Tiberius Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Yes he is. He is a true Conservative. Not only is the Conservative base supporting him but his heated, hateful rhetoric is what has fueled the Republican "Southern Strategy" since the 1970's. Its just that the White Majority is shrinking and therefore the base is smaller so the race to the bottom to catch all these people in one net requires a Trump level of hatefulness The base never really cared about tax cuts--unless it was somehow, confusingly, tied to cutting welfare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Yes he is. He is a true Conservative. Not only is the Conservative base supporting him but his heated, hateful rhetoric is what has fueled the Republican "Southern Strategy" since the 1970's. Its just that the White Majority is shrinking and therefore the base is smaller so the race to the bottom to catch all these people in one net requires a Trump level of hatefulness The base never really cared about tax cuts--unless it was somehow, confusingly, tied to cutting welfare. Who is more hateful, trump or Obama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Who is more hateful, trump or Obama? That's quite the choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) Yes he is. He is a true Conservative. Not only is the Conservative base supporting him but his heated, hateful rhetoric is what has fueled the Republican "Southern Strategy" since the 1970's. Its just that the White Majority is shrinking and therefore the base is smaller so the race to the bottom to catch all these people in one net requires a Trump level of hatefulness The base never really cared about tax cuts--unless it was somehow, confusingly, tied to cutting welfare. Wrong as usual. Donald Trump has espoused big government liberal policy preference for years. The Trump phenomenon is nothing more the the Ven overlapping of "angry stupid people" and "xenophobic nativists", support coming from those who identify with not just Republicans, but also Democrats, and Independents. Edited January 25, 2016 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Wrong as usual. Donald Trump has espoused big government liberal policy preference for years. The Trump phenomenon is nothing more the the Ven overlapping of "angry stupid people" and "xenophobic nativists". And the point is, "True Conservatives" don't give a crap about big/small government unless it helps "them," i.e. welfare recipients or immigrants. Millions of Conservatives are alive today because of Medicare. Conservatives ARE angry stupid people and xenophobic nativist. Hello! Who is more hateful, trump or Obama? Obama? Explain that one please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 And the point is, "True Conservatives" don't give a crap about big/small government unless it helps "them," i.e. welfare recipients or immigrants. Millions of Conservatives are alive today because of Medicare. Conservatives ARE angry stupid people and xenophobic nativist. Hello! There are plenty of angry stupid people and xenophobic nativists in the Republican party, just as there are in the Democratic Party, just as there are amongst Independents; which is why Trumps supports comes in large percentages from all three of those groups. As to the rest, it would serve you well to stop being intellectually dishonest abut the differences between "conservatives" and republicans" as well as taxation stances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 There are plenty of angry stupid people and xenophobic nativists in the Republican party, just as there are in the Democratic Party, just as there are amongst Independents; which is why Trumps supports comes in large percentages from all three of those groups. As to the rest, it would serve you well to stop being intellectually dishonest abut the differences between "conservatives" and republicans" as well as taxation stances. Trumps supporters are the regular Conservative base Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Trumps supporters are the regular Conservative base Bare assertion fallacy. The truth is that all polling data suggests otherwise, and does so in no uncertain terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Bare assertion fallacy. The truth is that all polling data suggests otherwise, and does so in no uncertain terms. prove it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) prove it As you're the one making the positive assertion, the burden of proof falls to you, as is required by formal logic. You said this: Yes he is. He is a true Conservative. Not only is the Conservative base supporting him but his heated, hateful rhetoric is what has fueled the Republican "Southern Strategy" since the 1970's. Its just that the White Majority is shrinking and therefore the base is smaller so the race to the bottom to catch all these people in one net requires a Trump level of hatefulness The base never really cared about tax cuts--unless it was somehow, confusingly, tied to cutting welfare. So, you can stand there, making an illogical argument and thereby forfeit; or you can prove your claims. I'll save you the time though. The polling data demonstrating the complete wrongness of your position has already been posted on the sub-forum many times. Edited January 25, 2016 by TakeYouToTasker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 TYTT............... He may not know conservatism, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. The HillVerified account @thehill 39m39 minutes ago Trump crashes at Holiday Inn Express: "Good mattress, staff was great, good mattress" http://hill.cm/rlAesfJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 TYTT............... He may not know conservatism, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Did he deport the maid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 There are obviously more Republicans than Democrats in Trump's coalition even though, yes, he does have crossover appeal. lol, why is that even a debate? As for whether he's conservative, the answer is No, based on how "conservatism" is commonly understood in this country. But Trump is very right-wing, similar to Europe's far-right candidates. It's one of those things where Rubio is more conservative than Trump, but Trump is more right-wing than Rubio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 There are obviously more Republicans than Democrats in Trump's coalition even though, yes, he does have crossover appeal. lol, why is that even a debate? As for whether he's conservative, the answer is No, based on how "conservatism" is commonly understood in this country. But Trump is very right-wing, similar to Europe's far-right candidates. It's one of those things where Rubio is more conservative than Trump, but Trump is more right-wing than Rubio. On a political compass the far left and far right sit directly next to each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Probably the same thing that happened to him when he tried to be a casino mogul and had to face people across the table who could care less about his bluster. He's an intellectual lightweight and is a class A huckster. Once the bluster wears off, there's worse than an empty suit. So W gets a third term then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 On a political compass the far left and far right sit directly next to each other. Ah yes, the retarded "horseshoe theory" The Right-Left spectrum gets misused a lot but it's really just about where you stand with regard to egalitarianism. The original right-wingers were pro-monarchy, and so from that standpoint, they probably see most Americans as left-wingers since I assume most believe in a representative republic. American conservatism is actually left-wing in many ways. Cuckservatives like you think that brown and black people across the world are "natural conservatives." Take Somalia, give them a copy of the U.S. Constitution and some videos of Milton Friedman, let simmer for 100 years, and it'll be exactly like America. That's why we should totally import lots of Somalis into places like Minnesota where they'll totally vote Republican one day, lol. Natural conservatives, just like Mexicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Ah yes, the retarded "horseshoe theory" The Right-Left spectrum gets misused a lot but it's really just about where you stand with regard to egalitarianism. The original right-wingers were pro-monarchy, and so from that standpoint, they probably see most Americans as left-wingers since I assume most believe in a representative republic. American conservatism is actually left-wing in many ways. Cuckservatives like you think that brown and black people across the world are "natural conservatives." Take Somalia, give them a copy of the U.S. Constitution and some videos of Milton Friedman, let simmer for 100 years, and it'll be exactly like America. That's why we should totally import lots of Somalis into places like Minnesota where they'll totally vote Republican one day, lol. Natural conservatives, just like Mexicans. Is stupid racist redundant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 Ah yes, the retarded "horseshoe theory" The Right-Left spectrum gets misused a lot but it's really just about where you stand with regard to egalitarianism. The original right-wingers were pro-monarchy, and so from that standpoint, they probably see most Americans as left-wingers since I assume most believe in a representative republic. American conservatism is actually left-wing in many ways. Cuckservatives like you think that brown and black people across the world are "natural conservatives." Take Somalia, give them a copy of the U.S. Constitution and some videos of Milton Friedman, let simmer for 100 years, and it'll be exactly like America. That's why we should totally import lots of Somalis into places like Minnesota where they'll totally vote Republican one day, lol. Natural conservatives, just like Mexicans. There is so much stupid in this post. First of all, the political spectrum is not linear, it's an x/y axis of economic and social preferences. As far as the rest of it goes, it's amazing to me that you attribute political leanings to DNA as sorted by race; rather than examining the history of the world, and understanding that America's classically liberal cultural history is due to the meeting of several sets of highly unlikely circumstances which divorced it from the rest of the world in terms of national politics. America was settled by highly adventurous frontiersmen, who were essentially gifted the continent by the prior residents whom were largely agrarian nomads offering little in terms of defending the overwhelming majority of their land from conquest. Around these settlers a rugged individualism grew as a natural culture, given the geographic distance from the ruling class, the protestant religious leanings of the settlers, as well as the budding philosophy of the day. Winning the Revolutionary War secured these ideals as uniquely American in practice. European and Asian nations still found themselves under the rule of their various monarchies and empires, and other colonial states did not reap the benefits of throwing of the yoke of their rulers. As history progressed, the Oceans insulated America from much of the tidal wave of authoritarianism that swept over all of Europe and Asia. Were not here because of our DNA metering out racial superiority. We're here because of geography and good fortune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 So W gets a third term then? But this wacko is all on his own. Bush was a dunce controlled by the neocon warriors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozymandius Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 lol, such a long post. I'll have to reply in sections. First of all, the political spectrum is not linear, it's an x/y axis of economic and social preferences. First, you do realize that there are probably a dozen different representations of the political spectrum, right? None of them has the authority to call itself the "correct" one. I'm a traditionalist that likes to use the original left-right spectrum where left means egalitarian and the right opposes that. I can deal with modern representations of the spectrum as long as it maintains the egalitarian aspect of it as central. See, I'm almost certain that you're the type of libertarian / conservative who would say that Hitler is left-wing. Am I wrong about that? I bet you I pegged you right, didn't I? If Hitler is left-wing, then left and right means nothing anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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