the defense....F*** it. How is this, just good and direct... The defense sucked, and none of the stats matter as much as to me as the crappy, ineffective play I witnessed. We can bicker all offseason, but the defense obviously wasn't very good. I also dont care about sacks....literally at all QB hits and pressures Turnovers 3 and outs Those are the things I want to see
baskingridgebillsfan Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 Rex coached the defense so well last year that it got worse. His approach was to take what works and bend it to what he wanted to do. If it doesn't then blame the dumb players who couldn't absorb your brilliant concepts. Rex Ryan has an MBA in weasel management. He takes credit for the successes and he blames others for the failures. If you want to believe that Rex did a stellar job coaching last year then go ahead and ignore the stats that demonstrably say otherwise. I may be stupid but I am not gullible. Your statement would be correct if Rex was working with the same roster, since he was at time missing half of the starters from the 14 team your point is moot
The Big Cat Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 I don't care about sacks, I care about good defense. Sacks are just an indicator that the defense was creating pressure. But here we are trying to use stats to demonstrate the weaknesses of the defense....F*** it. How is this, just good and direct... The defense sucked, and none of the stats matter as much as to me as the crappy, ineffective play I witnessed. We can bicker all offseason, but the defense obviously wasn't very good. So do nothing but trust your eyes on the matter?
FireChan Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 Thats the spirit! I also dont care about sacks....literally at all QB hits and pressures Turnovers 3 and outs Those are the things I want to see All three of those things go hand in hand with sacks.
John from Riverside Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 All three of those things go hand in hand with sacks. I consider hits and pressures to be much more valuable then sacks but that is just me
baskingridgebillsfan Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 All three of those things go hand in hand with sacks. not really. Sacks have nothing to do those things.
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