Deranged Rhino Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Star Trek managed to do it, can we? This is new to me, and I'm posting it here without endorsing it. I've been forwarded this video by a half a dozen people (of surprisingly varying political stripes) over the past week. No idea why this 2 year old clip is suddenly popular (Sanders effect maybe?) but I felt like it'd be fun to put down here in the dungeon to get your reactions. It's 14 minutes long, filled with idealism to the extreme.
DC Tom Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Star Trek managed to do it, can we? This is new to me, and I'm posting it here without endorsing it. I've been forwarded this video by a half a dozen people (of surprisingly varying political stripes) over the past week. No idea why this 2 year old clip is suddenly popular (Sanders effect maybe?) but I felt like it'd be fun to put down here in the dungeon to get your reactions. It's 14 minutes long, filled with idealism to the extreme. http://youtu.be/SZQolZvTyKk?t=27
Azalin Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 I wonder if he was a paid speaker at that event.
TakeYouToTasker Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Gregg, come over here so I can punch you in the mouth.
Deranged Rhino Posted January 20, 2016 Author Posted January 20, 2016 Gregg, come over here so I can punch you in the mouth. It would be deserved Though I'll restate I'm NOT endorsing this, merely amused at how often it's shown up in my inbox. I wonder if he was a paid speaker at that event. I'm guessing yes... but of course he then burned the cash per his principles.
B-Man Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 A world without money May I borrow that for my autobiography title ? .
Deranged Rhino Posted January 20, 2016 Author Posted January 20, 2016 A world without money May I borrow that for my autobiography title ? . Done!
/dev/null Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 Star Trek managed to do it, can we? Okay but seriously Alright, I'll bite. In Star Trek money was abolished after warp drive and humanity was able to travel the stars So you go ahead and get started on figuring out that hole faster than the speed of light thing. Then we'll talk about abolishing money
4merper4mer Posted January 20, 2016 Posted January 20, 2016 How would chicks pay me for convincing them Beerboy was desirable and then commissioning him to have sex with them? I didn't click on your stupid link but if that guy says bitcoin I swear to God.....
Deranged Rhino Posted January 20, 2016 Author Posted January 20, 2016 Okay but seriously Alright, I'll bite. In Star Trek money was abolished after warp drive and humanity was able to travel the stars So you go ahead and get started on figuring out that hole faster than the speed of light thing. Then we'll talk about abolishing money I've been working on it, though I'm pretty certain we're able to travel to the stars today. We just aren't allowed to know about it.
GG Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Money is just a form of establishing a value for something. You can abolish money when you devalue everything. Anything else is just another name for money.
Chef Jim Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Gregg, come over here so I can punch you in the mouth. Get off your lazy and go punch him in the mouth.
FireChan Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Okay but seriously Alright, I'll bite. In Star Trek money was abolished after warp drive and humanity was able to travel the stars So you go ahead and get started on figuring out that hole faster than the speed of light thing. Then we'll talk about abolishing money I thought it was once they made that machine that made anything out of nothing? The Replicator? Money is just a form of establishing a value for something. You can abolish money when you devalue everything. Anything else is just another name for money. That's where the Replicator comes into play. Greggy's onto something here.
/dev/null Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 I thought it was once they made that machine that made anything out of nothing? The Replicator? We already have that. It's called the Federal Reserve
Chef Jim Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 We already have that. It's called the Federal Reserve Oh !@#$....here we go again.
DC Tom Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 Oh !@#$....here we go again. Well...the Fed is an agency of Starfleet...
unbillievable Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) Star Trek has money, like gold pressed latinum, but the rest of the time, they revert to a barter system; not exactly utopian economics. At Sisko's creole restaurant on Earth, what does his father pay the waiters? How does a person get a table? Who gets all of the Picard family wine? Just because they don't use "money", doesn't mean there isn't an exchange of value. What do you think a person from the 1800's would think of a credit card? He'll probably think that we abolished money. This discussion is held at many sci-fi conventions and the consensus always returns to the fact that in order for Star Trek to sustain it's economic model, there must exist an unseen SLAVE class doing all work. (Which was addressed when Voyager showed the Doctor's hologram brethren working in dilithium mines.) http://capitalismmagazine.com/2002/08/franciscos-money-speech/ Edited January 21, 2016 by unbillievable
unbillievable Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 (edited) The OP's video is quite possibly the most naive' presentation I've ever watched. His entire premise hinges on every person on the planet being absolutely equal. Everyone must look the same, think the same, experience the same life, etc. ANY variation and the model falls apart. -if one clone were to wear out his shoes 1 second earlier than the rest, it would create every single problem he believed was caused by "money". Crime. Envy. Greed. Gluttony. Hoarding. Hierarchy. Even if he were to find a drone populated planet, it would still fall apart because his solution relies on the the Underpants Gnome Business model: step 1: work 3hrs a week step 2: ??? step 3: unlimited abundant resources for everyone! I think that video makes everyone who watches it dumber. Edited January 21, 2016 by unbillievable
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