machine gun kelly Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 I was getting sick of him after the second year, but without knowing a lot of information that has come out since other than rumors when he was here, I thought we needed continuity as well. Every bottom feeder team turns over their coaches, QB's, and mgmt, every couple of years. It gets old. In the end, I see the value in him gone, but the Bills just made a serious mistake with a snake oil salesman wooing us with his big talk. It sucks as we'll have another coaching staff after next year. I just hope we keep Whaley. He's made more good decisions than bad, and that would help in continuity. If he blows it on the next hire, it's on him. I think he was under immense pressure from Brandon this time.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 Not defending Marrone, but if being a prick disqualified people from being in the league, take Belichiks rings, Polans HOF blazer, Jim harbaughs wins, Shulas undefeated season. Not saying anal maniacal micromanagerial prick is the way to go either but it certainly isn't obstructive to success Oh, no, not at all. Plenty of successful pricks. Thing is, some folks mistake being a micromanagerial prick as being bound for success. You have to be a brilliant driven football mind to be a successful micromanagerial prick. Just being the latter won't get you the former. I think it's also true that most of the successful amm's keep it under wraps or on a leash until they achieve a certain level of success. I don't think he was smart at all. If he had stuck around and been fired, the Bills would have been on the hook for the remainder of his contract, minus any offsets he gets from future employment. But other teams wouldn't be looking at him in such a negative light if he'd been fired as opposed to quitting. I think by now he realizes walking away was the biggest mistake of his career. He probably got around $1.8 mil after taxes not enough to live the rest of his life off of at all. Heh. $1.8M after taxes, 4.5% cut is $81,000. Plenty of folks on this board (and across WNY) would like to live for the rest of their lives on $81,000 a year. Plus if he had smart investment advice he shoulda kept more.
Mikie2times Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 This is all about him quitting, IMO. You just generate such bad blood with everyone doing something like that. It's poisoned everything about him and really taints people's perspective. He really does just need to go back to college and re-establish some trust. That's it. Even in the normal job market if you held a high position, quit before you established yourself, then applied for another similar role, I just don't see it going well. You gave up on exactly what you're seeking. You also put your employer in a difficult position when you quit. Marrone made a very poor judgement call on how this would play out and that's on him. I don't think the scenario requires hindsight to see things going this way.
White Linen Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 Not defending Marrone, but if being a prick disqualified people from being in the league, take Belichiks rings, Polans HOF blazer, Jim harbaughs wins, Shulas undefeated season. Not saying anal maniacal micromanagerial prick is the way to go either but it certainly isn't obstructive to success You can be a prick but the men have to follow you too. Some coaches the players love some the players don't but the good ones on either side of that get respected by their players. That never happened for Marrone.
4merper4mer Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 You can be a prick but the men have to follow you too. Some coaches the players love some the players don't but the good ones on either side of that get respected by their players. That never happened for Marrone. Sounds sorta like Greggo. .
It's in My Blood Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 A couple of my buddies do the nets for the bills and part of their job is locker room cleanout after the game....dougie drank Landshark beers. That's all you need to know about that guy. Ha! 😂
Bill from NYC Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 Marrone was a bad hire. He was a Brandon crony from Syracuse. They served on some sort of committee together. St. Doug came to town as unqualified, and his "coaching tree" consisted of rank amateurs. This was obvious from day 1. The Marrone hire was pure cronyism, but folks on this board have denied this for a long time. Few posters seem to be critical of Brandon to this day. Whaley is the latest sacred cow. He seemingly can do no wrong. In fact, the Ryan Brothers seem to have hired themselves.
eball Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 That's it. Even in the normal job market if you held a high position, quit before you established yourself, then applied for another similar role, I just don't see it going well. You gave up on exactly what you're seeking. You also put your employer in a difficult position when you quit. Marrone made a very poor judgement call on how this would play out and that's on him. I don't think the scenario requires hindsight to see things going this way. Yep. Some of us opined way back when the Saint first opted out that he wouldn't get another HC job any time soon and were belittled by those who claimed taking the payout was the "smart decision." When there are only 32 of these jobs in the world, there's just no explanation for walking out on one of them the way Moron did -- particularly when there was so much positive energy being built in Buffalo with the Pegula acquisition. To those of you who respond, "Mularkey," I remind you that the scenario is much different. Mularkey did pay the price for quitting and was relegated to assistant coaching purgatory for a number of years, but has regularly been given opportunities. The key differences? No payout, Mularkey isn't an a-hole, and Mularkey didn't burn bridges or interview for every HC job immediately after walking out. The Bills' FO at the time was also a mess, which was widely known. Marrone was a bad hire. He was a Brandon crony from Syracuse. They served on some sort of committee together. St. Doug came to town as unqualified, and his "coaching tree" consisted of rank amateurs. This was obvious from day 1. The Marrone hire was pure cronyism, but folks on this board have denied this for a long time. Few posters seem to be critical of Brandon to this day. Whaley is the latest sacred cow. He seemingly can do no wrong. In fact, the Ryan Brothers seem to have hired themselves. Come on, Bill. In every industry people are hired because they have existing relationships with someone in an organization. Marrone was a bad hire in retrospect but he wasn't a "crony" hire. The cries of cronyism regarding Brandon are misguided. Whaley is no sacred cow, but what exactly do you want to do? Kick him to the curb and start all over again? Hasn't he brought a lot of talent to this roster? Bills fans are the best and worst fans. We would all do ourselves a favor to step out of the TSW world and actually go talk to people in other areas who are fans of other teams. They don't have nearly the jaded perception of what is going on in Buffalo that many of us do.
Bill from NYC Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 Come on, Bill. In every industry people are hired because they have existing relationships with someone in an organization. Marrone was a bad hire in retrospect but he wasn't a "crony" hire. The cries of cronyism regarding Brandon are misguided.Here, I am sure we can agree to disagree.
Billsmovinup Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 That the same Jeff Luria who hired Chip Kelly? I'm sure every decision you've made in your life was the right one. Congrats. Your the world's first perfect human since Jesus. How does it feel?
Bill from NYC Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 Whaley is no sacred cow, but what exactly do you want to do? Kick him to the curb and start all over again? Hasn't he brought a lot of talent to this roster? Bills fans are the best and worst fans. We would all do ourselves a favor to step out of the TSW world and actually go talk to people in other areas who are fans of other teams. They don't have nearly the jaded perception of what is going on in Buffalo that many of us do. As Bills Fans, we have been losing for a long time. Kids were born and now getting their drivers licenses since we have made the playoffs. This leads us (imo) to rally around some Bills players/staff (in this case Whaley) who don't completely suck. People still think Whitner wasn't a bust because he was "good." Spiller still has people here who think he can play. EJ MANUEL has fans here who wish he was the starter!!! Our perception IS more jaded than those outside of here, this is true but I will say this.....around these parts, football fans really do know that Ryan is a mess who will take this team down the toilet and like I said, he didn't hire himself.
Manther Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 Maddog Sport morning NFL weekly is a great listen if anyone has Sirius. Topic on Marrone was suppose to be 10 minutes but lasted almost 45 minutes. Major reason for not being hired VERY combative with General Managers and "disliked" by players everywhere. Buffalo's GM is said to put the word out about him. They are saying that Dareus and Woods got into Marrone's face when he degraded Hughes in practice one day. Zimmerman called him a huge cancer. Said it was a dream come true in Buffalo upper management to get rid of this guy at any cost! All said that if Marrone is not hired this season then he should head back to college ranks. Zimmerman even said that his trust and credibility is so bad that Eagles owner Jeffery Lurie stated that the only way he would consider Marrone is if he would sign a deal where pay is based on his ability to preform, coach, and his ability to get along with management/players (Yuck). Also it was said Eagles were the ONLY team to take a serious look at Marrone because he is unproven and hated by staff/players in Buffalo. Buffalos D was mostly in place before he arrived and had nothing to do with Buffalo's D anyways. Bottom line, they went off on topic by saying the guy is a proven micro manager and cancer. Good luck Mr Marrone..... Awesome!!!!! To be honest the only poster I remember not liking Marrone was a guy that referred to him as "Greggo" because it would be us two constantly in battle with the Marrone is "changing the culture", he is a good head coach narrative...until he quit anyways... I didn't like Marrone and was vocal about it on here long before he quit!!Again as I said, it's a credit to Sexton that he was getting HC'ing interviews when he hasn't even shown himself to be a decent OL coach, much less OC, much much less HC. Or ever calls plays on game day! I don't think HC should calls play, but, I do think they should have experience to help teach and work with their OC and DC. Its pretty easy to talk in hypotheticals...it was just as, if not more likely that the following happened: 1) EJ was the full-time starter 2) The OL further regressed -- no Incognito 3) No Shady 4) Sammy becomes a serious malcontent 5) Jerry Hughes does not re-sign 6) D ebbs back a bit all equal 6-10 and house is cleaned... Probably close. I think there would have been a QB competition though.
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 Sure if you want to do nothing for the rest of your life which many would be fine with, even then at his age at 4.5% per year not going to last him all his life.. But he wants to be a coach, if what you're implying is true he wouldn't be out interviewing. From that standpoint, what he did by quitting in hindsight was career suicide. Heh. $1.8M after taxes, 4.5% cut is $81,000. Plenty of folks on this board (and across WNY) would like to live for the rest of their lives on $81,000 a year. Plus if he had smart investment advice he shoulda kept more.
Manther Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 I don't think they pulled the wool over our eyes. I think Marrone pulled the wool over Mgmt's eyes. They thought they were getting something that Marrone did not turn out to be. Agreed! Interesting because I think Rex did too. I can only guess, but, when coaches interviews say I am going to do A, B and C does our management team say how? Ask any specifics, plans, routines or ask them to explain? Doesn't seem like it.
Chandler#81 Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 Bills fans are the best and worst fans. We would all do ourselves a favor to step out of the TSW world and actually go talk to people in other areas who are fans of other teams. They don't have nearly the jaded perception of what is going on in Buffalo that many of us do. Perhaps, but none of them know the gut-wrenching 'norm' of no playoffs in 16 years. Jaded comes with this territory.
Niagara Dude Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 But, but... 9-7! The last game NE was not trying, so more like 8-8
eball Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 As Bills Fans, we have been losing for a long time. Kids were born and now getting their drivers licenses since we have made the playoffs. This leads us (imo) to rally around some Bills players/staff (in this case Whaley) who don't completely suck. People still think Whitner wasn't a bust because he was "good." Spiller still has people here who think he can play. EJ MANUEL has fans here who wish he was the starter!!! Our perception IS more jaded than those outside of here, this is true but I will say this.....around these parts, football fans really do know that Ryan is a mess who will take this team down the toilet and like I said, he didn't hire himself. On this we definitely have to agree to disagree. This past season Ryan did things that I like and things I did not like. It is unfair to place 100% of the blame upon him for what happened with the Jets, and unfair to place 100% of the blame on him for the "failure" of an 8-8 season in Buffalo. 16 years of losing have given a lot of folks a quick trigger finger. I'm as frustrated as anyone, but you've got to give people more than one season.
Mr. WEO Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) How do you know he wasn't? Same way you know that it wasn't Marrone in NO, it was "all Peyton". Edited January 19, 2016 by Mr. WEO
DC Tom Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/01/19/nfl-head-coach-interviews-the-mmqb-jenny-vrentas Article on the head coaching interview process. I'm posting it here because at this point it's apparently the closest Marrone is ever going to get to it.
GunnerBill Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 I was in favour of keeping Marrone if he wished to stay. I am, usually, a fan of consistency and staying the course and I think on the back of a 9-7 season (save your arguments about the NE game I am not interested - I value that win more than beating the Dallas 3rd team in week 16 this year.... there are games like this every season in the NFL we as fans don't get to choose which wins count) he had earned the right to continue if he wished to. But the Pegulas were right not to cede to his requests for more power or a contract extension for him and his staff. What would have happened this year? It is all hypothetical - could I have seen us taking a step back given there would have been a huge ? at Quarterback? Sure. However, we had an easy schedule... we played two terrible divisions.... could I have seen us riding that to the play-offs on the back of a stellar defense? Sure. Ultimately we just don't know. Come the end of year 3 I might well have felt it was time to move Marrone on. A for his personality..... he was a bit of an ass and I felt that from day 1 - but that does not a bad Head football Coach make. The Rams hated Vermeil's hard ass act for 2 years.... but he was trying to turn around a programme of failure and the Giants detested Coughlin for two years. I have had the experience as a Head Coach in semi-pro soccer of taking over a failing programme and turning it round. I was an ass for the first 18 months I did that too. I got rid of good players because they didn't adhere. I made it clear it was going to be my way or the highway. I lightened up after 18 months and we got the thing turned around - but I don't think I would have done had it not been for those first 18 months. Turning around losing culture is difficult and if you start soft then underachieving players thing "here is an easy ride" and they check out and then it is too late. Start hard. You can always get softer as you go.... the other way round is impossible. I am a little surprised he didn't get a job this off-season. I think he is a better Head Coach than people who got hired... but do I understand why owners might want to shy away from that personality when ultimately he didn't see it through to prove the methods work in Buffalo? Sure I do. Had he stayed, taken us to the play-offs in year 3 and maybe say won a play-off game and then opted out his personality would not stop him getting jobs. I 100% guarantee it.
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