Nick the Greek Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Vegas had a great XFL franchise. HE HATE ME? Classic.
jumbalaya Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Johnny Manziel can wear his helmut as a disguise when the Browns play there.
Rubes Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 I've never fully understood the concern about having gambling establishments in relative proximity to an NFL team stadium. Also, isn't Phoenix really !@#$ing hot, too?
White Linen Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 We were in Vegas last spring (not for the first time) visiting some friends who have moved there permanently. They are quite wealthy and moved there from California for lower state taxes. They are not alone. We toured the city with them and saw how the well off locals live, going to their clubs and off the strip restaurants. I completely understand where you're coming from. But I still doubt that they have the wealth, economic diversity and corporate sponsorships that would be needed. They don't have Canadian fans or Rochester right up the road. Yes, you can get around the heat with a dome (you'd have to), but there are a lot of other reasons I just don't see it. Being associated with the gambling capital of North America is one of them. Having said all that, it wouldn't be the first time I was ever wrong. I'm not saying I'm right by any means - I just think it's possible it could be a viable market. I've been in Charlotte NC since they got the Panthers and I've seen a transformation from a city with locals having allegiances to out of town teams and out of town people loyal to their home town teams. So from that point of view corporate entities will come around as local support does. However your other points are certainly reasons it could be a problem and I recognize that too.
Chandler#81 Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 There is absolutely zero chance 24 owners sign off on an NFL team in Sin City. So when someone responds and says Mark Davis can pull one of his dad's move, the NFL counter is they make the schedule and refuse not even one pre-season or regular season game there. This will absolutely never happen. I did love the comment that Vegas is slightly hotter than the sun and so true. Good one Augie. I disagree, MGK. MLB has a Triple A team there, (from Tampa or Miami), Bettman has a re-lo on his desk for an NHL team. It will be the next HockeyTown. The territory they're looking at today adjoins UNLV -so there'd be no issue with being connected to a casino. London has legal betting and the League has mor & more games playing there. There is no issue with gambling. As for fan base, I think you're confusing northern teams with warm weather cities. Dolphins, Buccaneers, heck! even Panthers don't have an avid fan base -unless they're winning. Vegas Raiders. I like the sound the sound of it!
PlayoffsPlease Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 The Las Vegas Raiders has a nice ring to it. With the Rams in Los Angeles now, there are just too many teams in California. That being said, with all the gambling that takes places in Las Vegas, would that be an issue when locating an NFL franchise there? It's deserving of an NFL franchise far more than Oakland, which is known for...um, what exactly? It is best known for being one of the founding cities of an AFL football team. Sort of like Buffalo.
BarleyNY Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 I've never fully understood the concern about having gambling establishments in relative proximity to an NFL team stadium. Also, isn't Phoenix really !@#$ing hot, too? It's probably more about perception than anything else. It looks fishy to have a major sports franchise in Vegas due to the perception that it would be easy to fix games. In reality games can be fixed anywhere (obviously), but anything odd would be questioned much more if it happened in Vegas or involving a Vegas team. In short, the NFL doesn't much care about the game being dirty, but they certainly want to avoid the APPEARANCE of game being dirty. Avoiding putting a team in Vegas is certainly an easy way to avoid the latter.
Agent 91 Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Houston and Miami are worse than vegas. The old "dry heat" saying is valid. Only problem with your mention of houston is they have a dome
papazoid Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 NFL to vegas ?? ......won't happen anytime soon. the Raiders can forget about it....... San Antonio makes way more sense for the Raiders......bonus: colors already match the spurs.
Agent 91 Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 We were in Vegas last spring (not for the first time) visiting some friends who have moved there permanently. They are quite wealthy and moved there from California for lower state taxes. They are not alone. We toured the city with them and saw how the well off locals live, going to their clubs and off the strip restaurants. I completely understand where you're coming from. But I still doubt that they have the wealth, economic diversity and corporate sponsorships that would be needed. They don't have Canadian fans or Rochester right up the road. Yes, you can get around the heat with a dome (you'd have to), but there are a lot of other reasons I just don't see it. Being associated with the gambling capital of North America is one of them. Having said all that, it wouldn't be the first time I was ever wrong. I beg to differ. It's like opening the oven on Thanksgiving day to check the bird.....and that hot dry air blasts you in the face preventing you from breathing. When it's humid you just sweat and stay hydrated (I lived in SW Florida for 18 years). But in Vegas it would be 110 degrees by 9:30-10:00 am and you couldn't even sit by the pool. This is I guess a matter of personal preference. Turns out that heat and only 4-8% humidity makes it hard for me to breath. And now I'll step away for awhile so others can discuss their preferred climates. Ill bite. I would much rather sit in dallas 115 heat than a 97 degree day on Buffalo. I didnt believe in the difference before i went to Phoenix and Dallas.
Augie Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Ill bite. I would much rather sit in dallas 115 heat than a 97 degree day on Buffalo. I didnt believe in the difference before i went to Phoenix and Dallas. As I said, it's a matter of personal preference. I found 112 degrees in Vegas to be chokingly hot and actually wished for some humidity to breath. Maybe that was because I had come from steamy Florida. Regardless, they would need a dome, but you won't catch me standing over the grill at the tail gate (though it might be cooler there?). Yes, hot places also have teams. And it is a factor there. I do think San Antonio makes more sense without doing any real research to support that opinion.
dpberr Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 The Raiders should go to San Antonio. Makes more sense to me.
Mr. WEO Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 I'll look up some information to back up my theory, but if you're telling me there's less people with money to buy an NFL ticket in Las Vegas vs a city like Buffalo (one with an NFL team that's supported) - I'm going to have to disagree with you. The economy has changed dramatically over the last 10 years. I think you're getting confused with the Las Vegas strip and the entirety of Clark County. Yes---dramatically worse. LV is a huge boom/bust town over the past 10 years. Massively overbuilt and awash in never-sold units and empty hotel rooms. LV now has the 2nd highest foreclosure rate in the country. That town is dying. It will always be a tourist trap, but the rest of it is rotting away. The only people who will go to games are out of towners who would use the stadium/team as another tourist attraction. No way the owners will see this as a viable option. I'm betting they all see Davis as a clown and they aren't going to lift a finger to help him out. I bet even Goodell is chuckling at this latest Mark Davis publicity stunt.
Monday Morning Warrior Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Listen, I LIVE in LasVegas. This would be a viable option. They are hellbent on getting a major sports team here, whether it be the NFL or the NHL. Yes, its hot in the summer...BUT...a retractable roof will work besides are we playing football in July and August here??? NO... Vegas has a lot to offer and talk about sports ravaged fans...the lines at the Sports Books every week are outrageous. Gambling happens EVERYWHERE...just because it's Vegas doesn't mean they will be throwing games...geesh. I say bring it on the Las Vegas Intruders...I'm a Bills fan to the end, but it would be great to go see them play the LV Team!!
Nanker Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 I've never fully understood the concern about having gambling establishments in relative proximity to an NFL team stadium. Also, isn't Phoenix really !@#$ing hot, too? Well, gambling only goes on in Las Vegas. Everybody knows that. I wonder how UNLV is able to have a football team with it being so hot out there. Just doesn't make cents.
SF Bills Fan Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 The NFL will never allow a team inVegas. Davis should monitor the Chargers situation and move there if the Chargers go to LA. San Diego is a good market that deserves a team no matter what. Though, it would be odd for San Diego fans to suddenly be a fan of a former division rival. It would be like Bills fan suddenly rooting for the Jets
Fadingpain Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 The Las Vegas Raiders has a nice ring to it. With the Rams in Los Angeles now, there are just too many teams in California. That being said, with all the gambling that takes places in Las Vegas, would that be an issue when locating an NFL franchise there? It's deserving of an NFL franchise far more than Oakland, which is known for...um, what exactly? Crime, lack of education, economic depression. That sort of thing.
chris heff Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 After the debacle that was the 2007 NBA All Star game, I really felt that there would never be any professional sports team in Las Vegas.
papazoid Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 The NFL will never allow a team inVegas. Davis should monitor the Chargers situation and move there if the Chargers go to LA. San Diego is a good market that deserves a team no matter what. Though, it would be odd for San Diego fans to suddenly be a fan of a former division rival. It would be like Bills fan suddenly rooting for the Jets it would be shocking if san diego allowed a 3rd team in southern cal market. i say san diego accepts L.A. but doesn't partner or rent from Kroenke......san diego builds their own stadium somewhere between LA & san diego......market themselves as So Cal Chargers.
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