HardyBoy Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 Carr is in the discussion of best college quarterbacks of all time, as is Rogers (less so). What happens to Carr if he gets to sit for four years and play with that online in Green Bay? What if Rogers has to start right away, behind the oline at the time in Houston? Does he do worse than Carr?
Mr. WEO Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 Carr is in the discussion of best college quarterbacks of all time, as is Rogers (less so). What happens to Carr if he gets to sit for four years and play with that online in Green Bay? What if Rogers has to start right away, behind the oline at the time in Houston? Does he do worse than Carr? Huh?
aristocrat Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 he's got the same amount of sb rings as rodgers...ha. it's funny you bring him up cause on another site someone brought up that carr set the completion record against the bills.
LeGOATski Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 Rodgers definitely benefited from sitting behind Favre. However, he always had the ability to be great, obviously. You have to think that if Carr had that ability, including intangibles like work ethic, that he would have eventually made it.
aristocrat Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 Rodgers definitely benefited from sitting behind Favre. However, he always had the ability to be great, obviously. You have to think that if Carr had that ability, including intangibles like work ethic, that he would have eventually made it. He took an absolute beating in houston. He had no o line at any point. He was good in college but he's nowhere near any of the great college qbs.
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 He had a great last year in college. But he also played in the WAC... Cam newton accounted for 50 TDs in the SEC in his 1 season starting - and the team was an undefeated national champion.
Luxy312 Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 It comes down to the fact that David Carr didn't know how to get his throws out early and often where Rodgers does. I don't care if you flip flop their situations. Carr was a hot steaming pile of garbage as a QB.
GunnerBill Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 It comes down to the fact that David Carr didn't know how to get his throws out early and often where Rodgers does. I don't care if you flip flop their situations. Carr was a hot steaming pile of garbage as a QB. He was - but he might have had a better chance not to be if that Houston line had been able to protect him even a little bit. I am not saying he would have been Aaron Rodgers, he almost certainly wouldn't, but when you look at the last 6 or 7 games of this season that Rodgers played you see how much a mess of a line can spook a Quarterback... even a proven great one. This argument is a stretch, but one thing that should be in no doubt is circumstance matters for developing a Quarterback in the NFL. I absolutely believe that the same individual could have a totally different trajectory in two different places.
BarleyNY Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 He took an absolute beating in houston. He had no o line at any point. He was good in college but he's nowhere near any of the great college qbs. Yeah, he couldn't overcome Chris Palmer's coaching and team construction. Palmer imposed upon Carr a career death sentence by defensive mauling - exactly like he did to Couch in Cleveland.
The Jokeman Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 Yeah, he couldn't overcome Chris Palmer's coaching and team construction. Palmer imposed upon Carr a career death sentence by defensive mauling - exactly like he did to Couch in Cleveland. The same Chris Palmer that's part of the Bills' coaching staff http://www.buffalobills.com/team/coaches/palmer-chris/abd87091-3782-4fad-a984-c61f374f91ea
BarleyNY Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) The same Chris Palmer that's part of the Bills' coaching staff http://www.buffalobills.com/team/coaches/palmer-chris/abd87091-3782-4fad-a984-c61f374f91ea Yes it is. Obviously he doesn't have the same power here as when he was head coach in Cleveland or offensive coordinator in Houston. Maybe he's in a role where he can do some good here. Honestly, I had forgotten he was on the staff. Edited February 2, 2016 by BarleyNY
BarleyNY Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 Huh??? The OP is talking about David Carr of the Texans, not his younger brother, Derek Carr, of the Raiders.
GunnerBill Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) Yes it is. Obviously he doesn't have the same power here as when he was head coach in Cleveland or offensive coordinator in Houston. Maybe he's in a role where he can do some good here. Honestly, I had forgotten he was on the staff. Repeated the trick again with Locker in Tennessee too. He runs a very old school drop back and throw deep offense that is ill suited to the modern NFL when pass rushers have the edge over offensive linemen and everyone else is moving to quick passing offenses that get the ball out fast. His lines in Cleveland, Houston and Tennessee were terrible. EDIT: I think his role in Roman's staff is to consult on the passing game. I would actually wager our success with the deep ball this past season had something to do with Palmer. If they keep him away from protection schemes and overall construct of the offense then I am good with him being here. Edited February 2, 2016 by GunnerBill
BarleyNY Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 Repeated the trick again with Locker in Tennessee too. He runs a very old school drop back and throw deep offense that is ill suited to the modern NFL when pass rushers have the edge over offensive linemen and everyone else is moving to quick passing offenses that get the ball out fast. His lines in Cleveland, Houston and Tennessee were terrible. That is all true. I'm not sure what his responsibilities in Buffalo are, but I'd prefer he'd not be big part of TT's development team. Maybe he's learned from the past and is a good coach now, but I do not have confidence in him due to that track record.
Mr. WEO Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 The OP is talking about David Carr of the Texans, not his younger brother, Derek Carr, of the Raiders. The part some of us are having trouble with is: "Carr is in the discussion of best college quarterbacks of all time".
jr1 Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 he'll be living in a room above Derek's garage soon
Gordio Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) The OP is talking about David Carr of the Texans, not his younger brother, Derek Carr, of the Raiders. Yeah I understand but to call David Carr one of the best QBs ever to play college football is a bit of an exaggeration. I mean obviously he was good enough to get drafted #1 overall but come on. He played out at Fresno St. They had a decent team but they were an afterthought in the grand scheme of big time college football. Edited February 2, 2016 by Gordio
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