RyanC883 Posted February 19, 2016 Author Posted February 19, 2016 Using Fanspeak rankings.... 19: R1P19 ILB REGGIE RAGLAND ALABAMA 49: R2P18 DE KEVIN DODD CLEMSON 80: R3P17 G DENVER KIRKLAND ARKANSAS 118: R4P19 WR KENNY LAWLER CALIFORNIA 156: R5P17 DT LUTHER MADDY VIRGINIA TECH 195: R6P17 OT JOE DAHL WASHINGTON STATE CBF I like it. I think Lawler and Maddy could be starters. Great late-round picks. 19: R1P19 DT DEFOREST BUCKNER OREGON 49: R2P18 WR LAQUON TREADWELL OLE MISS 80: R3P17 OLB DEION JONES LSU 118: R4P19 QB DAK PRESCOTT MISSISSIPPI STATE 156: R5P17 S KEVIN BYARD MIDDLE TENN. STATE 195: R6P17 OT SPENCER DRANGO BAYLOR if Treadwell is there in the 2nd, I think the answer is YES. 19: R1P19 DT A'SHAWN ROBINSON ALABAMA 49: R2P18 OLB JOSHUA PERRY OHIO STATE 80: R3P17 K ROBERTO AGUAYO FLORIDA STATE 118: R4P19 DE AZIZ SHITTU STANFORD 156: R5P17 OG GRAHAM GLASGOW MICHIGAN 195: R6P17 S JORDAN LUCAS PENN STATE This wouldn't hurt my feelings at all. A Kicker in the 3rd round. Ah Shittu!
Luxy312 Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 I like it. I think Lawler and Maddy could be starters. Great late-round picks. if Treadwell is there in the 2nd, I think the answer is YES. A Kicker in the 3rd round. Ah Shittu! Couple things on that. First, he's the only kicker worth drafting. Second, I half expect a knee jerk reaction from Rex & company about the kicker situation. If they don't address it in free agency, I could see them drafting the only kicker worth drafting that will be on any draft board.
H2o Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 Using Walter Football's board: 19: R1P19 DT JARRAN REED ALABAMA 49: R2P18 LB JAYLON SMITH NOTRE DAME 80: R3P17 WR WILLIAM FULLER NOTRE DAME 118: R4P19 DT CHRIS JONES MISSISSIPPI STATE 156: R5P17 OT COLE TONER HARVARD 195: R6P17 C ISAAC SEUMALO OREGON STATE
H2o Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 This was using the Draft Geek board: 19: R1P19 WR LAQUON TREADWELL MISSISSIPPI 49: R2P18 DT JARRAN REED ALABAMA 80: R3P17 OLB SCOOBY WRIGHT ARIZONA 118: R4P19 OT TYLER MARZ WISCONSIN 156: R5P17 QB BRANDON DOUGHTY WESTERN KENTUCKY 195: R6P17 OT PEARCE SLATER SAN DIEGO STATE
Luxy312 Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 19: R1P19 OLB SHAQ LAWSON CLEMSON 49: R2P18 DT KENNY CLARK UCLA 80: R3P17 S VONN BELL OHIO ST 118: R4P19 ILB TYLER MATAKEVICH TEMPLE 156: R5P17 DE ROMEO OKWARA NOTRE DAME 195: R6P17 WR KEYARRIS GARRETT TULSA I did another one and have to say I like this more. Used the Draftech board. I'm fairly certain that this will be a defense focused draft.
thebandit27 Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 I used Matt Miller's board (I really like his work), and as I typically do, I ignored anyone that I felt obviously wouldn't be there in that slot (for realism)... 1: R1P19 DT JARRAN REED ALABAMA The 2-gapping run defender that Rex needs up front 2: R2P18 OLB KYLER FACKRELL UTAH STATE Explosive edge defender that makes an ideal fit as a 3-4 rush LB 3: R3P17 OLB DEION JONES LSU Great coverage LB that can play the Will spot next to either Brown or Lawson 4: R4P19 S JUSTIN SIMMONS BOSTON COLLEGE Long, athletic, rangy safety that can play snaps as a rookie 5: R5P17 OT WILLIE BEAVERS WESTERN MICHIGAN Raw tackle prospect that has potential starting RT upside 6: R6P17 QB BRANDON DOUGHTY WESTERN KENTUCKY Developmental QB with quick release and good raw material
GunnerBill Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 (edited) I used Matt Miller's board (I really like his work), and as I typically do, I ignored anyone that I felt obviously wouldn't be there in that slot (for realism)... 1: R1P19 DT JARRAN REED ALABAMA The 2-gapping run defender that Rex needs up front 2: R2P18 OLB KYLER FACKRELL UTAH STATE Explosive edge defender that makes an ideal fit as a 3-4 rush LB 3: R3P17 OLB DEION JONES LSU Great coverage LB that can play the Will spot next to either Brown or Lawson 4: R4P19 S JUSTIN SIMMONS BOSTON COLLEGE Long, athletic, rangy safety that can play snaps as a rookie 5: R5P17 OT WILLIE BEAVERS WESTERN MICHIGAN Raw tackle prospect that has potential starting RT upside 6: R6P17 QB BRANDON DOUGHTY WESTERN KENTUCKY Developmental QB with quick release and good raw material I'd sign for that draft. I'm not a Doughty fan from the little bits I've seen and would probably have other developmental guys there but I'd be very happy 1-5. EDIT: On the realism point I'd be shocked if Jones is still there. I really like him and I can even see him sneaking into the end of the first. Edited February 19, 2016 by GunnerBill
thebandit27 Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 I'd sign for that draft. I'm not a Doughty fan from the little bits I've seen and would probably have other developmental guys there but I'd be very happy 1-5. EDIT: On the realism point I'd be shocked if Jones is still there. I really like him and I can even see him sneaking into the end of the first. I struggled with whether or not Jones will be there as well. I didn't see it as totally outlandish, since I think he's not a 1st rounder, and the value in the 2nd really appears to be in the safety, WR, and DL positions, so I figured it's possible he falls. I really want one of those coverage LBs. We don't pick high enough to get Jack or Smith, so I think if we want one we may have to pick Cravens or Jones in round 2.
GunnerBill Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 I struggled with whether or not Jones will be there as well. I didn't see it as totally outlandish, since I think he's not a 1st rounder, and the value in the 2nd really appears to be in the safety, WR, and DL positions, so I figured it's possible he falls. I mocked him to Green Bay at the end of the first round. I think they need a versatile linebacker with speed who can cover and can rush the passer. It was a bit of a reach for need - I think the second round is his natural landing spot - but it is by far Green Bay's biggest need for me and he would be a very good fit.
thebandit27 Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 I mocked him to Green Bay at the end of the first round. I think they need a versatile linebacker with speed who can cover and can rush the passer. It was a bit of a reach for need - I think the second round is his natural landing spot - but it is by far Green Bay's biggest need for me and he would be a very good fit. Definitely Green Bay's biggest need--they have to get Matthews back outside opposite Peppers. They could also use a NT to replace Raji, who I don't see them paying after giving Mike Daniels astronomical money and re-signing Guion for $3.5M+ per
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 19: R1P19 OLB JAYLON SMITH NOTRE DAME 49: R2P18 DE SHILIQUE CALHOUN MICHIGAN STATE 80: R3P17 WR PHAROH COOPER SOUTH CAROLINA 118: R4P19 OT/G SPENCER DRANGO BAYLOR 156: R5P17 QB CARDALE JONES OHIO STATE 195: R6P17 DT D.J. READER CLEMSON
BADOLBILZ Posted February 22, 2016 Posted February 22, 2016 I used Matt Miller's board (I really like his work), and as I typically do, I ignored anyone that I felt obviously wouldn't be there in that slot (for realism)... 1: R1P19 DT JARRAN REED ALABAMA The 2-gapping run defender that Rex needs up front 2: R2P18 OLB KYLER FACKRELL UTAH STATE Explosive edge defender that makes an ideal fit as a 3-4 rush LB 3: R3P17 OLB DEION JONES LSU Great coverage LB that can play the Will spot next to either Brown or Lawson 4: R4P19 S JUSTIN SIMMONS BOSTON COLLEGE Long, athletic, rangy safety that can play snaps as a rookie 5: R5P17 OT WILLIE BEAVERS WESTERN MICHIGAN Raw tackle prospect that has potential starting RT upside 6: R6P17 QB BRANDON DOUGHTY WESTERN KENTUCKY Developmental QB with quick release and good raw material I think the first pick fails a critical test that, IMO, all first and second round picks must pass, which is: If they play to their ceiling, would you pay them their worth when they hit free agency? I think the answer with Reed is probably no. 2 gap run defenders with modest pass rush skills are pretty replaceable. You pay the players who drive the passing game and shut down the opposing passing game. Also, I like Fackrell as a 3-4 OLB prospect but I don't know that he is scheme versatile to the point that he would be worth a big second contract if you switched back to a 4-3.
GunnerBill Posted February 22, 2016 Posted February 22, 2016 I think the first pick fails a critical test that, IMO, all first and second round picks must pass, which is: If they play to their ceiling, would you pay them their worth when they hit free agency? I think the answer with Reed is probably no. 2 gap run defenders with modest pass rush skills are pretty replaceable. This is fair I think. I think his ceiling probably has him right on the yes / no boderline of that question but I take the point. I suppose the question is would there be anyone at 19 who meets that? I am not sure there will.... I know your answer in that case then BADOL is take a Quarterback. If they reached and took Cook at #19 I would be ok with that actually.
BADOLBILZ Posted February 22, 2016 Posted February 22, 2016 This is fair I think. I think his ceiling probably has him right on the yes / no boderline of that question but I take the point. I suppose the question is would there be anyone at 19 who meets that? I am not sure there will.... I know your answer in that case then BADOL is take a Quarterback. If they reached and took Cook at #19 I would be ok with that actually. Drafting for this years needs is a pretty good recipe for long term failure. When you pass on elite talent to patch holes or just to draft an obligatory DB, that is how you end up with Cyrus Kouandjio instead of Kony Ealy and Ross Cockrell instead of Martavis Bryant in the very deep 2014 draft. If you aren't going to pick a QB in round 1, get the best player that you can at a high impact/premium position.
thebandit27 Posted February 22, 2016 Posted February 22, 2016 Drafting for this years needs is a pretty good recipe for long term failure. When you pass on elite talent to patch holes or just to draft an obligatory DB, that is how you end up with Cyrus Kouandjio instead of Kony Ealy and Ross Cockrell instead of Martavis Bryant in the very deep 2014 draft. If you aren't going to pick a QB in round 1, get the best player that you can at a high impact/premium position. What you're describing is basically how I ended up with Reed in the FanSpeak mock. I wanted one of the LBs or Spence. All of them were gone (including Darron Lee). The reason I settled on Reed above any of the other impact defenders is that he is versatile. He can play either a 1-gap or 2-gap scheme, play over the nose, push the pocket a bit, etc. I honestly don't like the 19 slot. I think it's a bit low for the top group of impact defenders, and a bit high for the next crop. I'm hoping that a few teams get foolish about defensive backs given the relative shallow crop of top-end talents this year and overdraft them, dropping one of the top-15 guys in our lap.
BADOLBILZ Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 What you're describing is basically how I ended up with Reed in the FanSpeak mock. I wanted one of the LBs or Spence. All of them were gone (including Darron Lee). The reason I settled on Reed above any of the other impact defenders is that he is versatile. He can play either a 1-gap or 2-gap scheme, play over the nose, push the pocket a bit, etc. I honestly don't like the 19 slot. I think it's a bit low for the top group of impact defenders, and a bit high for the next crop. I'm hoping that a few teams get foolish about defensive backs given the relative shallow crop of top-end talents this year and overdraft them, dropping one of the top-15 guys in our lap. I just don't see him as a guy who is going to be consistently disruptive against the pass......which pretty much excludes him from first round consideration, IMO. The critique of drafting for need was in response to comments of GunnerBill not your mock draft. As always, I'd pick the best QB available. Short of having a great QB........your roster had better be rich with talent. You can always patch 3-4 DE in free agency. Guys like Reed turn into guys like Chris Canty or Dwan Edwards who end up moving around a lot. That's not to say he won't be a valuable player and last 10 years in the league........but you don't need to draft that guy in round 1. You draft the types of talent early that you can't get....or afford.....in free agency.
GunnerBill Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) Drafting for this years needs is a pretty good recipe for long term failure. When you pass on elite talent to patch holes or just to draft an obligatory DB, that is how you end up with Cyrus Kouandjio instead of Kony Ealy and Ross Cockrell instead of Martavis Bryant in the very deep 2014 draft. If you aren't going to pick a QB in round 1, get the best player that you can at a high impact/premium position. I don't disagree with any of that. My points were: 1. I like Reed a bit better than you but I accept it is a 50/50 as to whether I think he meets the key 2nd contract question. 2. I am not sure there will be a indisputable top player at a premium position. 3. I know you would go QB in that scenario and if they did (pretty sure Cook would be the best left) then I'd be happy with that. I never suggested the Bills should draft for need in the 1st. I honestly think Reed might be BPA at that point. But I repeat I would be ok with them going QB. Edited February 23, 2016 by GunnerBill
Pete Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 (edited) 19: R1P19 DT ROBERT NKEMDICHE OLE MISS 49: R2P18 DT VERNON BUTLER LOUISIANA TECH 80: R3P17 OLB SU'A CRAVENS SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA 118: R4P19 OLB KAMALEI CORREA BOISE STATE 156: R5P17 CB FABIAN MOREAU UCLA 195: R6P17 WR DEVON CAJUSTE STANFORD Edited February 23, 2016 by Pete
Astrobot Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 Premium OTC, with trades: (I ignore the recommended needs, as Bills will fill LB spot with FA, they need RT more than OG, and S more than CB) 1: R1P19 OT JASON SPRIGGS --top OL Sr. Bowl, lateral quicks (former TE), can get to 2nd level, quick study, allowed 1 pressure in 437 snaps, most LT upside INDIANA 2: R2P18 WR MICHAEL THOMAS --6'3", 210, possession WR, feet, solid to work middle, tough, my-ball mentality, dependable, Keyshawn's nephew, athletic, YAC OHIO STATE 3: R3P29 DT ANTHONY ZETTEL --the reason Nassib is even considered a first rounder is Zettel and Austin Johnson. We get one of them. PENN STATE 4: R4P28 K ROBERTO AGUAYO --Most impact on the score in this round. FLORIDA STATE 5: R5P17 TE TYLER HIGBEE --My favorite TE in the draft not named Hunter. Good blocks, a mid-major like Clay was, size, frame, length WESTERN KENTUCKY 6: R6P10 DE AZIZ SHITTU --1st team All-PAC12, Rose Bowl DMVP, quickness, penetrator, disruptor, needs strength program. Watch game vs Iowa STANFORD 7: R6P21 DE OLB JAMES COWSER--Experience dropping into coverage from DE spot SOUTHERN UTAH 8: R6P24 QB KEVIN HOGAN--sit him and have David Lee work with him. STANFORD
BADOLBILZ Posted February 23, 2016 Posted February 23, 2016 I don't disagree with any of that. My points were: 1. I like Reed a bit better than you but I accept it is a 50/50 as to whether I think he meets the key 2nd contract question. 2. I am not sure there will be a indisputable top player at a premium position. 3. I know you would go QB in that scenario and if they did (pretty sure Cook would be the best left) then I'd be happy with that. I never suggested the Bills should draft for need in the 1st. I honestly think Reed might be BPA at that point. But I repeat I would be ok with them going QB. Just to be clear with those unfamiliar with this player Jarran Reed: He recorded 1 sack in 15 games in 2015. For a career total of 2 sacks in 29 games. Stats don't tell the whole story but......no stats? I wasn't implying that you were for drafting for this years needs.......I was just discussing draft approach in response to your post. I saw in another thread a fan on TSW wants to trade next years first round pick for extra top 60 picks this year so that the Bills can patch defensive holes.
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